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And so it begins....Fox News says NIU gunman, like VTech gunman "bought guns on the internet".
Cavuto on Fox | 15 FEB 08 | dcbryan1

Posted on 02/15/2008 1:51:19 PM PST by DCBryan1

Sometimes I think my teenage neice is a better researcher, journalist, and patriot than even...gasp...fox news commentators.

I just heard Neil Cavuto "confirm" that new updates were coming in that the NIU gunman had "legally bought his weapons and accessories from the internet". In addition , Cavuto specifically mentioned high-capacity "clips" (NOTE: THEY ARE CALLED MAGAZINES) and a "glock holster" from the same online retail gun dealer that the nut at V Tech used.

However, with 5 minutes of searching on the internet, or even a phone call to a local gunstore (with an FFL) any "journalist" can find that:
1) All firearms "bought on the internet" are held by an retail gunstore or distributor (with an FFL).


2) All firearms are transfered, tax free, to the FFL in which the buyer is a legal resident after the transaction is completed.


3) The firearm is then transfered to the citizen at the FFL in his/her own state of residence after filling out an inspid form 4473 and a call to NICS.
4) After this, I believe, in Illinois, you have to have a certain "permit" to even take possession.

Anyways, I am digressing...What the truth is really does fly in the face of what the local, regional, cable, and alphabet networks want you to belive: that guns (and evil magazines) can be bought and delivered to madmen at the click of a mouse.

.../rant off...


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You knew it was coming. The politicians fly in, the civilian "leadership" jumps in front of the microphones, and the bodies of the victims are not yet in the ground. The anti-gun hysteria that replicates like a virus after a bloodbath by a lone nut, one day, may be just the thing that leads to a draconian law, or worse yet, a subtle paragraph surrepticiously entered into a thousand page bill.
1 posted on 02/15/2008 1:51:21 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: Vaquero; Joe Brower
ping

BANG!

2 posted on 02/15/2008 1:54:19 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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To: DCBryan1

“But, was he driving a white Bronco? Dear GOD, tell me he was driving a white Bronco!!”

( /Greta-voice)


3 posted on 02/15/2008 1:54:34 PM PST by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: DCBryan1
And as every Freeper will say:

If only one other student had been armed, the number of deaths would have been minimized.

A "GUN FREE ZONE" is once again responsible for the deaths of multiple people.

When are the stupid people going to learn?

4 posted on 02/15/2008 1:54:51 PM PST by Hunble
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To: DCBryan1

Well at least Geraldo never had time to pick some guy at random on the internet and claim he was the shooter.

FoxNews is just as bad....no I take that back. FoxNews is worse then CNN et al because FoxNews should know better.


5 posted on 02/15/2008 1:55:34 PM PST by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: DCBryan1
UPDATE: Owner Eric Thompson from www.topglock.com on the phone now.

Both murderers bought magazines from the affiliates of Eric Thompson.

6 posted on 02/15/2008 1:56:13 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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To: DCBryan1

Disgusting. I wish it was that easy to buy a gun on the net. I’d have a nice MP-5 sitting in the closet!


7 posted on 02/15/2008 1:56:59 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Hunble
A "GUN FREE ZONE" is once again responsible for the deaths of multiple people.

Illinois is pretty much a "gun free" state. You can own guns here, you just can't carry them.

8 posted on 02/15/2008 1:57:47 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Hunble
Correction - Law abiding citizens can't carry them, it doesn't slow down the criminals that it's illegal.
9 posted on 02/15/2008 1:59:27 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: DCBryan1

This is interesting. I live near DeKalb and my wife works there. This morning on a local news broadcast (out of Rockford) a federal agent confirmed two of the four guns were purchased legally and picked up on February 9th. Illinois having a 5 day waiting period, that means he purchased them no later than February 4th. As to the other two pistols (one of the two guns already mentioned was a Remington 870 pump shotgun), they had no information at the time but were still investigating. Yes, Illinois requires a FOID (Firearm Owner ID) card issued by the state for any and all firearm/ammunition purchases.

In addition, the news conference brought up the gunman was on ‘medication’ although they would not speculate as to what medication, and that they had evidence he’d been off these meds for a couple weeks and was acting erratically. That couple week timeframe would coincide with the gun purchase.

The four guns were: 1) Remington 870; 2) Glock 9mm; 3) Sig Saur 9mm; 4) Other 380 semi-auto (not defined).


10 posted on 02/15/2008 1:59:37 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: DCBryan1
Did dumbas= cavuto say where he bought his drugs and if they were illegal.
11 posted on 02/15/2008 2:01:24 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: DCBryan1

I don’t care-

When they come to expand my freedoms and take my guns “for the collective good,” in some bold living document interpretation of what the Constitution means, I’ll say they were stolen or lost. Screw it, maybe it’s time to move to some other place where a bunch of pole smoking, tree hugging, atheist, pinko, bedwetters, DON’T run the show.


12 posted on 02/15/2008 2:02:09 PM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: DCBryan1
4) After this, I believe, in Illinois, you have to have a certain "permit" to even take possession.

Correct. Firearm Owner's Identification card, or FOID. The state issues these after a standard background check. You can't even handle a gun in a store or buy ammunition without one.

13 posted on 02/15/2008 2:02:18 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: DCBryan1
Incidents like this always bring to mind my 1964 speech class where a student brought his shotgun as a audio visual aid for his talk. No one in my class had any reason to be frightened. I as a 16 year old girl, raised on a farm in rural Iowa thought very little of it at the time. After all, I had been going hunting with my dad since I was little and there were always guns in the house.

Of course nobody grabbed a gun and pointed it at anyone for sport. We had common sense back then.

My question is, what makes society so different that you are allowed to do this sort of thing as long as you can claim you are off your medication or crazy? There is always an excuse for this behavior. We had mentally ill people back then, but this sort of thing did not happen when guns were readily available to everyone.

The only answer can be that everyone having guns was a deterent.

14 posted on 02/15/2008 2:03:16 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: DCBryan1

To me the story is that the gunman was yet another apparent psychiatric patient that went off his meds.


15 posted on 02/15/2008 2:05:22 PM PST by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: Graybeard58
Illinois is pretty much a "gun free" state. You can own guns here, you just can't carry them.

Of course you can. You just can't carry them concealed and/or loaded. They must be unloaded and in a proper carrying case. How else would hunters hunt?

But I'm sure you were referring to concealed carry. It's sad the state doesn't allow this. The wife and I agreed this a.m. that had one or more of the students/instructors been allowed to 'carry', the carnage may well have been far less.

BTW, one of my wife's employees is a teacher associate at NIU, and a friend of the instructor of the class. She related to my wife last night that the gunman chased her friend off the stage and shot him in the arm. He's going to be alright.

16 posted on 02/15/2008 2:05:57 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: Hunble
When are the stupid people going to learn?

Stupid=not able to learn
Not able to learn=stupid
Stupid people cannot learn

17 posted on 02/15/2008 2:07:52 PM PST by jcparks (Claire, Its time)
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To: Tallguy
To me the story is that the gunman was yet another apparent psychiatric patient that went off his meds.

I was wondering about this this morning while listening to the NIU news conference. We hear a lot about how these 'crazies' are off some medication or another. What I wondered was, is it the fact they've gone off the medication allowing them to return to their pre-medicated state, or that the drugs alter their mental state to such a degree that when removed they no longer have the cognitive skills necessary to function?

18 posted on 02/15/2008 2:10:01 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: DCBryan1

I guess the GUN FREE ZONE didn’t stop him? sac/


19 posted on 02/15/2008 2:12:44 PM PST by Halo-JM
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To: w1andsodidwe

Interesting. About that same year, 1965, we would all bring our firearms to our school and store them in our jacket/book lockers during class day then haul them to firearms training at the school after classes.


20 posted on 02/15/2008 2:13:01 PM PST by HD1200
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To: DCBryan1

They are discussing right now the fact that the gunman had been “off his medication” and “acting strangely” for the past two weeks. Why didn’t someone do something about it?


21 posted on 02/15/2008 2:13:17 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Tallguy

“To me the story is that the gunman was yet another apparent psychiatric patient that went off his meds.”

Fair enough ... except that’s not a much better story than “the madman bought his guns off the Internet!” Tell me, do you really want Our Friendly Government *mandating* that you must take your prescribed meds, with the option to lock you up if you don’t?

It’s all for your own good, you know....


22 posted on 02/15/2008 2:13:19 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (Anybody but Hillary, Obama AND Huckabee. Hold your nose, get your barf bag and vote McCain.)
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To: DCBryan1
I agree!!

What I hate worst is the utter meatheaded ignorance of people like Cavuto. It is a willful ignorance. Bet that the true explanation of the dealer about 'clips' and a holster not being restricted went in one ear and out the other and Cavuto could care less.

23 posted on 02/15/2008 2:13:44 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: bcsco

I think medicated citizens are the problem. Not responsible gun owners. The medication alters judgement. When the medicated chooses to get their personality back, the medication addiction shatters their personality and they lose control.

Next line on the federal firearms form will ask what prescribed medications the applicant is taking. Now it only asks if the applicant is or has used illegal drugs.
But now if we had government health care, a simple background check of medical records could provide that tidbit.
Another reason NOT to support government healthcare.


24 posted on 02/15/2008 2:15:40 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
Tell me, do you really want Our Friendly Government *mandating* that you must take your prescribed meds, with the option to lock you up if you don’t?

Of course not. It's just that the Media has an anti-gun fetish that they feed at every opportunity. It makes about as much sense to question the drug angle. That's all I'm sayin'.

One of the proposals thrown out there after the VT shootings was to add mental patients to the list of those barred from purchasing a fire arm. Of course every person that was sent to some mandatory counseling would be so classified by our friendly-neighborhood database keepers, err goverment.

25 posted on 02/15/2008 2:20:17 PM PST by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: DCBryan1

I emailed cavuto on that subject two minutes after he said it.

I have yet to hear back from him..Not holding my breath.


26 posted on 02/15/2008 2:20:38 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: o_zarkman44
I think medicated citizens are the problem. Not responsible gun owners. The medication alters judgement.

Careful here. I'm a licensed gun owner and a medicated citizen. But my medications (issued through the VA) aren't mind altering or for psychological issues. They're for heart problems, blood pressure, cholesterol, stroke. But simply saying medicated citizens are the problem is painting with too broad a brush.

Being issued through the VA, my medications ARE part of a government database. Yet I have no problem obtaining my FOID renewals.

27 posted on 02/15/2008 2:21:45 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: bcsco
As I pilot, I have a rather interesting twist:

All my life, I have had "ups and downs" and a rather common medication helps to stabilize how I react to the world. While on this medication, things do not bother me.

Without the medication, I may get depressed and do something very stupid.

As a pilot, I am not allowed to take this medication!

So, thanks to the FAA, you will never know if this pilot may get depressed and do something very stupid.

Just like the "Gun Free Zones", the government has created a situation which is the exact opposite of what was intended.

28 posted on 02/15/2008 2:21:48 PM PST by Hunble
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To: bcsco
Being issued through the VA, my medications ARE part of a government database.

There's nothing so permanent or resistent to change as a government database.

29 posted on 02/15/2008 2:25:02 PM PST by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: Hunble

How do you deal with the dichotomy? I would infer that you don’t take the medication. If so, do you have a course of action should you have these “ups and downs” when scheduled for flight?


30 posted on 02/15/2008 2:27:56 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: bcsco
I do not take the medication, since that is the only way that I can pass a flight examination every two years.

Obviously, this is a great example of the FAA doing the exact opposite of what they intended.

31 posted on 02/15/2008 2:30:57 PM PST by Hunble
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To: DCBryan1

So what? Guns are available.

Let’s talk about lawyers and doctors and laws that prevent people who are mentally ill from being locked up. These things happened occasionally in the thirties forties and fifities, but we locked up many people who were mi intead of relying on chemical strait jacket that they do not want to take.


32 posted on 02/15/2008 2:31:28 PM PST by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: Tallguy
There's nothing so permanent or resistent to change as a government database.

Permanent, yes. Not sure what you mean by 'resistant to change'. If you mean the VA isn't reactive to my needs you'd be mistaken. I have a better regard for my VA physician than I do with my family doctor.

33 posted on 02/15/2008 2:31:34 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: Hunble
Obviously, this is a great example of the FAA doing the exact opposite of what they intended.

Obviously.

34 posted on 02/15/2008 2:32:49 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: DCBryan1
I'll bet the shooter was using SSRIs

35 posted on 02/15/2008 2:33:03 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: bcsco
Of course you can. You just can't carry them concealed and/or loaded. They must be unloaded and in a proper carrying case. How else would hunters hunt?

But I'm sure you were referring to concealed carry.

If you knew what I was referring to, why would you take issue with my statement?

Now, I'll take issue with yours, since you started the pickiness. My son is an Illinois resident and carries a concealed hand gun anytime he wants to and does so legally.

36 posted on 02/15/2008 2:33:22 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: DCBryan1
the NIU gunman had "legally bought his weapons and accessories from the internet". ... from the same online retail gun dealer that the nut at V Tech used.

BTW, this 'link' between the NIU and VT murderers is the LEAD STORY on the Fox radio network's top-of-the-hour newscasts.

37 posted on 02/15/2008 2:34:20 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Graybeard58
My son is an Illinois resident and carries a concealed hand gun anytime he wants to and does so legally.

I'm sorry I came off as picky. I didn't mean to be. I was simply trying to clarify the situation. But I wonder how your son can concealed carry? To my knowledge it's not available to the average citizen.

38 posted on 02/15/2008 2:35:14 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: DCBryan1
guns can be bought and delivered to madmen at the click of a mouse

From a webstore near you, to my printer, paid for via PayPal. Folding instructions included!

Or there is this free instructional video on how to make a gun at home:

watch here

Remember: A gun, is a gun, is a gun! Doesn't matter what size it is; if it is made of quality steel or cheap plastic, pencil lines on paper...or even a 'cocked' human hand.

To a Lib, this equals this

39 posted on 02/15/2008 2:36:36 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If Liberalism doesn't kill me, I'll live 'till I die!)
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To: Tallguy
To me the story is that the gunman was yet another apparent psychiatric patient that went off his meds.

The real question is...what was his DU screen name? Add it up...a Soc major - is there anyone in any Soc program that isn't a raving moonbat? - and a 'former student' (i.e., another drop-out lefty, never finishing what they start), who apparently went off his meds. What's the second most discussed topic on DU, after "I HATE BushChimpyHalliHitler" ad nauseaum? Long, rambling discussions about their meds. I would make tons of money betting, after hearing about a killing rampage, that the killer is A) a Muzzie, B) a lefty moonbat, or C) a Hoodie. Killers who aren't in those three categories are pretty rare - which might explain Greta's obsession with those cases, thinking that rarity = newsworthiness.

40 posted on 02/15/2008 2:38:25 PM PST by TrueKnightGalahad (When you're racing...it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.)
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To: bcsco
My congratulations bcsco!

when removed they no longer have the cognitive skills necessary to function?

I believe you've touched on a core issue that the drug
companies, along with certain elements of the medical and
psychiatric professions, do NOT want to have a discussion about... HARM.

It may just be that MANY meds have the same effect on the mind/body when used constantly as to what happens to those that must use Crack or Cocaine, or even alcohol, which is legal. Constant or extensive use, and/or sudden abstinence, tends to produce very irrational behavior.

41 posted on 02/15/2008 2:39:16 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: bcsco

My apologies to you for being a little testy.

My son is a cop, he can legally carry concealed and believes as many cops do that that right should extend to every law abiding citizen.

He’s also an Iraq war veteran and I went with him recently to the V.A. clinic in Danville, Illinois. Big sign on the door “No guns allowed”, he left his in the glove compartment.


42 posted on 02/15/2008 2:41:26 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Hunble
When are the stupid people going to learn?

The stupid people will never learn, the question is when will we get the EVIL people out of office?

43 posted on 02/15/2008 2:43:17 PM PST by logic (All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing...)
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To: DCBryan1

I want to know who sold this guy his Prozac, and if they were qualified to make that kind of decision. Why didn’t he have to register his Prozac, and notify proper federal authorities when he quit taking it? Until we get antidepressant drugs under control, the kooks who don’t use them right will use guns to hurt people. It’s a travesty.


44 posted on 02/15/2008 2:45:31 PM PST by pallis
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To: Graybeard58
My son is a cop, he can legally carry concealed and believes as many cops do...

Now I understand. I'm close to a number of police officers including the DeKalb County Sheriff. One is a SWAT officer in the tri-county area west of Chicago. They feel the same way.

In fact, since I can't hunt anymore due to health reasons, I gave my guns (except for a .357) to the 9 y.o. son of that SWAT officer. The young lad is turning into a fine hunter (under his dad's control, of course).

45 posted on 02/15/2008 2:47:00 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: Red6
When they come to expand my freedoms and take my guns.....

They will not come and knock on the door and ask nicely, you will be handcuffed on the ground with your family beside you (hopefully none of you bleeding to death from gunshot wounds) while they destroy the entire property at 02:00 looking for everything they think you might have...

46 posted on 02/15/2008 2:48:17 PM PST by logic (All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing...)
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To: VideoDoctor
It may just be that MANY meds have the same effect on the mind/body when used constantly as to what happens to those that must use Crack or Cocaine, or even alcohol, which is legal.

I'm no statistician, nor have access to data that would show how many of these tragedies were caused by shooters who'd stopped taking medication. But I know it's not an uncommon theme. Instead of targeting the gun and gun owners, if society wants to do something meaningful, this is an area that should be addressed.

47 posted on 02/15/2008 2:49:17 PM PST by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: w1andsodidwe
The only answer can be that everyone having guns was a deterent.

As you said, you have common sense, an extremely rare gift these days.....

48 posted on 02/15/2008 2:50:23 PM PST by logic (All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing...)
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To: Old Sarge

What’s worse... Greta-voice... or Greta-face?


49 posted on 02/15/2008 2:51:18 PM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: pallis

My question is:

If this joker was on psychotropic meds, how did he get the FOID in the fist place?

Oh, I forgot, he was a sociology major, and liberals dont have to tell the truth....my bad.


50 posted on 02/15/2008 2:55:19 PM PST by Concho (IRS--Americas real terrorist organization.)
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