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Reno wows crowd ("My mother told me: 'Truth Is A Very Elusive target'")
The Daily Utah Chronicle ^ | 2/13/08 | Dustin Gardiner

Posted on 02/18/2008 6:41:57 PM PST by presidio9

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To: Uncle Miltie
"I quite agree. Attract them to Iraq and shoot them there."

That seemed to have worked well for a while. I think they've 'caught on' though.

51 posted on 02/18/2008 7:45:10 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: presidio9

Albright, Reno, Clinton, Carvalle, yep the insane aslyum was what he White House was turned into, during the Bubba years.

Lets hope we do not return to the Washington Aslyum countdown with Hillary bringing the cast back for another 4 year season.

52 posted on 02/18/2008 7:48:08 PM PST by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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To: exit82
I wish Elian Gonzales was a little more elusive as Reno’s “truth”. He’d be free today.

A tragedy. Elian is now a trapped soul. I hope he may breath free one day soon.

53 posted on 02/18/2008 7:50:43 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Locomotive Breath

That’s an interesting read on John McShortfuse. I’m not sure I agree with you though. This is the guy that teamed up with John F’in Kerry (who served in Vietnam) to shut down the POW/MIA investigations and silence the families of MIA’s.

54 posted on 02/18/2008 7:51:54 PM PST by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: presidio9

Did she have tunnel vision in Waco?

55 posted on 02/18/2008 7:53:14 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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“Reno ... said prosecutors often allow prejudices to skew their use of facts.”

Reno, of course, is speaking of her expertise.

56 posted on 02/18/2008 7:58:39 PM PST by eclecticEel (oh well, Hunter 2012 anyone?)
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To: presidio9
Former Attorney General Janet Reno said the U.S. government must be careful to avoid selectively using facts when prosecuting suspected terrorists.

Janet speaks from vast experience, look at the care she took not to prosecute Bill Clinton for any number of crimes.

57 posted on 02/18/2008 8:05:17 PM PST by RJL
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To: presidio9

“Former Attorney General Janet Reno said the U.S. government must be careful to avoid selectively using facts”

Janet Reno is the last person to be lecturing others about that.

58 posted on 02/18/2008 8:05:21 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: RoadKingSE

John McCain fought bravely in Vietnam.
No doubt about his service.
No doubt about his being tortured and physically incapacitated.
But once the enemy found out he was the son of a politician, he got treated like a king(comparitively).

Once he was freed he went into politics.

The Dems wanted to look good, and since rescuing POW/MIA’s would take a long time and a lot of resources (money), they decided to just ‘sign off’ on those soldiers.

But, they needed partisan support. So, they threatened McCain with exposing his ‘life of Riley’ prison stay.

Kerry negotiated control of the real estate market in South Vietnam for his brother.

And promised McCain if he ever ran for President, he would have the support of ‘the rich and powerful...dems’.

At the presentation of the signed document stating that Kerry and McCain had visited all suspected prison camps and found no POW/MIAs, McCain hung his head in shame as Kerry held up the document for the press.

59 posted on 02/18/2008 8:09:58 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: presidio9

Anybody have any idea why Frank Fuster is still in prison??

60 posted on 02/18/2008 8:10:32 PM PST by jeddavis
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To: presidio9

So it’s okay to burn Americans to death because they’re weird but we can’t waterboard terrorists who want to kill thousands? Makes perfect sense to me.

61 posted on 02/18/2008 8:36:04 PM PST by SeminoleSoldier
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To: presidio9
"But what I've discovered (from being a prosecutor and attorney general) is that we get tunnel vision," Reno said. "We want the facts to be something and we wish them into being."

I'm sure Grant Snowden was thrilled at being part of your learning experience.

62 posted on 02/18/2008 8:40:05 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: presidio9

But as Saturday Night Live once sarcastically quoted Leon Spinks:

“Yeah, but at I’ve still got my good looks”

63 posted on 02/18/2008 8:40:24 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: bannie

My first thought.

64 posted on 02/18/2008 8:55:59 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: presidio9

There are a lot of Japanese men who would love to be stranded on an island with her.

65 posted on 02/18/2008 8:58:24 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: Bahbah
What were her thoughts on burning people to death?

Best comment on the thread so far.

66 posted on 02/18/2008 9:13:38 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: bannie
67 posted on 02/18/2008 9:14:39 PM PST by GOP_Raider (With parting breath we'll sing that song "A Utah Man Am I" RIP GBH)
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To: presidio9

And don’t forget, if it wasn’t waterboarding but some other tactic, we’ed be getting the same line of s-ht from the lib crowd.

68 posted on 02/18/2008 9:46:57 PM PST by Waco
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To: presidio9

Here’s the best biting satire on the Elian kidnapping — from the viewpoint of that brave patriot that stuck his weapon in Elian’s face. It was written in May 2000, published here on FR by China Clipper...kept it on my hard drive, it’s long but incredibly good! Kinda encapsulates the whole spectrum of the evil Clinton era in one essay...

Operation Just Reunion!


So there it was. I’d be walking point. In this business, point is where it’s at, but it’s not for the meek. First to Fight, First to Die…it’s what I live for. I-OPS (Department of Justice Intelligence Operations) had confirmed that at any time, we might (and probably would) encounter weapons of mass destruction. Not to mention the fiercest jungle fighters anywhere on the planet.

I guess I can honestly say I was scared. Scared for myself, yeah. But mostly for the 130 brave souls on this suicide mission that we had volunteered for. We waited. We waited some more. Some guys smoked cigarettes, some caught up on letters, some had sex with other soldiers, without first asking or telling what sex they actually were. What would it be like when the action started, I wondered…And suddenly, we got the word we dreaded, yet longed for: it was time!

“Operation Just Reunion” was on!

Some say your life flashes before you when you are about to die. All I know is, my breakfast was flashing past in huge chunks as we jumped into our assault minivans and headed for the battle site. Rumor was out that BJ Company had caught some serious sh** the day before, performing weapons reconnaissance inside the battlefield.

Jeez, were we heading into the jaws of death? I was doing some serious praying on the way out, I really was. We approached the scene…It was the scariest thing I’d ever seen, but in a way I was strangely calm. I reminded myself of other brave men I’d seen on TV.

Then, in an incredible show of testosterone, me and the other grunts blasted our way onto the battlefield. Sweet Jesus, total pandemonium, in an oddly professional way. Shrapnel everywhere. Warrants dropping out of our asses, for chrissakes. I saw a door splinter like it was made of balsa! A deadly weapon in the shape of the Virgin Mary—Holy Sh**, what is THAT all about? We neutralized the threat, because it could have given one of us a nasty conk on the head, if our helmets fell off, or something.

But the worst was yet to come. The enemy had cleverly disguised themselves as peaceful, loving cousins, negotiators, and family members—the worst kind of enemy, we learned in our Commando camp. They were wily bastards, crying like scared puppies, trying to get us to drop our guard, screaming like girlie-men! Sorry, folks, no can do! We knew better…This is the big time, and you are up against the BEST!

Suddenly, I felt the adrenaline pumping through me as I screamed—in a calm and orderly, non-threatening fashion—”Where’s the boy?! Tell me where the boy is, or I’ll shoot!!”

It was really exciting, cause then the family really put on a show! This rather attractive young girl, known from I-OPS as “Marisleysis” (which we had learned earlier is Spanish for “Lying Evil Cousin”), shouted really mean things at us, exposing her teeth as she yelled things in English, which threw us off for a while, because I-OPS had told us to listen for Spanish! Oh, she was good! A Pro! But she didn’t fool me or the 8 other guys in the sector for long. We just screamed at her louder (but nicer) when she begged us to “put the guns down, please, don’t let the boy see them!” and other wimpy sh** like that.

We unscrambled her English code quickly and professionally, toyed with the wicked family for a bit, and then suddenly I heard it! The sound we had been told to expect! It was a slight, hushed whimper, coming from “B” Closet in “Alpha” sector…it was HIM! La Hurricane (”The Hurricane”), and he was putting on his show!

I called out to my men in a loud, masculine, commando-type voice “Over here!”, and like the pros they are, they lock-stepped right over with me. I was of course expecting to be shot, incinerated or at least bumped on the head really painfully at any moment, as I-OPS had warned us. But they can’t fool me—mostly, they can’t deter me! For I am the meanest sonovab**ch in full body armor, and don’t you forget it!

I bravely approached the closet where the evil “Monster of Miami” was—we knew it, and my blood ran cold. We felt his eerie presence—hell we SMELLED it. But we are the feds, and let me tell you, you don’t THINK about messing with us! Suddenly out of the closet burst the most frightening, fearsome human being I had ever seen…WAS HE HUMAN?!

Great god almighty, I thought, as my mind raced, this 50-pound dynamo had the iciest stare and no doubt the most evil dimple I had ever laid my eyes on! I knew at that moment that I was in for it, but in spite of the fear, I fell back on my excellent training. I raised the weapon and…can I stop a second here, do you, would you mind?

OK, the thing is, my gun was under control at all times. And as Mr. Holder had indicated, I didn’t recall whether I really had a weapon, but then I saw the reflection of myself in this photographer’s lens, and OK, I guess I did. But I didn’t have my finger on the trigger. And if I did, I had the safety on, and if it wasn’t on, the gun wasn’t loaded, and if it was loaded, my excellent commando training precluded my accidentally capping some woman or child with the gun, but if that happened, it would be fully justified BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T SEE WHAT I SAW!!!

Oh sh**, here I go…oh, god, please, turn off…turn off the g*dd*m camera a minute! I, I’m sorry, I…I’ll be OK, I’m OK now…OK, see, you were not there! You cannot judge me! This Elian, this Monster, was staring at me, and I tell you it was PETRIFYING!

God, I peed into my jackboots, ruined the crease on my pant legs, and I honest-to-god started quaking more than this Reno guy that we always laugh about—he almost looks like a woman (not that I would ask or tell.)

Anyway, I carefully and with complete control of my gun, aimed near but not at the Monster and the fishy-smelling guy, and…hey wow! Cool! It dawned on me that this was the actual fisherman that rescued that alien from that inner-tube! Whoa, I was like “unbelievable”, cause we had learned from I-OPS that he knew Darva Conger, and suddenly I felt better, though my goggles were steaming from the vaporization in my pants.

And then it happened…A couple flashes went off! Oh sh**, hit the deck, hit it, and I hear one of my buddies screaming “Medic! Medic! Help, oh Jesus, I’m hit! Oh sh**”, but it was just one of the guys goofing off, so we all laughed, then I realized the flashes came from this photographer, and he had just snapped my picture. I was bummed, because I had left my favorite fatigues at home, and these ones were a bit soiled front and back.....

Anyway, I-OPS had said we didn’t need to kill photographers this time, so I just kicked him in the stomach, because I knew he wanted it. And I left him my card, so his people could call my people to negotiate some upfront cash for me (no monkey points, OK, I didn’t just fall off the halftrack yesterday pal! I want gross!)

OK, so on the way out, we saw the evil Uncle Lazaro, who again was playing scared, whimpering it up for us, frankly scaring the sh** out of some of us, I don’t mind saying! But by the empty beer cans around his armed encampment (which was disguised as a slightly worn, 1976 La-Z-Boy recliner—jesus, those bastards are BRILLIANT!), you could tell that he was drunk as a skunk, just like I-OPS had said. So I gassed the family, as a gesture that we meant them no harm, and because I could.

I had by then handed Hellboy to a swell brave gal, who took off running full cocked like OJ over suitcases. And I have to admit, even in moments as absolutely terrifying as this, you have got to find something to laugh about. Here I was, following this f***ing butch fullback out of the hellhole, and I watched her exit the battlefield and run smack dab into a f***ing bush!

Honest to sh**! I laughed so hard, I peed my pants again. And some of the more intellectual guys said how ironic it was that she ran into a “Bush”, kind of as a metaphor for what might happen to the democrats at election time on account of Operation Just Reunion? But see I knew that Clinton had already beaten Bush in ‘92, so I didn’t think it was funny. But I totally have to admit, her full frontal assault into the bush was a highlight of the morning for me.

But not as cool as the fearful yet addictive terror that only freedom warriors, who storm private homes in the dark and whisk away dangerous, explosive menaces can ever know. It’s what I do…I was born to it. I’d die for it. No sh**, I literally laugh at danger.

As cool as it had been, my day wasn’t over yet. I was relaxing and debriefing with the other patriots at the home of this suave, gray-haired lawyer, when we found out that the eight of us had been nicknamed the “Three-Minute Men”. Apparently, it was in honor not only of the breathtaking speed and precision of our mission, but also as a “play on words” from the nickname of some idiots from the Revolutionary War, or something. Like we gave a f*** about some assh**es from back in the 70’s!

Anyway, it was about that time that I got a personal call from the President! Of America!!! I tell you, I love this man! He starts out by asking what the party was like, and we reminisced about the day in general, how was the family, and he went like good job for the American people, yadda, yadda, yadda. And we laughed our asses off about the “warrant” thing.

He asked me offhandedly about the gun I didn’t remember having, then he saw Mr. Holder on TV, and he remembered, and then he said hey great work, and he wasn’t at all mad that I got my picture taken and stuff, and he thanked me for using a trigger lock, and it was just really awesome. But he did seem a bit troubled or distant at the time.

Then all of a sudden, he springs to life like he’s had this great idea, or like he just wanked into the Oval Office sink, one, and he says “As a reward for your excellent bravery and for defending the Constitution against the forces of evil, I want to send you and the other brave commandos on an all-expense paid trip to any exotic place you choose. My personal Osprey Helicopter is fueled and waiting!!!”

COOL—OOWWOOOO!!! DUDE, we get to go anywhere we want, on the DOJ’s tab. And he promised me personally that we didn’t even have to tell ANYONE where we were going, and he’d call our bosses and stuff! The guy is so cool, we talked about chicks, and he even asked me about my girlfriend, like where she lived so he could send her a card of gratitude and stuff, and…

Oh here I go again, oh sh**! I’m sorry, I just am so emotional! I…Oh, geez, sorry, I’m OK. God I love that man! God bless that brave honorable man—just about the best danged president in the whole danged country EVER!

So that’s my story. I do not tell it to enlarge my credentials, or to brag about my performance in combat. WAR IS HELL! I tell it so that others might follow in my jackboots and defend the Constitution. True, I answered the patriot call. Yes, I am proud that I put my ASS on the line for democracy, the Constitution, and the Clinton Rule of Law! Yes, I’m proud that we were the “Best and the Brightest” in that fearful predawn battle.

But most of all, I am proud that from here on out, the photo of me staring down the very face of evil will replace trite, worn-out scenes like the flag being planted on Iwo Jima. Now we truly have an icon more glorious than all others, which will represent just exactly what America stands for in the Year of our President 2000!

G*dd*m, I am so proud to be an American today!!! Is Clinton AWESOME, or what!! Don’t wait up!!! I am 10-4 outtahere!!!

Posted by China Clipper, 27 April 2000, Free Republic.

69 posted on 02/18/2008 10:52:23 PM PST by Husker8877
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To: presidio9

Religious zealots can be difficult targets too.

Best to burn the place down to make sure the religious zealot never escapes (oh yeah...and a few dozen women and children as well)

70 posted on 02/18/2008 10:59:33 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: the invisib1e hand

“Someone once told me that she smoked cigars and wrestled alligators”.

She did, and one time the gator won, and along came Janet!

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To: Bahbah
She said: Those ungrateful people we set on fire keep asking why we did not water-board them instead.
72 posted on 02/19/2008 12:28:39 AM PST by tdscpa
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To: presidio9
Reno said the key to fighting terrorism on an international level is collaboration. She repeatedly praised the law school's collaborative efforts.

"Unless we start adding collaboration like I've seen here today, were not going to be successful in fighting terrorism," she said. "Collaboration is the name of the game."

Yeah, collaboration's where it's at. That's clear as mud. Is she writing Obama's speeches now?

73 posted on 02/19/2008 12:36:28 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Barack Obama = Tony Robbins with a tan)
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To: presidio9
"Facts can produce so many answers if we search hard enough for them, but too often we don't, and too often, even having searched, we do not apply the law to the facts as we should," she said.

I hate to sound so glib about this, but isn't that what defense attourneys are supposed to prevent?

74 posted on 02/19/2008 12:36:45 AM PST by TN4Liberty (Sadly, the grown-ups don't run the GOP.)
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To: presidio9

If those who read this article are as uninformed as its author, they have no inkling that the sleep-deprivation methods used by the Clinton Administration at Waco (bright lights in the windows, Nancy Sinatra’s “These Boots Are Made For Walking” and screeching animal noises over loudspeakers) might be classified by some Bush Administration critics as “torture.”

75 posted on 02/19/2008 12:47:09 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Barack Obama = Tony Robbins with a tan)
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To: presidio9

“Former Attorney General Janet Reno said the U.S. government must be careful to avoid selectively using facts when prosecuting suspected terrorists. “

But massacring innocent Americans (no matter how deluded) such as was perpetrated at Waco under her instructions is A-OK?!

I have nothing but contempt for this woman.

76 posted on 02/19/2008 12:47:55 AM PST by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: presidio9

In a fair world, this woman would be in PRISON!!

77 posted on 02/19/2008 12:53:04 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: presidio9

“Truth Is A Very Elusive target”

Especially when you burn the evidence.

78 posted on 02/19/2008 12:55:09 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: presidio9

>>Former Attorney General Janet Reno said the U.S. government must be careful to avoid selectively using facts when prosecuting suspected terrorists.<<

I think about Reno and Waco every time the administration takes a new power and asserts the rights to bypass the courts and congress. One of these days its gonna be another Reno as AG and I fear it will not be pretty.

OK, we know that would not be pretty. :)

79 posted on 02/19/2008 12:55:10 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

I’ll always remember that Reno said her sister told her, “atta girl” about the Waco decision. For some reason that sticks in my mind.

That and the fact that alot of people in this country didn’t bat an eyelash when it happened.

80 posted on 02/19/2008 1:07:39 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Parley Baer
I prefer to think of that evil abomination as his payed assassin.
81 posted on 02/19/2008 1:17:03 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: presidio9; All
Never Forget:

Reno for Guv? Recall *this*

82 posted on 02/19/2008 1:54:23 AM PST by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
"Collaboration is the name of the game."

ATF... FBI...

83 posted on 02/19/2008 2:07:37 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: presidio9

I wonder if the Hillary whore has had anyone killed LATELY

84 posted on 02/19/2008 2:48:07 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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She did, and one time the gator won, and along came Janet!


85 posted on 02/19/2008 3:33:16 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: eclecticEel; RJL; Clintonfatigued
Reno, who served as attorney general under President Bill Clinton, said prosecutors often allow prejudices to skew their use of facts.
Pure projection. Just because she did it, she assumes that everyone does . . .

86 posted on 02/19/2008 6:16:08 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The Democratic Party is only a front for the political establishment in America - Big Journalism.)
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To: yarddog

Evil can have a benign face, but it can be as ugly on the outside as it is on the inside.

87 posted on 02/19/2008 6:36:32 AM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: presidio9
88 posted on 02/19/2008 11:46:19 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Gag - Gorelick...please, God, may it never ever be.

89 posted on 02/19/2008 4:44:28 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Iron Munro

I agree: Herself, the Vile and Abhorent, is a disease—an immoral, murderous disease.

If she didn’t have some pact with evil, she would have already been eleminated for her crimes.

There is no one who abhores this piece of disgusting skin more than I do. There are many who feel the same; but none hate her more. (AND I don’t waste HATRED on many!)

90 posted on 02/19/2008 5:36:50 PM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! ALLLLLWAYS!)
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To: GOP_Raider


91 posted on 02/19/2008 5:39:32 PM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! ALLLLLWAYS!)
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