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Inquiry: Anti-tank rockets caused blast [at N.C. Scrap Yard]
The News and Observer ^ | 14 Feb 2008 | Lorenzo Perez

Posted on 02/15/2008 2:45:26 PM PST by The Pack Knight

RALEIGH - The explosion that injured two workers at a Raleigh scrap metal yard Tuesday morning has been traced to a collection of anti-tank rockets and projectiles mixed into a pile of debris dropped off at the Garner Road facility Feb. 7.

A Fort Bragg explosive ordnance disposal unit will resume detonating ammunition today, keeping a largely industrial stretch of Garner Road blocked off for at least a third day. Residents forced from their homes by the methodical detonations were allowed to return temporarily Wednesday night but were told they'd have to leave again by 8 a.m. today.

It's not clear how long the disposal will take, said Raleigh police spokesman Jim Sughrue. It's possible that some live ammunition was already compacted into bales, which the Army unit will have to pick apart carefully, Sughrue said.

By Wednesday afternoon, the Fort Bragg team had destroyed three 90-mm anti-tank rounds and 13 projectiles for AT-4s, portable anti-tank weapons, Fort Bragg spokesman Tom McCollum said. The team also had identified at least five more anti-tank rounds at the Raleigh Metals Processors plant that required detonating.

The fuses on the ordnance did not appear to be armed, McCollum said, although compacting it with other scrap metal could result in the type of explosion that occurred Tuesday morning.

Raleigh Metals Processors has identified the people who turned in the military ordnance along with other materials for recycling and gave their names to Raleigh police and military and federal investigators, Greg Brown, the company's CEO, said Wednesday. Brown would not disclose the names.

Brown said it was unclear why employees did not identify the live ammunition and safely separate it from the other debris. The company is not supposed to accept live ammunition, he said, though it does buy spent shells. Workers are trained to sort through scrap metal brought to the center by individuals and companies.

"I don't know how these were viewed as not being munitions," Brown said. "We clearly need to have some type of reinforced training."

Raleigh Metals Processors regularly compacts scrap metal into bales, which are then sold to steel companies and others. On Tuesday morning, some of the ammunition exploded as workers began feeding it into a baler.

Two workers were injured. One, Adrian Bravo, 27, was in good condition Wednesday at WakeMed Raleigh Campus, Brown said. The other, Isai Bravo Santiago, 33, complained of ringing in his ears and was taken to WakeMed and later discharged.

It's rare for anti-tank shells to show up at a scrap metal center, said Maj. Mark Krussow, operations officer for the 52nd Ordnance Group at Fort Gillem in Georgia.

"That's not necessarily a high-octane, super lot of explosives in those projectiles," Krussow said of the ordnance found in Raleigh. "But they are unusual to find in a metal processing plant."

Nearly a mile of Garner Road near the plant was closed to through traffic again Wednesday, from Rush Street to Newcombe Road. Police and military investigators set up their command center across the street from the scrap metal yard at the Garner Road YMCA.

Crisscrossing the street in a golf cart, members of the Fort Bragg detonation team set off six detonations beginning after 11 p.m. Tuesday. They resumed about 10:40 a.m. Wednesday. With each detonation, onlookers could see black smoke and debris that soared above the scrap yard before landing with a loud smacks that could be heard a block away.

Fire in the hole

The unit detonated rounds one by one, placing them in a small pit dug into a back lot. Metal bins surrounded the pit to ensure that any fragments shot straight up rather than laterally.

Residents at a nearby apartment complex were evacuated starting Tuesday evening, and six residents spent the night at Garner United Methodist Church, where the American Red Cross opened a shelter. Residents living as far away as East Martin Street in downtown Raleigh reported hearing Tuesday night's blasts, which continued past 2 a.m. Wednesday.

Closer to the blast zone, residents of Park Creek Apartments less than a block from the metals plant said they were caught off guard by the explosions overnight. "It was boom, shaking the whole house!" said Jakwon Hawkins, 18, as he emerged from his apartment Wednesday morning with his father, Richard Massenburg.

"You knew something was happening, but they didn't let us know it was going to be continuous bombshells like that," Massenburg said. "Our whole building shook."

Raleigh police worked with Wake County schools to set up alternate bus stops for families with children who attend Timber Drive Elementary in Garner and other area schools, though not everyone got the word. Beverly Bonds, another Park Creek Apartments resident, said she ended up driving her neighbor's children to school Wednesday morning.

"How we found out that the bombs were going to go off was on the news," Bonds said. "We saw them evacuating Biltmore Hills [apartments] on the news. Nobody came around and told us nothing."

Sughrue, the Raleigh police spokesman, said that the department used an automated phone system to notify everyone within a one-mile radius of the plant and that patrol officers also contacted area residents in person.

"I can't tell you that every door there was addressed," he said. "Obviously if we missed somebody and somebody didn't get the word, that was not our intent."

(Staff writer Sam LaGrone contributed to this report.)


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: army; northcarolina; wot
Raleigh Metals Processors has identified the people who turned in the military ordnance along with other materials for recycling and gave their names to Raleigh police and military and federal investigators, Greg Brown, the company's CEO, said Wednesday. Brown would not disclose the names.......

It's rare for anti-tank shells to show up at a scrap metal center, said Maj. Mark Krussow, operations officer for the 52nd Ordnance Group at Fort Gillem in Georgia.

I should hope so! This is hardly the time to have explosives floating around. Someone had better be on top of this.

The last thing we need is for terrorists to be able to sneak in to the U.S. unarmed and procure all the materials they need to make IEDs right here, just because someone at Bragg is asleep oat his post.

1 posted on 02/15/2008 2:45:29 PM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: The Pack Knight
Don’t assume it came from Bragg. You would not believe some of the crap that has turned up at gun buy backs. Seems like there is a lot of stuff floating around. War souvenirs, black market crap, guy has a collection that gets stolden, all sorts of stuff out there that should scare the crap out of people.
2 posted on 02/15/2008 2:52:37 PM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: The Pack Knight
"That's not necessarily a high-octane, super lot of explosives in those projectiles," Krussow said"

Oh, just enough to blow up a tank.

3 posted on 02/15/2008 2:57:10 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: The Pack Knight
It gets better -

From WRAL

Brothers Detained in Scrap Plant Ammo Case

Sanford — Two brothers have been detained in connection with the discovery of military explosives at a Raleigh scrap metal recycling plant, authorities said Friday.

Javier Gomez-Urieta and Salvador Gomez-Urieta were arrested Tuesday on immigration violations and were being held for questioning in munitions case by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, said Capt. David Smith, of the Sanford Police Department.

4 posted on 02/15/2008 2:57:19 PM PST by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: NCjim
And...

Members of the Sanford Police Department's Special Enforcement Unit searched a mobile home at 2725 Carver Drive in Sanford and found artillery shells in the yard similar to the ones that were dropped off at Raleigh Metals Recycling plant, Smith said. Most of the shells were spent, but at least two were live rounds, he said.

5 posted on 02/15/2008 2:58:15 PM PST by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: The Pack Knight

Someone threw away a perfecty good anti-tank shell? You know, in China there are starving children that have to take good tanks apart by hand.


6 posted on 02/15/2008 2:59:56 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: MNJohnnie
That's true. It could have come from anywhere. I just used Bragg as a likely example of where it might have come from.

The article isn't very clear on the state of the rockets, either, such as whether they were still loaded in their tubes, whether the explosives were the propellant, the warhead, or both, and whether there was any chance they could be armed. They could be anything from unexploded ordinance to functional weapons. The EOD guys seemed to suggest that they weren't intact, but it's hard to tell if he was being candid or just trying to prevent a panic.

Anything's dangerous, but if they were in any condition to be repaired and launched, there's no telling what they could be used for. For example, an AT-4 should be more than enough to penetrate an armored limo, such as the one the President rides.
7 posted on 02/15/2008 3:02:34 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: domenad
Nobody came around and told us nothing.
8 posted on 02/15/2008 3:02:49 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagon)
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To: The Pack Knight

Around 1:05pm this afternoon I heard/felt 3 explosions in Cary.
I’m about 5-6 miles from the scrap yard. Wonder if that was the ordinance.

From witnessing a live training fire at Ft. Bragg, I can imagine the amount of spent shells behind the tank firing range.

Of course getting them would require several miles of sneaking into Ft. Bragg and carrying them out.

But then illegals sneaked into the US and traversed about 1000 miles to get to Sanford, NC.


9 posted on 02/15/2008 3:20:44 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: The Pack Knight

10 posted on 02/15/2008 3:24:39 PM PST by Dumpster Baby (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: NCjim

Nothing all that new here - Mexican scrap - pickers get kiled all the time sneaking on the Yuma Range Complex looking for metals. Between UXO and live fire, it ain’t a safe place to scrap-pick.....

Brass seems to be like gold in some areas.


11 posted on 02/15/2008 3:24:46 PM PST by ASOC
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To: Squantos

EOD ping


12 posted on 02/15/2008 3:27:05 PM PST by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: The Pack Knight
three 90-mm anti-tank rounds

Are they talking about the old 90-mm recoilless rifle? I thought that was retired long ago.

The AT-4 is only good against light targets, but could sure do some damage to a civilian target.

13 posted on 02/15/2008 3:39:17 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: 300winmag; Travis McGee; hiredhand

If this is 3rd day of the EOD’s effort that scrap yard has some explaining too do. Unless they are going through every nut, bolt and bumper .......

Hey HH did ya turn in those aluminum cans and copper ?;O)


14 posted on 02/15/2008 3:45:41 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos
Hey HH did ya turn in those aluminum cans and copper ?;O)

That place is only a couple of miles from where I work! :-) People at work were joking with me asking me if I had been there selling scrap...but I'm innocent! At least THIS time! :-)
15 posted on 02/15/2008 4:07:30 PM PST by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: hiredhand

LOL....we all had the same thought !

Too funny !......:o)


16 posted on 02/15/2008 4:13:32 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Yeah...WHAT is that about me? I must have an “aura” or something! :-)


17 posted on 02/15/2008 4:52:42 PM PST by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: hiredhand

Guilt by association with us is my bet !.......:o)


18 posted on 02/15/2008 4:56:28 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: colorado tanker

Could also be 90mm HE rounds or HEAT rounds. But they went out a long time ago, about thirty years ago.


19 posted on 02/15/2008 4:57:58 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Squantos

Yeah. :-) That’s PROBABLY it! :-)


20 posted on 02/15/2008 4:59:17 PM PST by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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