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Don't Blame Us For Berkeley/Toledo Attacks Against Marines Say Businesses
Newsbusters.org ^ | 02/16/08 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 02/16/2008 10:32:54 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus

You're all aware, I'm sure, of the several attacks against our fighting men and women perpetrated by city governments of late. The Berkeley City Council, who intended to try and kick Marine recruiting offices out of the city, and Toledo, where Mayor Finkbeiner refused to allow the Marines to exit a bus in his city when they arrived to start planned upon exercises, are all over the news. It is also well known that in Toledo, Ohio and Berkeley, California protesters for and against the Marines have been deployed to face each other and the news media have been there to chronicle it all. But, one paper has taken it upon itself to try and excuse the very people who put these ignorant politicians into office who caused these rows in the first place.

The Toledo Free Press published a recent article titled "Controversy over Marines rejection impacts city's development efforts", the main thrust of which is that people shouldn't blame the businesses of either Toledo or Berkeley for the actions of their politicians. But, after seeing all the whining about lost revenue by the business community in both cities and after seeing them plead with people not to blame them for what their politicians do, it left me wondering why shouldn't we hold voters accountable for what their politicians do?

The TFP detailed the fact that several projects from corporations and businesses outside the city that were considering investing in Toledo have begun to report that they are reconsidering their investments there because of the actions of Mayor Finkbeiner. For instance, Ward Brewer, CEO of a Florida based corporation that had intended to bring a multi-million dollar project to Toledo, is putting a hold on plans until the situation is resolved in the Marines' favor.

Brewer, during a phone conversation from his Florida office, said Finkbeiner's handling of the Feb. 8 incident was “inexcusable.” He said he would be speaking with “Marines,” which he declined to name, before issuing a final decision.

And Brewer isn't the only one.

Brewer is not alone in his sentiment, according to a Feb. 13 e-mail from Toledo Regional Chamber of Commerce President Mark V'Soske. The chamber received more than 60 e-mails and 30 phone calls Feb. 11 that addressed Finkbeiner's actions. Several of the individuals who called or wrote indicated they would change plans and not visit Toledo, V'Soske wrote in the e-mail, which was sent to the chamber's board members. Others said they would relocate their meetings or conventions from Toledo or boycott the city's businesses.

The Toledo Free Press also reported the moaning of Ted Garrett, CEO of the Berkeley Chamber of Commerce who said his office has been flooded with cancellations for the businesses in Berkeley since the City Council's stupidity made national headlines.

Garrett said his staff has since been explaining to responders that the Berkeley chamber's viewpoint is not the same as the city's elected representatives.

“Unfortunately what's happening is our businesses are being targeted as result of the city council's actions,” Garrett said during a Feb. 12 phone conversation.

Garrett said several Berkeley restaurants and hotels received an “unprecedented” number of cancellations after the council's Jan. 29 actions. Most callers and writers, he said, are blaming “everyone other than the person who's responsible” for the incident.

“This couldn't have come at a worse time,” Garrett said. “The economy is in the throes of a recession and this now just adds insult to injury.”

OK, it is true that the businesses in these two cities are hurting as a result of the disgusting actions against our soldiers by the two city governments. But, to a patriotic American, it would seem to be logical and just deserts for the denizens of those two places. Losing revenue and business is exactly the sort of retaliation that Americans specialize in when they find a business or city that violates good taste and patriotism. The power of the purse is a persuasive force as these whiny businessmen are discovering.

And what does the TFP try to hand us? Pity for the very people who voted these idiots into office! The TFP gives us the finger wagging warnings of Steve Weathers, the CEO of the Regional Growth Partnership of Toledo, who says that, "... Elected officials are just that -- elected. They do turn over." It's all as if we shouldn't blame the people of Toledo for what their politicians do and Weathers also wants us not to blame his Toledo businesses for what the city government does. But, who the heck puts them there? Who the heck has the power to control what these governments do if not the businesses and people who put these ignoramus politicians into office in the first place?

Then the TFP switches tracks and tries to shift the blame even farther from the politicians who attacked our armed forces personnel. The TFP shows us who is really at fault for all this. Why it's all those evil conservatives’ fault! They quote John K. Hartman, a journalism professor at Central Michigan University, to that effect.

"Basically, [conservatives] are looking for a distraction. They're looking for something to get their people fired up about to get them to forget the country is turning away from their point of view,” Hartman said.

Ah, so it isn't the unpatriotic politicians in office who actually were the ones that attacked the Marines, it's the fault of conservatives who have the gall to get upset by it! Simply amazing.

But here is the truth. If a city council does something stupid, it is absolutely the fault of the people who voted them into power. And it is completely legitimate for those who do not support the actions of the democratically elected politicians to step back and divest in the businesses in that city as a protest against their actions. It is a perfectly legitimate and peaceful solution to speak out against these cities by taking business elsewhere.

In this way, the people of these cities are feeling the pressure of their own votes. If the citizens of Berkeley and Toledo still firmly support the actions of their city leaders, why then they will be perfectly willing to deal with the financial loss that accompanies that decision. If, on the other hand, they do NOT support the politicians, why then they have the opportunity to use their power as voters and business leaders to force their politicians to listen to them and alter their policies against our armed forces.

But, stop the whining, will ya? There's no whining in business. And if you have the backbone to stand up and loudly proclaim that you hate our soldiers, well then stop being wimps and say so. On the other hand, if you want to be true, patriotic Americans, also stand up for that and force your politicians to do what YOU want them to do.

After all, politicians are supposed to listen to the voters, right? And the voters are ultimately responsible for what those politicians do. And the Toledo Free Press is out of line to suggest otherwise.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiwar; berkeley; toledo
Imagine... VOTERS actually having a say! Shocking, iddn it?
1 posted on 02/16/2008 10:33:01 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus
But, stop the whining, will ya? There's no whining in business. And if you have the backbone to stand up and loudly proclaim that you hate our soldiers, well then stop being wimps and say so. On the other hand, if you want to be true, patriotic Americans, also stand up for that and force your politicians to do what YOU want them to do.

Right on. Right on.

2 posted on 02/16/2008 10:44:38 AM PST by Faith
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Has anyone compiled a list of products that are made in Berkley CA?

It would be great to post a list so people could avoid buying them without having to check the fine print on everything.

3 posted on 02/16/2008 10:45:55 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Nothing would make me happier than seeing both these cities go bankrupt.


4 posted on 02/16/2008 10:47:16 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The problem that these businesses don’t address is that the business owners have been allowing this to go on for years by casting their votes for these elected officials.

When they start standing up and voting for change in Berkely, maybe someone might listen to them.


5 posted on 02/16/2008 10:47:26 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Beagle8U

I posted a list on one of the other threads about this.

Start with Glass Pro, APL Shipping, and Swatt & Assoc. AIA Architects.


6 posted on 02/16/2008 10:48:40 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Faith
“Unfortunately what's happening is our businesses are being targeted as result of the city council's actions,” Garrett said during a Feb. 12 phone conversation.

I wonder if they felt that way while they were divesting in South African businesses.

L

7 posted on 02/16/2008 10:49:49 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
OK Thanks. Those aren’t products or services I use but I’ll make a note of it.

I would go farther than companies wholly based in Berkley though.

If other major product companies have supplier plants in that city I would boycott them also until they move out or at least feel the pressure to never expand there.

8 posted on 02/16/2008 10:56:31 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

These same businesses undoubtedly gave political contributions to the subject leftwing wackos. Standard procedure for all vested interests is to comntribute [give tribute] to the incumbent.

On the average, the intelligent voting preference for good govrernment is to vote againt incumbents regardless if they are RINOs or leftwing wackjobs.


9 posted on 02/16/2008 10:57:14 AM PST by texican01
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Don't Blame Us For Berkeley/Toledo Attacks Against Marines Say Businesses

When you truck with the anti-American Left, don't be surprised when you crash with them too.

10 posted on 02/16/2008 11:00:14 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Beagle8U

There is no reason to go after the businesses in those cities, unless they were complicit in denying the Marines what was due them.

As in the case of Toledo, Ohio...the mayor acted strictly on his own, blaming everyone except himself for dissing the Marines. The whole deal was set up ahead of time with no argument from businesses or the Toledo Police Department. People in the area have welcomed the Marines and armed forces. The incident lies squarely on Mayor Carleton S. Finkbeiner’s shoulders and no one else’s.

Boycotting area businesses would serve mainly to hurt friends and relatives of currently serving troops.


11 posted on 02/16/2008 11:06:22 AM PST by madison10
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“Mayor Finkbeiner refused to allow the Marines to exit a bus in his city when they arrived to start planned upon exercises...”

Sounds like false imprisonment and a violation of their Constitutional rights to me.


12 posted on 02/16/2008 11:09:13 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Mobile Vulgus
The first step towards holding voters responsible is a little bit of sunshine. Voters should not have to cower behind a sheet like a Klans Man. We need to remember that we did not always have a secret ballot in this country. Every vote should be public record. Voters should be accountable for their decisions and set the example for those elected.
13 posted on 02/16/2008 11:09:44 AM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: Beagle8U

“Has anyone compiled a list of products that are made in Berkeley CA?”

Other than flatulence, not much.


14 posted on 02/16/2008 11:10:31 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: All

Too bad..

If your feeling the pinch because of a potential customer boycott.. then the Businesses need to put pressure on the city council to shut the **** up.

I would not shop in Berkeley now if you paid me until a full apology and a full PUBLIC retraction of the phrase Neither Wanted or Invited is issued. I blaim the city council but that means I also do not have to vist that city or shop there.


15 posted on 02/16/2008 11:13:01 AM PST by Kitanis
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To: Mobile Vulgus
if a city council does something stupid, it is absolutely the fault of the people who voted them into power.


16 posted on 02/16/2008 11:14:51 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: madison10

They were complicit. They voted for a douche bag.


17 posted on 02/16/2008 11:15:32 AM PST by Tiemieshooz (First round is on me)
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To: Beagle8U

The Chamber’s web site has a list of their members. Most are local so it’s not much that can be done with them unless you live near there. Two of their biggest sponsors appear to be Bayer and Wells Fargo Bank. Could be a good place to start - if they lose business across the country to support one group they might think twice.


18 posted on 02/16/2008 11:16:18 AM PST by hometoroost (...the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo)
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To: Tiemieshooz

Wait ‘til it happens in your “nick of the woods.” Then see how you feel about revenge taken on the wrong people, or on people who had no say.


19 posted on 02/16/2008 11:16:57 AM PST by madison10
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To: Beagle8U
Has anyone compiled a list of products that are made in Berkley CA? It would be great to post a list so people could avoid buying them without having to check the fine print on everything.

I'm starting a BOYCOTT BERKELEY ping list and I'll add you.

20 posted on 02/16/2008 11:17:28 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: madison10
The cops are part of the problem and deserve to be shamed. I saw a video clip of a smarmy Berkly cop refusing to enforce the law, saying he was neutral. Neutrality to the cops means standing around wacthing the law being broken?
21 posted on 02/16/2008 11:17:45 AM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: madison10

“Boycotting area businesses would serve mainly to hurt friends and relatives of currently serving troops.”

Which is true.. but madison.. its the old way to send a messgage to the cities that their actions affect the businesses in their districts which also affects their citizens.

Its about the only effective way to get a city governments attention. I am not even a ex-marine.. and this whole issue ticks me off.


22 posted on 02/16/2008 11:19:15 AM PST by Kitanis
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To: Drango

AMEN!


23 posted on 02/16/2008 11:20:04 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: madison10

They had no say? The wrong people? These are elected officials. Of course they had a say in the matter. And even if an owner of a business happened to vote for the loser, its a casualty of war. It happens. Boycotting is a tool, and a very effective one.


24 posted on 02/16/2008 11:21:14 AM PST by Tiemieshooz (First round is on me)
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To: madison10
“There is no reason to go after the businesses in those cities, unless they were complicit in denying the Marines what was due them.”

Sorry, Thats not how it works. If the business and employees of them allow A-holes like this to stay in office they are part of the problem.

If you cut their bottom line they will scream to those that can change it.

It sets an example to other cities for what not to do.

25 posted on 02/16/2008 11:21:17 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: All
Did any of you see the video on Fox News sometime this morning?

I only caught a quick glimpse but the police and Code Pink apparently had a dust up. If I caught it correctly, code pink had put signs on some buildings and refused to remove them. The cops got a little physical with them.

26 posted on 02/16/2008 11:22:08 AM PST by mware (Americans in arm chairs doing the job that the media refuses to do.)
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To: Beagle8U
Donuts, coffee and Vietnamese food are about all that is left in the Berkeley contribution to commerce. Oh and useless college grads.
27 posted on 02/16/2008 11:23:21 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Sorry, businesses, but you better keep this in mind the next time those pols come to you for a campaign contribution. And you better let your employees know that layoffs are just around the corner if the politicians they elect keep it up.
28 posted on 02/16/2008 11:23:29 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: hometoroost

“Two of their biggest sponsors appear to be Bayer and Wells Fargo Bank.”

Great place to start. Let those companies know they will be boycotted until they break all ties to Berkely.


29 posted on 02/16/2008 11:26:15 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Lurker

I am fed up with trying to be nice to the leftists, and their supporters, and the silent idiots that have allowed them to take over places like Berkeley, Boulder, Cambridge, and so on.

The chambers of commerce are just as much to blame for this treasonous and seditious conduct as the so-called moderate mooselimbs that cannot quite seem to speak out against the barbarous, inhumane actions of their brothers in islam.

The only way to deal with these scum ( the Code Pinks, the Berkeley City Council, the Boulder morons) is to kill them, and the more barbarous and inhumane the execution the better.

These folks claim to be in the right and protected by the First Amendment. They are traitors and have quite openly expressed their contempt for the U.S.A. So do you treat them as equals and grant them the rights of due process, which they will use against you, with the media as their lapdogs? Or do you just exterminate the cockroaches?

I think you know what my answer is. Enough of this. It’s time to get real and time for them to suffer conequences.


30 posted on 02/16/2008 11:26:28 AM PST by wavynavy (Tolerance is the virtue of a person who has no convictions.)
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To: All
Pro-Marine/Anti-Carty Finkbeiner Protesters, Toledo, Ohio
31 posted on 02/16/2008 11:27:18 AM PST by madison10
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To: Drango

OK, Thanks!


32 posted on 02/16/2008 11:27:20 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I guess a business owner could refuse to hire and Berkely Grads? ( I wouldn’t anyway ).


33 posted on 02/16/2008 11:30:56 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

I have in the past. Took Stanford over Cal. Not much better but I was making a statement.


34 posted on 02/16/2008 11:36:51 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Beagle8U

What does Berkeley make?

Berkeley makes conservatives mad.


35 posted on 02/16/2008 11:40:25 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: madison10

What is a “nick of the woods”?


36 posted on 02/16/2008 11:40:38 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Bill Clinton: Life Member of the Liars' Club.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
...why shouldn't we hold voters accountable for what their politicians do?

Indeed, if you run a business and don't support the clowns in your venue, be it state, city or hamlet, either move, or start selling to customers who support your clowns. This seems like such an obvious solution.

37 posted on 02/16/2008 12:10:04 PM PST by stevem
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