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Montanans Insist on Gun Rights
The Washington Times ^ | February 25, 2008 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 02/25/2008 3:21:43 PM PST by kellynla

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To: unkus
See what GOA says about McCain.

MORE GUN CONTROL: McCAIN-LIEBERMAN FR April '01

Gun Owners of America on McCain's Record.

GUNS AND SCHOOLS: THE POLITICS (McCain tries to grab guns, 1999)

61 posted on 02/25/2008 10:10:17 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: wastedyears

The m14 days are just about over. As I posted previously. The FN SCAR heavy is taking it’s place. The bolt action rifles are going away too. Snipers will be using an accurized version of the SCAR heavy. As for the 415, yep, that’s the one I was referring to when I said an m16 with AK gas system. It’s good. The US military isn’t buying it though. They’re going to go with the FN SCAR light instead.

From what I’m told, the SCAR rifle is a little bit M1 carbine, and a little bit stoner, with M16-ish furnature and FN details. They aren’t yet available to the general public, but this fall they should be. THey will be very expensive though. I’m getting guestimates from 2800 to 4 grand for the SCAR light. The SCAR heavy will probably be more.

I would expect to see all the various AR manufacturers producing a version of the 416 very soon, if they aren’t already.


62 posted on 02/26/2008 5:48:34 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: unkus

McCain is a gun grabber. If he gets the chance.


63 posted on 02/26/2008 5:52:13 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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To: mamelukesabre
A heavy rock has militia utility. As does a butter knife, a box of toothpicks, an empty mason jar, or a 500' roll of CAT 5e cable.

Improvised or antiquated weapons aren't ideal, but to categorically ignore certain classes of weapons just because they aren't as effective as an M134-D or an M60-E3 is just plain ignorant.

64 posted on 02/26/2008 6:15:03 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: mamelukesabre

AR10 is over rated. Go for the DPMS variant the LR-308. Sub-MOA out of the box and garnering really good reviews.


65 posted on 02/26/2008 6:16:17 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: kellynla

mmmmmmm, state’s rights, again???

Seems to me the government would have learned that lesson the first time around...

Instead of the “North - South” thing this time...

It may be the Mid-West vs. the East, and West Coasts this time...


66 posted on 02/26/2008 6:35:05 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: OKSooner

Texas is pretty much there as well...Remember we were a separate Republic, that was invited and begged to join the Union...

I believe there is a similar stipulation or clause in our papers...Somewhere around here I got those...ahhhh, there around here somewhere...

Texas can beat feet anytime it wants, not just because of this issue...

At least thats what I would prefer...;-)


67 posted on 02/26/2008 6:54:46 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: stevie_d_64

I would figure some southern states, I don’t know if Florida would join in, and the midwest, vs. east and left coasts.

Or maybe we’ll get lucky and it’ll be 30 odd states or so vs. the FedGov IN D.C.


68 posted on 02/26/2008 7:36:28 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: mamelukesabre

Is the FN SCAR able to be submersed in water, or put in sand, taken out, shaken then fired without a problem?

It also looks highly modular. But so is the HK 416.

I’d prefer the Heckler and Koch.


69 posted on 02/26/2008 7:37:43 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Great for Montana, the state where even most Democrats appear to be very pro-gun.


70 posted on 02/26/2008 8:15:43 AM PST by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: kellynla
There is no such thing as a "collective right". To even consider such a concept is to fundamentally abdicate the basis of our government and the Constitution which defines it.

The very authority of our government springs from the inherent authority of the citizens, the individuals. The government governs only because of that authority and the consent of those individuals that it should do so.

In other words, all authority and all rights are individual first. Groups of individuals combine their authority to grant limited authority to the government to do certain things.

But the government never has rights. It has only duties.

It absolutely cannot have a "right" which is not possessed by the individuals who give it its authority!

The very moment the citizens of the USA accept the idea that a government has rights, our form of government will have entered its final stage of disintegration.

71 posted on 02/26/2008 8:25:31 AM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: mamelukesabre
Really? I haven’t seen any 303 in years. THere’s no military on the planet still using it.

Haven't been to Nepal or Pakistan lately, have you?

Besides, chicks dig 'em!

72 posted on 02/26/2008 8:31:06 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Resolute Conservative

There’s more. Last year Montana passed a law that allows anyone buying a gun manufactured AND sold in Montana to be without obligation to federal firearms laws. Since no interstate commerce takes place, you simply order it, buy it and walk away.

The list of Montana gun manufacturers is pretty small, but it’s the thought that counts!


73 posted on 02/26/2008 12:01:22 PM PST by familyof5
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To: mamelukesabre
A 303 british is just about useless. Where are you going to get reliable ammo?

.303 is a fine cartridge. Load up your own ammo; components are easy to find.

The cartridge was originally designed to stop a cavalry charge by killing the horses at 600 yards.

74 posted on 02/26/2008 12:17:38 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: archy

Aren’t those actually Ishapore 2A Enfields, chambered for .308?


75 posted on 02/26/2008 12:26:13 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Aren’t those actually Ishapore 2A Enfields, chambered for .308?

Surprisingly, most of the SMLEs carried by the Maoist insurgents in Nepal over the last decade or so have been .303s, often but not always product of the old Ishapore small arms factory in the Indian sub-division of Barrackpore, outside Calcutta, where they've been turning out arms and munitions since 1791. Their production of the SMLE during two Great Wars was extensive, and continued until around 1958 when the new 7,62 NATO rifle cartreidge was adopted by the Commonwealth. But the facilities were still available to turn out those final 1A and 1A1 iterations of the SMLE for the new chambering. They were Not just rebarrelling jobs, the receivers requiring a better grade of steel and heat treating than the earlier .303 SMLEs.

However, the 2A and 2A1 7.62 *police rifles* seen fairly often in India were not as common in Nepal, where a standard FAL SLR was the choice if a 7.62 NATO rifle was to be used.


76 posted on 02/26/2008 2:25:41 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: DuncanWaring
The cartridge was originally designed to stop a cavalry charge by killing the horses at 600 yards.

That was back in the black powder days of 1888, the year of the adoption of the .303 for the service rifle and cartridge of Great Britain.

When developed to the Mark VII loading most commonly used during the Second World War- and the Australians wouldn't give up their SMLEs until after the Korean Conflict, in which they participated- it was also suitable for use as a long-distance machinegun round...the firing tables and ballistic *slide rule* for which was graduated out to 2800 yards, just a bit over a mile and a half.


77 posted on 02/26/2008 2:33:58 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

No, not lately, not soon, not a long time ago, and most likely not ever.


78 posted on 02/26/2008 3:04:41 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: DuncanWaring

They all were designed for that back then. 30-06 included.

But the 303 is an oddball. It’s got a rimmed case and a bullet of odd diameter not used by other 30 caliber rifles. It’s not even worth getting dies for in my opinion.


79 posted on 02/26/2008 3:29:53 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Interesting. I didn’t know DPMS made a version. THanks.


80 posted on 02/26/2008 3:31:11 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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