Obama camp on defense on Michelle Obama big mouth

ME!

[Southerngl]

My first vanity ever.

I was called last night by Zogby (boy I felt special!!)

After the usual 'how do you feel about candidates, blah blah blah' they snuck in the question "Are you familiar with Michelle Obama's statement about how it was the first time she was proud of her country" and of course the guy (who was really nice by the way) got an earful about all the wonderful things that has happened in several years. They also asked if it would affect if I would vote Obama and I said yes (even thought I didn't admit I wouldn't have voted for him anyway)

Alot of really odd questions and ALOT about spouses, including Bill. I threw in one Clinton was enough and the guy laughed. Not politely, but a real laugh.

I felt so special guys, I never have been polled before. Much less by Zogby. Not that they can always be trusted, but still. I felt actually grown up. (OH GOD, WHAT AM I SAYING!>!> Please, someone pass the keg quick so redeem my youth)

[cricket]

Dispicable?

Am surprised you have any tolerance for politics. The comment is 'sharp-tongued'. . .a 'biting criticism' perhaps. . .but 'dispicable' is in the mind of the beholder. . .and personally, think your observation and critique and personal attack; go beyond the Golden Rule you speak of.

[GOPJ]

Yes, that’s where I thought it was... :)

[Aln in Eastern WA]

That’s the chapter that requires parents’ wages to be garnished if they haven’t purchased health insurance for their child.

[Southerngl]

Sounds to me like you got push polled.

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What is push polled? That wasn’t the only thing asked about. They asked about approval scale 1-10 on all candidates and also about the spouses and if I think they affect the race.

[microgood]

Am surprised you have any tolerance for politics. The comment is 'sharp-tongued'. . .a 'biting criticism' perhaps. . .but 'dispicable' is in the mind of the beholder. . .and personally, think your observation and critique and personal attack; go beyond the Golden Rule you speak of.

When I go to the Encarta Dictionary and type in wench, I get a language advisory and then the second definition is:

an offensive term for a prostitute or a woman who is regarded as sexually promiscuous

When I type in despicable, I do not get a language advisory and get:

fully deserving of contempt

Looking up contempt, I get:

a powerful feeling of dislike toward somebody or something considered to be worthless, inferior, or undeserving of respect.

It is one thing to disagree with someone's politics and worldview, and OK to attack them on their beliefs, but unless you have some evidence that she is a prostitute, I think it is not too much to ask to not call her one.

[microgood]

You sound like one of those violent, not very nice types of Christians. One person said something not complimentary of Obama’s wife. In response, you said something not complimentary of that person. That makes you no better. No worse either, but certainly no better.

I do not understand what you are saying. If someone called my wife a prostitute, I would call them on it. And, following the Golden rule, if I called someone else's wife a prostitute, I would expect the same.

Political disagreements are one thing, calling someone a whore is quite another.

[shhrubbery!]

calling someone a whore

Aha. Now I see what inspired your comment calling the original poster un-Christian...you think the word "wench" means "whore."

I'd suggest you call out the original poster on that point, rather than slandering him as un-Christian. He might not have meant the word the way you took it.

"Wench" can simply mean the opposite of lady (in the old-fashioned sense of "lady" meaning a gracious woman, regardless of her economic or social status).

Michelle Obama has amply demonstrated that she is harsh, negative, rude, and condescending. She lacks class in the sense that she is completely un-gracious. "Wench" might not be the word I'd choose for that kind of woman, but it isn't necessarily the wrong word.

For the record, I'm not real thrilled with Cindy McCain either. But for different reasons.

[microgood]

The definition of Christianity isn't "will accept anything". Do you remember the story where Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple? He didn't "feel their pain" or empathize with them or accept their differences. He made a judgment and threw them out. I have to assume your position in life is not "to be a Christian" but to sanctimoniously attempt to use Christianity against believers.

All I know is that my grandparents were quite Christian and if I would have called Michelle Obama a slut in front of Grandp, he would have knocked me on my ass.

I just would hope on FR that we focus on the issues and behaviors of the candidates and not personally slander them. Civility is a trait that no longer applies to this country. That is sad and I think it is partly because we have abandoned our Christian roots and beliefs.

[Lizavetta]

From dictionary.com:

c.1290 wenche "girl or young woman," shortened from wenchel "child" (12c.), from O.E. wencel, probably related to wancol "unsteady, fickle, weak," and cognate with O.N. vakr "child, weak person," O.H.G. wanchal "fickle." The word degenerated through being used in ref. to servant girls, and by 1362 was being used in a sense of "woman of loose morals, mistress." The verb meaning "to associate with common women" is from 1599.

[PapaBear3625]

Christianity has a lot to do with a concept called the Golden Rule or at least that is what I was taught. So someone making this statement: "If Obama has a low class loud mouth wench for a wife"

So you're telling us that you wish to ignore that Obama has a low class loud mouth wench for a wife, because you would rather that nobody said that you have a low class loud mouth wench for a wife?

[mware]

push poll is a political campaign technique in which an individual or organization attempts to influence or alter the view of respondents under the guise of conducting a poll. In a push poll, large numbers of respondents are contacted, and little or no effort is made to collect and analyze response data. Instead, the push poll is a form of telemarketing-based propaganda and rumor mongering, masquerading as a poll. Push polls are generally viewed as a form of negative campaigning [1]. The term is also sometimes used inaccurately to refer to legitimate polls which test political messages, some of which may be negative. Push polling has been condemned by the American Association of Political Consultants,[citation needed] and is illegal in New Hampshire.,

The mildest forms of push polling are designed merely to remind voters of a particular issue. For instance, a push poll might ask respondents to rank candidates based on their support of abortion in order to get voters thinking about that issue.

More negative are attacks on another candidate by using polls. These attacks often contain information with little or no basis in fact.

One way to distinguish between push polling as a tactic and polls which legitimately seek information is the sample size. Genuine polls make do with small, representative samples, whereas push polls can be very large, like any other mass marketing effort.

True push polls tend to be very short, with only a handful of questions, so as to make as many calls as possible. Any data obtained (if used at all) is secondary in importance to negatively impacting the targeted candidate. Legitimate polls are often used by candidates to test potential messages. They frequently ask about either positive and negative statements about any or all major candidates in an election and always ask demographic information at the end.

The main advantage of push polls is that they are an effective way of maligning an opponent ("pushing" voters towards a predetermined point of view) while avoiding direct responsibility for the distorted or false information used in the push poll. They are risky for this same reason: if credible evidence emerges that the polls were directly ordered by a campaign/candidate, it would do serious "backfire" damage to that campaign. Push polls are also relatively expensive, having a far higher cost per voter than radio or television commercials. Thus, push polls are most used in elections with fewer voters, such as party primaries, or in close elections where a relatively small change in votes can mean victory or defeat.

[mware]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll

[PapaBear3625]

And George Bush got a 1600 on his SATs????

Bush got a 1206 SAT (before recentering, which corresponds to 1280 after they dumbed down the test). Which while not National Merit Scholar range, is not so bad

[Polybius]

BUT, I THINK THE REAL REASON THAT THE NYT SLIMED MCCAIN WAS TO GET MICHELLE "I'M FINALLY PROUD" OBAMA OFF THE FRONT PAGES AND OFF THE 24/7 CABLE NEWS CYCLE!... it worked.

Be that as it may, YouTube links will flood the Internet until November.

Michelle Obama said it TWICE in TWO DIFFERENT SPEECHES.

[Charles Henrickson]

MICHELLE, DUMBBELL
Tune: "Michelle"

Michelle, dumbbell
You say words that call our country hell
Mad Michelle

Michelle, dumbbell
Now we know you're just traitorous scum
Traitorous scum

"I wasn't too proud of my country"
That's what you had to say
Why don't you go away
You can stay in lovely lands like France or Afghanistan

Michelle, dumbbell
Now we know you're just traitorous scum
Traitorous scum

I need to proceed to secede you
I need to make you leave
This place that makes you grieve
Until I do I'm hoping you will please shut your trap

I mean you . . .

I want ya to move to Botswana
Or maybe Mozambique
I'm sure it's very chic
And run don't walk, go get Barack and take him along

Michelle, dumbbell
Now we know you're just traitorous scum
Traitorous scum

And you can stay in lovely lands like France or Afghanistan
Mad Michelle

[microgood]

So you're telling us that you wish to ignore that Obama has a low class loud mouth wench for a wife, because you would rather that nobody said that you have a low class loud mouth wench for a wife?

I am saying that calling Michelle Obama a slut is wrong and says alot more about you than her.

[ronnie raygun]

This is a score, I can’t wait for the next Michelle Obama “how I view America and race relations” to spill out of that “controlled for now” arrogant mouth of hers. LIKE WIFE LIKE HUSBAND! DO YOU WANT THIS WOMMAN AS YOUR FIRST LADY

[DMZFrank]

Michelle Obama hasn’t said one thing about the US before the year 2007 that would make her proud to be a citizen of the greatest nation in the history of mankind that has placed her amongst the most privliged of the elite in this country.
I never thought that I would see a spouse of a presidential candidate who was more of a radical, narcissistic, arrogant, hubristic, self-entitled, and maddening solipsist than Hilary Clinton. To the nation’s dismay, I think we have found her. She is the Obama campaign loose cannon Benito Mussolini face of liberal facism that Barack Hussein Obama is so careful to mask.

[Southerngl]

Well, if they were pushing for Hillary, they found out she is more evil in my mind than him.

[cricket]

Well, for sure 'words mean things'; but typically they mean more than 'one' thing. If not inclined to ask that writer 'which' definition they might be referencing; might be better to give benefit of the doubt. . .or ask.

From The Heritage Dictionay:

n. 1. A young woman or girl, especially a peasant girl. 2. A woman servant. 3. A wanton woman. intr.v. wenched, wench·ing, wench·es To consort or engage in sex with wanton women. Used of a man.

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[Middle English, short for wenchel, child, from Old English wencel.]

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ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. wench - informal terms for a (young) woman dame, doll, chick, bird, skirt fille, girl, miss, missy, young lady, young woman - a young woman; "a young lady of 18" Verb 1. wench - frequent prostitutes fornicate - have sex without being married