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1 posted on 02/23/2008 10:04:42 PM PST by Tahts-a-dats-ago
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

Gun-free zones are a magnet to mass-murderers.


2 posted on 02/23/2008 10:13:04 PM PST by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

That’s about as effective as making them idiot free zones.


3 posted on 02/23/2008 10:16:54 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago
"Should college campuses be gun free zones?

I love the liberal mind. They are saying that a mass murderer, who will kill as many people as he can in cold blood wouldnt dare violate a gun control law like a "gun free zone". I mean, murdering as many people as you can is one thing, but who would step over the line and violate a "gun free zone" law?

Well no one would of course. Brilliant!

5 posted on 02/23/2008 10:19:22 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

I have mixed feelings. Constitutionally, every one has a right to bear arms. Yet, I am uncomfortable with the idea that everyone should be allowed to carry on campus. Pervasive use of drugs and alcohol being my major concern. The fact that “children” are not becoming “adults” as early as they once did being another.

Feel free to convince me.


6 posted on 02/23/2008 10:21:30 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

Gun free zone... another name for liberal fantasy land.


7 posted on 02/23/2008 10:27:52 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago; All
The following article concerns a gun-related incident that took place on a Virginia campus a few years before last year's VT tragedy. The article indicates that the renegade student was stopped by other students who had locked guns in their cars. In fact, the other students were able to disarm the renegade student before the police arrived at the scene.
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/04/when-mass-killers-meet-armed-resistance.html
Also, despite our 2nd A. protections, the Swiss have distinguished themselves as leaders in integrating firearms management into their culture, effectively reducing crime.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/guns-crime-swiss.html

8 posted on 02/23/2008 10:32:07 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

Sure. Let’s let them be mass slaughter zones instead.


10 posted on 02/23/2008 10:39:31 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

Well, they’re already learning-free zones, and truth-free zones, and free-speech-free zones...why not?


15 posted on 02/23/2008 11:04:00 PM PST by americanophile
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago
"Any comments..."

I have a friend who is a radio commentator here in Fairbanks who prefers to refer to "gun free zones" as "Target Rich Environments" instead.

If you're willing to do a little Internet Research, I seem to recall a woman who testified before Congress a few years ago and several State Legislatures thereafter regarding Concealed Carry Weapons (CCW) Permit Legislation that was proposed before several State Legislatures.

If I recall (and I could get some of the facts wrong so please do verify), she used to carry a handgun but one day she had an appointment to have Lunch with her parents in a Restaurant in Killeen, Texas. Yep, you guessed it; they were in a little place call Luby's Restaurant. She decided to obey the law and removed her pistol from her purse and locked it in the trunk of her car before she and her parents entered the restaurant. Shortly thereafter a man who was shortly to become famous (or infamous) drove his vehicle through the front window of the restaurant and then got out of hte vehicle with a gun in hand and proceeded to start killing the patrons.

According to later testimony, she reached for her pistol only to remember that she'd left it in the trunk of her car. She watched helplessly as the psychopath proceeded to walk ever closer to her table. I believe her father decided to 'rush' the gunman and try to save his wife and daughter but wa shot down for his attempt. The gunman then shot her mother and would have shot her as well but that's when the police arrived and ended his shooting rampage. She lived but her father and mother were the last two people to die in that massacre and she could have stopped it had she kept the pistol in her purse!

When you decide to declare someplace like that a "gun free zone" (or if you prefer, a "target rich environment"), the psychopaths will know that very likely there will be no one to stop them until the police arrive. That means that a whole lot of people are going to die unless someone decides to break the law and "carry" in defiance of the law.

I think the law needs to be changed to allow CCW - that's the only way that safety of the ordinary citizenry can be assured!

17 posted on 02/23/2008 11:13:45 PM PST by Friend_from_the_Frozen_North (If you are, as Rush would say, "A Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance" don't waste my time...)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

If that guy out in Reno was raping and killing the professors instead of just the students you better believe that the school would be advocating that everyone take advantage of Nevada’s open carry laws.


18 posted on 02/23/2008 11:15:51 PM PST by fella (Is he al-taquiya or is he murtadd? Only his iman knows for sure.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago
VA Tech was a gun free zone. That worked real well.
20 posted on 02/23/2008 11:19:21 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

how bout liberal free?


23 posted on 02/23/2008 11:46:38 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago
Style critique: Back off the purple prose. When you have the "leg-irons of socialism" in the first sentence, a lot of folks will tune out immediately. Better to set up a little background on VT and NIU, and get straight to the argument without an overwrought preamble.

Substance: Yes, campuses should be gun-free zones, with the exception of security, and even they could probably get by with pepper spray and tasers.

Problem is, declaring a "gun-free zone" don't make it so. A a great many have noted, signs and policies are no impediment to someone with murder in mind. If you could erect a magic shield that would exclude all unauthorized firearms from campus, I'd endorse it. But it doesn't exist, and the half-measures in place do more harm than good.

Here I'll offer a critique of some of the arguments on the RKBA side: Don't overplay the NIU or VT cases. If students were allowed, even encouraged, to carry concealed, it doesn't mean that all would.

What percentage of eligible citizens in "shall-issue" states get a permit, let alone carry routinely? I'd expect the percentage among college students to be lower, because kids feel safe on campus, whether they actually are or not. I'd guess one in 100 would be a high-end estimate. Higher if your campus has a lot of veterans on the GI Bill, or cops and servicemen continuing their education.

At NIU, it is possible that a strapped civilian could have stopped the assault, but it's unlikely. It happened without warning, in one classroom, and by the time the cops arrived two minutes later, it was all over. The odds that there would be someone with a CCW in the room, that he could grasp what's going on, get to his weapon, line up a shot and drop the shooter before he dropped himself. Not great odds.

On the other hand, it was armed citizens who kept Charles Whitman pinned down during his UT tower spree, and a Texas Ranger and an instantly-deputized citizen who went to the top of the tower and took him down.

25 posted on 02/23/2008 11:52:11 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago; Admin Moderator

I tried following the links, and ended up in some kind of internet chain-letter zone.

Get stuffed, and keep this tripe to yourself.


32 posted on 02/24/2008 4:06:25 AM PST by Don W (Vote YOUR Honor, or it could become: Vote, your Honor.....)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago
When I was in high school, the typical vehicle in the parking lot for the young men were pickup trucks. The typical status symbol was your rear window gun rack and what you displayed. Low end of this class/status system was a .22 rifle and it progressed upwards by adding a scope, then a shotgun, then a deer rifle. The high powered deer rifle was usually a 30-30 lever action progressing to semi-autos and of course those were scoped. If you had empty slots in your gun rack, you filled those with a either baseball bat or golf clubs and we never heard of a school shooting.
35 posted on 02/24/2008 4:33:31 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Tahts-a-dats-ago

Students and staff should have the option to carry.


37 posted on 02/24/2008 5:07:18 AM PST by navygal (Numbers 6:24-26)
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To: underground
Nice article! I like the high brow language personally but the article may lose some mass appeal on that. I have no problem with free college but a "gun-free" college sounds kind of scary - definitely not safe. I think the important part you stress, the philosophy of freedom, is forgotten so often in these schools that are supposed to be educating our students.
48 posted on 03/08/2008 9:01:45 AM PST by underground
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