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To: HAL9000

>> It would be best if Obama wins Texas and Ohio. Then Hillary can use her dirty tricks to get enough delegates.

I see two “acceptable” (to me) outcomes from the Dem convention.

What you outline — a bloody fight (I’m hoping for actual riots on the floor of the hall!) with Hillary ending up on top — is one of them. If Hillary is the nominee only after subterfuge, she will be damaged goods going into the General and will be easy to fight and easy to beat. And whole demographic groups of Democraps (young, black) will be DEmotivated to vote for her. Some may even vote McCain, if he ends up the (R) nominee as seems likely.

The other is for Obama to come out the candidate. Unlike some here on the board, once he’s no longer running in the echo chamber of Democrat primary activists, I think he is easily beatable. That makes it the (R) candidate’s to lose — if the (R) will fight! I think “fighting” Obama will be trickier in some ways. But for someone with the guts to put aside political correctness and go toe-to-toe with him, beating him is straightforward IMHO.

Just my 2c. But both scenarios are predicated on Obama having a healthy delegate lead going into the convention. That’s why I’m voting for the Llama in the Tx primary.


11 posted on 02/24/2008 2:07:22 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: Nervous Tick
I would prefer that Hillary is defeated in the primaries. That would be ideal.

But if she wins the nomination, I hope to see Obama delegates walk out of the convention.

Plan A and Plan B.

13 posted on 02/24/2008 2:15:18 AM PST by HAL9000 ("If someone who has access to the press says something over and over again, people believe it"- B.C.)
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To: Nervous Tick
(I’m hoping for actual riots on the floor of the hall!)

You could be right. Here's why:

Tavis Smiley Catches Hell for Barack Bashing Posted Feb 19th 2008 10:40AM by Faye Anderson Filed under: BlackSpin, Elections, Barack Obama

This weekend thousands of black history makers will gather in New Orleans for Tavis Smiley's annual State of the Black Union. One prominent African American will be conspicuous by his absence: Barack Obama.

Obama sent his regrets in a letter: "In the final stretch, I will be on the campaign trail everyday in states like Ohio, Texas and Wisconsin talking directly with voters about the causes that are at the heart of my campaign and the State of the Black Union forum such as affordable health care, housing, economic opportunity, civil rights and foreign policy. I am committed to touching every voter, and working to earn their vote."

Smiley is being raked over the coals and "catching hell" for criticizing Obama and turning down Michelle Obama as a surrogate.

Essence.com contributor Roland Martin supports Obama's decision not to go. Martin offered this excuse: "He can't be defined again as the black candidate. Some will say he must avoid black folks to be more palatable to whites and Hispanics. I disagree. But you can't deny the reality that he's running for president of the United States and not president of Black America. The week of the South Carolina was all about race, and he knows that is not a winning discussion because of this nation's history."

Martin added: "His campaign successfully beat back that issue since South Carolina, winning nearly all-white states like Utah, Idaho, Montana, Minnesota, Delaware, Connecticut, and Nebraska. Obama is looking to have mass appeal, and showing up in New Orleans at a State of the Black Union event doesn't help him at all in a close race."

Obama and his supporters want to have it both ways. Blacks are obligated to support Obama out of racial pride. Those who support Hillary Clinton are race traitors, haters, Uncle Toms, crabs-in-a-barrel.

But Obama feels no obligation to show appreciation for the ones who have powered him to front-runner status in "the final stretch." Texas is right next door. How much time would it take out of his schedule to show up?

There's a political maxim that "you dance with the one who brung ya." Black voters brought Obama this far. If he is the Democratic nominee and wins in November, it will not be voters in "nearly all-white states" who bring him over the finish line.

http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/02/19/smileys-black-history-makers/#cont

16 posted on 02/24/2008 2:55:51 AM PST by madconserv (Help me I'm lost , I only know who not to vote for ...Jesus take the wheel)
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