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FredHeads: "The Rumors Of Our Demise Have Been Greatly Exaggerated"
The Jawa Report ^ | February 18, 2008 | Ragnar Danneskjold

Posted on 02/19/2008 9:27:28 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A few weeks ago, Fred Thompson exited the race for President. In the wake of that decision, the FredHeads and the members of DraftFredThompson.com engaged in a whole lot of soul-searching and vigorous discussion as to what to do next. Fred's candidacy may have come to an end, but our faith in the principles that originally drew us to Fred was as strong as ever.

The product of that soul-searching and vigorous discussion is Conservatives for the Advancement of the Reagan Coalition, a new organization formed to advance the key conservative principles articulated by men like Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan and Fred Thompson.

Of course, there are plenty of places on the 'net to discuss Reaganite principles. While we'll certainly continue to do that, we will at the same time be moving forward with our plan to pound the pavement and raise the funds to ELECT candidates who share our principles and DEFEAT candidates who don't. If you share our faith in those principles, and have an interest in working to get them put into practice, we invite you to JOIN US.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Illinois; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 2008; barrygoldwater; conservatism; conservatives; election; elections; firstprinciples; fred; fredheads; frednecks; fredthompson; reaganesque; reaganite; ronaldreagan; thompson; valuesvoters
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Glad to hear it.
1 posted on 02/19/2008 9:27:39 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT :)


2 posted on 02/19/2008 9:29:40 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Politicalmom; jellybean; Josh Painter; ejonesie22; papasmurf; Bobbisox; DesScorp; thefactor; ...
FRED PING!!
3 posted on 02/19/2008 9:29:44 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where is Fred? Why did he leave us all alone?


4 posted on 02/19/2008 9:30:37 AM PST by McGruff
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Goldwater? He was an icon in his day, but he completely rejected the “social conservative” leg of the conservative stool. He was a raving pro-abort by the end. I would leave his name out of these things.


5 posted on 02/19/2008 9:32:06 AM PST by xjcsa (I hated McCain before hating McCain was cool.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan and Fred Thompson

Y'all can vilify me all you want to, but I don't think Fred's name quite belongs in that sentence.

P.S. Fred endorsed McCain.

6 posted on 02/19/2008 9:33:06 AM PST by squidly
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m on board...just signed up.


7 posted on 02/19/2008 9:34:03 AM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: xjcsa

He was also raving anti-gunowner near the end. I agree that we should leave his name out of it.


8 posted on 02/19/2008 9:34:08 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: squidly
Ghost of fredheads!
9 posted on 02/19/2008 9:35:16 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hoorah!


10 posted on 02/19/2008 9:35:46 AM PST by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bump


11 posted on 02/19/2008 9:36:22 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: squidly
P.S. Fred endorsed McCain.

Fred endorsed the presumptive nominee, in a bid for Party unity, exactly as Romney had done. Fred didn't say a thing supporting McCain, until the primaries had reached a point where his nomination was fairly certain.

12 posted on 02/19/2008 9:41:36 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Reagan Coalition site
13 posted on 02/19/2008 9:42:06 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...zzzzzz....


14 posted on 02/19/2008 9:42:20 AM PST by onedoug
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To: squidly
P.S. Fred endorsed McCain.

Not in this election cycle. There were false rumors floating around but there was no endorsement.

15 posted on 02/19/2008 9:43:48 AM PST by BubbaBasher (It's time to change the changes we've been changing and hope for more hope!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The Rumors Of Our Demise Have Been Greatly Exaggerated"

YeHa....I've always, liked Mark Twain (Samuel Clements :)

16 posted on 02/19/2008 9:45:18 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you...our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>>>>>Of course, there are plenty of places on the 'net to discuss Reaganite principles.

Yes there are. Just so happens Free Republic remains the best place to advance the agenda of the conservative movement. That is my opinion, bias as it may be.

17 posted on 02/19/2008 9:50:19 AM PST by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Conservative Vote --- EARN IT or NO DEAL !!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Uhhhh...you guys know that Thompson endorsed McCain, right?

Sad, but true.

18 posted on 02/19/2008 9:53:09 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: BubbaBasher
Fred endorsed McCain.

Not in this election cycle.

I'm afraid he did. See for yourself. It went down over February 8th or 9th.

19 posted on 02/19/2008 9:56:18 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

CARC?


20 posted on 02/19/2008 9:57:23 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: xjcsa

He was always a pro-abort. Both his wives were Planned Barrenhood leaders in Arizona. He was really a Libertarian, not a Conservative as we term it today. His 1980 Democrat opponent, Bill Schulz, was more Conservative than he was (and he nearly beat Goldwater, losing by only 1%, even as Reagan, whom Goldwater hated, carried AZ by a 32%+ landslide). :-\


21 posted on 02/19/2008 10:02:06 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: squidly
P.S. Fred endorsed McCain.

I wouldn’t call it an endorsement more like I’ll support the party’s candidate statement.

22 posted on 02/19/2008 10:04:18 AM PST by McGruff
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To: squidly

Fred did not endorse McCain.

He said, “go support the ticket” — nary a positive thing about McCain.


23 posted on 02/19/2008 10:04:22 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: Digital Sniper

Read the statement; it was not an endorsement.

It was “go support the ticket.”


24 posted on 02/19/2008 10:05:09 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: squidly

Fred is more conservative than Reagan was.

As for the crack about him endorsing McCain... no he didn’t. He endorsed the presumptive nominee... don’t tell lies and expect to get away with them


25 posted on 02/19/2008 10:06:08 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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This effort seems a lot like a duplicate of the “American Conservative Party”. ( http://www.americanconservativeparty.org )

Maybe these two groups should get together and combine their efforts.


26 posted on 02/19/2008 10:07:11 AM PST by retr0 (He who argues with a fool is an even greater fool.)
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To: squidly
And Reagan endorsed Ford.

Oh, and where is your proof. I saw FRED quoted by AP (a throughly reliable source). Fred said, well it looks like McCain won, lets support him.

Like the huckster stands a chance.

27 posted on 02/19/2008 10:07:33 AM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Digital Sniper; All
Pretty much EVERY Republican of ANY standing has endorsed John McCain: He’s the presumptive GOP standard-bearer. What do you expect them to do? Even former President George H.W. Bush has endorsed McCain. It’s a done deal, Huckabee hasn’t got a prayer. Do you really think that a life-long Republican like Fred is going to remain neutral in the face of two Saul Alinsky acolytes as the remaining Democrats vying for the nomination? Here’s more on Alinsky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/Alinsky-SaulRef.html

28 posted on 02/19/2008 10:08:07 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: Digital Sniper
“Uhhhh...you guys know that Thompson endorsed McCain, right?”

There will be a time that each and everyone of the former candidates will endorse and back John McCain if he is the nominee. Even your favorite. There is only one exception and that is Paul but he will be against anyone but himself anyway. But for the rest of you, be careful with your criticism, because your candidate may be the next to get behind McCain for the sake of beating Obama or Hillary.

29 posted on 02/19/2008 10:11:20 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT


30 posted on 02/19/2008 10:11:33 AM PST by prairiebreeze ("Mental institution Michael...think about it". -- FDT 2007)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Despite my initial excitement the Fred head movement was dead before arrival!


31 posted on 02/19/2008 10:11:57 AM PST by Dan Walsh (Thompson/Bolton 08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was trying to say the same thing in my post - but you did it better.


32 posted on 02/19/2008 10:12:33 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

No, we just covered different aspects of it.


33 posted on 02/19/2008 10:14:07 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: Dan Walsh
Despite my initial excitement the Fred head movement was dead before arrival!

I blame the republicans of Iowa. Fred spent the last 17 days before the primary spreading his vision for the party all around that state and they rejected it.

I also blame the republican's of South Carolina. Fred went directly from Iowa to SC and spent every day there getting his message out. They didn't get it either.

I'm also mad at Fred for disappearing after SC. If the movement was so important he should have stuck it out at least till Super Tuesday.

34 posted on 02/19/2008 10:18:09 AM PST by McGruff
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To: squidly

I’m a Fredhead still sulking a little over him dropping out to early and my 2nd choice did not do much better, so now that we are down to just McCain, I have to ask myself, who would rather turn the military over to; McCain, Clinton, or Obama?

Two of the above names would destroy the military as an effective fighting force by the sheer number of trained soldiers who would get out as soon as they could. They will be replaced by young people just looking for a job in the poor economy that certainly will come with a quasi-socialist government. Having served in the Navy under Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan I have seen this first hand. Under Jimmy Carter, FTN was very popular graffiti found on the bulkheads of my ship, the stalls in the heads, and at the top of letters the sailors sent home. I’m not going to spell it out but you know what FTN stands for. When Reagan took over this attitude changed and we had pride once again, and re-enlistments went way up, and that foul graffiti disappeared.

If McCain is our nominee, as much as I dislike him I will vote for him for the sake of the military alone.


35 posted on 02/19/2008 10:25:31 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: squidly

I disagree, Fred belongs. not sure Goldwater does...
Why you are surprised or dismayed that Fred endorsed McCain is beyond me. Who was he suppose to endorse, the Huckster?


36 posted on 02/19/2008 10:28:39 AM PST by Robbin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I knew it, I knew it, I could SMELL it coming. This is exactly what I said about a week ago in the thread McCain Still Fighting for Conservative GOP Support & Gary Bauer> on Post 29.

I for one want the "republican party" to just die. If Juan MxCain is going to be sold to us as "he is a conservative, really, just ask him, he will tell you" is high time to pull the plug on the pubs. Let the Dems take the blame for ALL of the crap they get into. No more republican derangement. Just let the Dems drown in their own s**t.

Lets go to Fred and start with something simple and straightforward.

The Thompson PAC for true conservatives. Call it T-PACC. Thompson Political Action Committee for Conservatism. Invite in Duncan and Tom. Others as they prove themselves through documented performance, not a bunch of election campaign lies. And build from there.

In the meantime we need to petition the RNC to STOP MxCain.

37 posted on 02/19/2008 10:30:26 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://reagancoalition.org/


38 posted on 02/19/2008 10:35:20 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: McGruff
The bottom line was that the press ignored Fred and his committee left a lot to be desired.
39 posted on 02/19/2008 10:35:26 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: NavyCanDo

I’m with you there. I’m not wild about McCain either. But if our military people feel like they can support him, and feel good about it basically, then that’s good enough for me!


40 posted on 02/19/2008 10:51:02 AM PST by dsutah
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To: ANGGAPO

And his campaign was sabotaged from the inside by vindictive disgruntled “staff” members.


41 posted on 02/19/2008 11:58:39 AM PST by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sign me up.

But let’s leave Goldwater out, for reasons others have cited.


42 posted on 02/19/2008 12:13:13 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

ping 4 l8r


43 posted on 02/19/2008 12:20:44 PM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: squidly

“P.S. Fred endorsed McCain.”

Lots of folks say that Fred “endorsed” McCain. I did not feel that Fred’s statement was an endorsement. When someone says, “I endorse......” that would be an endorsement. When someone says, “It is time to rally behind the nominee”, I believe that is said for the party to get behind the nominee. I am sure Fred would have said the same thing no matter whom the nominee happened to be. You will also notice that Fred said nothing until EVERYONE was saying that McCain IS the nominee. Just so happens, he still has to win more delegates to actually be the nominee.


44 posted on 02/19/2008 12:22:19 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: SuziQ

Fred never went after McCain either.
In fact, he endorsed him in 2000.

Perhaps people have forgotten he is an actor.


45 posted on 02/19/2008 12:55:45 PM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: NavyCanDo

“FTN”...snicker...

Haven’t heard or seen that in years...


46 posted on 02/19/2008 2:26:46 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for posting this. I just signed on. I was into “FredHead” principles, before there was a “FredHead” group. This sounds like a good way to support the ideas, without necessarily being caught up in the personalities.

More than anything, conservatives in the GOP need a “farm team” where we can bring up new candidates and build them up for higher positions over time. Our bench has been weak for some time now, which is what put us in the bad position we are in now.


47 posted on 02/19/2008 2:29:50 PM PST by Mr Inviso
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To: JaneNC
Fred DID endorse McCain in 2000, then went on to support George W. Bush, because he was the nominee. Even with that, the majority of the stuff for which folks here don't like McCain came around AFTER 2000, with the exception of McCain-Feingold, and Fred supported that because he was disgusted with the way folks could hide their support of a candidate, and voters wouldn't know from whom a candidate was getting most of his support.

If Fred was supportive of McCain this year, why go through all the hassle to announce and run for office himself? If he thought McCain was doing the right things from the start, wouldn't he have just saved himself the trouble and endorsed him from the beginning? As it is, Fred didn't formally endorse McCain, the man, he just called for folks to line up behind the presumptive nominee so that we could beat the Democrats. I don't think Fred will be sitting out the election because who he considered the best candidate didn't win the nomination for the Republicans.

48 posted on 02/19/2008 3:40:58 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: McGruff

Back to acting again? Oh well, he was a good comic relief while he puttered around instead of running. A good guy who should have stayed in the Tenn. area running for the Senate again. We shall not see him again in our time.


49 posted on 02/19/2008 6:51:55 PM PST by phillyfanatic ( tH)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I’m glad to hear it also. I have become somewhat disengaged since FRED left the race. McCain is not my favorite candidate...but we must vote in this election. Staying home and watching the dems win is not the answer. We have to work within. Elect as many Conservatives to the House and Senate as possible and diminish the “moderate” RINOs power.
50 posted on 02/19/2008 8:53:00 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE FREEPER! [REPUBLICAN...don't know anymore?])
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