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MN: Lawmakers hope to regulate private gun sales
KSTP News ^ | 02/21/2008 04:45:39 PM | Nicole Muehlhausen

Posted on 02/22/2008 7:44:24 AM PST by jdege

Lawmakers hope to regulate private gun sales

A new bill introduced at the Capitol is aimed at existing Minnesota gun laws. Lawmakers want to close a loophole that allows anyone to buy guns at private sales without a background check.

The bill will be the first time that gun safety advocates have pushed for a new law that would make most gun sales similar to those that take place in licensed shops.

Minneapolis Councilman Don Samuels calls the gun issue a daily hazard.

"I hear automatic gunfire at night from my bedroom," said Samuels.

Some other lawmakers hope to reduce the threat everywhere. The plan is to make it tougher to purchase some guns at private sales.

"This is a very dangerous weapon. No ID, no background check or anything that went along with the purchase of a gun," Duluth Police Chief Gordon Ramsey said as he displayed a gun that was purchased through the loophole.

At gun stores, buyers will face a federal background check. At a gun show or garage sale, nothing is required.

The proposed bill targets handguns and assault weapons. Anyone buying one would need a permit and it would require all gun show transactions to be processed by a licensed gun dealer. Anyone purchasing a firearm would have to undergo a federal and local background check.

"Is it going to catch everything? Everyone? No. But it's a step in the right direction," said Edina Police Chief Michael Siitari.

Lawmakers hope to pass the bill by limiting its scope - for example, it won’t impact the sale of shotguns.

Police admit that it will be tough to enforce the proposed law when it comes to Internet sales or private transactions between two neighbors, but it will still help.

The bill has to pass through committees before the legislature votes on it.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
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1 posted on 02/22/2008 7:44:26 AM PST by jdege
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To: jdege

“...automatic gunfire at night from my bedroom.” Solution: attack private property.


2 posted on 02/22/2008 7:47:07 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: jdege

Stupid is as stupid does. These politicians need an enema of the brain.


3 posted on 02/22/2008 7:48:03 AM PST by tueffelhunden
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To: jdege

How many children were killed by guns this week in MN? How many were killed by an illegal alien driver? It seems the MN legislators would recognize the greater danger and do something about it.


4 posted on 02/22/2008 7:48:11 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: jdege
"Is it going to catch everything? Everyone? No. But it's a step in the right direction," said Edina Police Chief Michael Siitari.

He's even admitting it won't accomplish anything. How any legislator can bring up a bill like this in the face of all the evidence and an organized gun lobby is beyond me.

Anyone purchasing a firearm would have to undergo a federal and local background check.

This is de facto registration unless the database is truly purged (which I don't believe for a minute that it is no matter what the law says).

5 posted on 02/22/2008 7:50:32 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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"I hear automatic gunfire at night from my bedroom," said Samuels.

Highly unlikely you commie bastard.

You may have heard gun fire on occasion, but automatic gun fire is quite distinctive.

And if you 'heard' some gun fire, why does that equate to infringing on the rights of the citizens?

Only in the mind of a wannabe tyrant.

6 posted on 02/22/2008 7:56:11 AM PST by JOAT
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To: jdege

The proposed law includes “assault weapons”. Ha.

For some reason though they think shotguns are ok in private sales.


7 posted on 02/22/2008 7:57:17 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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I hear automatic gunfire at night from my bedroom," said Samuels.

Maybe if you fully funded your police force Minneapolis, instead of diverting millions into feel good Eco-freak projects and "mass transit" schemes, you wouldn't have this problem

8 posted on 02/22/2008 8:04:36 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: kittymyrib
How many children were killed by guns this week in MN?

ZERO.

Also, ZERO last month, ZERO last year, ZERO last decade ...

Guns are inanimate objects.

9 posted on 02/22/2008 8:06:43 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MNJohnnie

All gun sales in CA have to go thru a licensed dealer and we have registration of handguns........ oh, an don’t forget the 10 day waiting period. We also have our own AWB.

None of this has made a dent in our crime rates.


10 posted on 02/22/2008 8:11:51 AM PST by umgud
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To: jdege

Freedom...slipping away at the hands of do-gooders who don’t have the mental capacity to follow an argument to its logical conclusion.

These people simply must be stopped. We, the people, must assert our rights at EVERY challenge, no matter how small, no matter how local. It has become obvious that we won’t undo three generations of DhimmiLib entitlement socialism by starting in Washington DC. So...we must start at the state and local level.


11 posted on 02/22/2008 8:13:15 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: jdege

Geee. Will the new law regulate gun sales held in parking lots?


12 posted on 02/22/2008 8:18:08 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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Fine. Make it like liquor sales. Illegal to buy and sell to an unqualified buyer.

Offer a free number to be able to call and check if someone is qualified (or put a mark on drivers licenses of those who are disqualified).

Do NOT collect data about who is buying what. After all the goal is not to create a confiscation database, but to make sure guns aren’t sold to criminals.

Anyone who insists on databasing the serial number and model of a gun an individual buys is clearly bent on confiscation.


13 posted on 02/22/2008 8:19:14 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Waiting for tagline...)
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To: Beelzebubba

Here’s how it works:

I call 612-MNCHECK.

The operator answers “Minnesota Instant Check, may I have the buyer’s name, please?”

I say “John Q. Smith.”

They ask: “Address?”

I provide that from the buyer’s drivers license. (Maybe also provide the DL number.)

“Please hold...”

“...thank you for holding...your buyer is not disqualified from purchasing firearms, thank you. Your record number for this verification is Q7KP456, please make a note of it.”

(Note that this could be entirely automated, including on the Internet.)


14 posted on 02/22/2008 8:25:40 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Waiting for tagline...)
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To: JOAT

Don Samuels has been known to exhibit an over active imagination, on occaision.


15 posted on 02/22/2008 8:31:44 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.)
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To: jdege

Get a rope.

Is it time yet?


16 posted on 02/22/2008 8:42:47 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: jdege

Does he mean automatic as in machine guns? Otherwise, he is not hearing automatic fire. Machine guns that are operable on automatic are not legal except by the military and law enforcement.

If there was automnatic gun fire, it would have been all over the press by now.

This is total Bravo Sierra.

This guy’s incorrect use of the terminology is inidicative of someone who knows nothing about guns.

He probably believes that if one is in the house there is a danger of it deciding, on its own, to run down the hallway and shoot him in bed.


17 posted on 02/22/2008 8:55:37 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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"I hear automatic gunfire at night from my bedroom," said Samuels.

I highly doubt that you lying piece of offal.

18 posted on 02/22/2008 8:55:46 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Beelzebubba
Funny... that's how the FBI database known as NICS was first pushed to us as well.

They've held on to that data despite multiple lawsuits telling them not to.

Pull my other leg. The one with bells on it...

19 posted on 02/22/2008 8:57:27 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: jdege

“”This is a very dangerous weapon. “

Can this bozo name one functional weapon that could not be called dangerous?


20 posted on 02/22/2008 9:16:56 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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