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1 posted on 02/25/2008 1:13:12 PM PST by Caleb1411
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2 posted on 02/25/2008 1:15:37 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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"Puritanism - the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." -- H.L Mencken
3 posted on 02/25/2008 1:19:51 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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So . . . to cure the ills of American society . . . go talk to someone about Jesus Christ. Who woulda thunk it?


4 posted on 02/25/2008 1:20:29 PM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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Too much pleasure, too few children

I find pleasure and children to be very closely correlated. I wonder why the author doesn't ...

8 posted on 02/25/2008 1:25:04 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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9 posted on 02/25/2008 1:25:19 PM PST by live+let_live
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Why should expanding individual freedoms lead to demographic disaster? Because cultures that don't organize their collective lives around the family create policies and structures that privilege autonomous individuals at the family's expense.

Families are primarily strengthened by one ancient tradition: arranged marriage. Elders trade the lives of their daughters for gold and influence. In the absence of that practice and others now deemed abhorrent to modern society, families have inevitably become less important. The Muslims with their ego-mad, daughter-killing men are actually reminding us what the "strong family" model looks like in action. It ain't a pretty picture, for anyone capable of independent thought.

This is one of the sillier articles I've read recently - unless perhaps the author is in fact a shill for the Mohammedans? ;)

20 posted on 02/25/2008 1:33:29 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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This is an interesting thesis. The problem is that if being family-oriented is such a big deal, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore ought to have sky-high birth-rates. Instead, their birth rates are almost half of what we see stateside. I think the real problem is that in non-agrarian societies where parents are expect to pay their childrens’ way through college, kids are an economic liability rather than an asset. In fact, the family-orientedness of East Asian societies makes this worse - for as long as they remain single, the children continue to leech off their parents after they grow to adulthood instead of moving out and living on their own.


21 posted on 02/25/2008 1:33:48 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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sorry, but I am not bringing a child into this here world. Difficult times lie ahead, and I don’t believe it would be fair to the child.

Plus I am selfish and lazy and like kids only marginally.


24 posted on 02/25/2008 1:36:40 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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Religions that lack a strong pro-fertility component don't survive over time, he observed; nor do cultures that don't have a powerfully natalist religion.

Just ask the Shakers - well if there still were Shakers you could.

34 posted on 02/25/2008 1:45:28 PM PST by hometoroost (...the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo)
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Thus, since the 18th century, the atomistic family has been the Western cultural norm. ... Here's the problem: Societies ruled by the atomistic family model, with its loosening of constraints on its individual members, quit having enough children to carry on.

Doesn't exactly explain the truly massive population explosion in the USA and most of Western Europe during the 19th century, does it?

40 posted on 02/25/2008 1:52:15 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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I’m doing my part, with four daughters, while living modestly, and driving the wheels off of the cars.

The children are blessed with good friends from good family’s. What not to like.


41 posted on 02/25/2008 1:53:01 PM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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When the Roman Empire fell in the fifth century, the strong trustee families of the barbarian tribes replaced the weak, atomistic Roman families as the foundation of society.

The Roman Empire didn't fall in the fifth century, the Western Roman Empire fell.

The Eastern Empire kept plugging along for just about a thousand more years.

Any claims about the "cause" of the Fall need to explain why the Eastern Empire didn't fall when the Western part did. Were families stronger in the East than the West?

46 posted on 02/25/2008 1:58:03 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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BTTT


47 posted on 02/25/2008 1:58:26 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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Following on the heels of Greece and Rome? Oh yes we are. The handwriting is on the wall.


54 posted on 02/25/2008 2:05:43 PM PST by Chili Girl
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Like it or not, the future belongs to the fecund faithful.

Heh. Just celebrated the birth of my 20th grandkid.

66 posted on 02/25/2008 2:29:37 PM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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Sex with a purpose is so not hot.


70 posted on 02/25/2008 2:35:38 PM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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Like it or not, the future belongs to the fecund faithful.

The Hispanic birthrate in the US is twice the birthrate of the general population. And 45% are born out of wedlock.

83 posted on 02/25/2008 2:51:46 PM PST by kabar
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93 posted on 02/25/2008 3:12:14 PM PST by JOAT
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“When the Roman Empire fell in the fifth century, the strong trustee families of the barbarian tribes replaced the weak, atomistic Roman families as the foundation of society....”

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I thought St. Augustine answered the question “Why did Rome fall” in his tome “City of God”....


102 posted on 02/25/2008 3:44:07 PM PST by kiriath_jearim
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104 posted on 02/25/2008 3:55:37 PM PST by EveningStar
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