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1 posted on 02/28/2008 8:55:58 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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“Remember that screaming may be just as important to your defense as any weapon.”

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It certainly helped Karen Genovese.../sarc


2 posted on 02/28/2008 8:56:46 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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Liberal claptrap from the Illinois State Police. No practical advice offered for how to defend yourself from criminals. Gee, that PC "conflict resolution" garbage works so well when you're seriously injured or dead, right? If they really believe their own advice, they should go out on patrol without their sidearm and take a chance.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 02/28/2008 8:58:56 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Where did I leave my 9mm?

Dumb ass IL State Police.

If I have a gun they might use it on me.

If I have a cellphone they might take it away.


4 posted on 02/28/2008 9:00:59 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm X)
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If you must fight

Guns stolen from residences are a primary way of getting guns into the hands of criminals.

I don't believe this is true. It certainly does not belong under the heading "If you must fight."

What, before you're ready to confront the rapist with harsh language and vomit, you are supposed to know that gun thefts can occur? This makes no sense. Maybe Blagogevich wrote it.

5 posted on 02/28/2008 9:03:00 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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Bump


9 posted on 02/28/2008 9:06:24 AM PST by sport
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"There is documentation of assailants that left a would-be-victim alone after she told him that she was pregnant and it would kill her baby."

Admittedly, I don't have the stats to back me up, but I'd be willing to bet there's lots more documentation out there where the assailant went ahead and killed the pregnant victim and her baby.

10 posted on 02/28/2008 9:09:12 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results. So that's why my wife keeps doing that! Thanks

12 posted on 02/28/2008 9:13:24 AM PST by JZelle
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It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results. (This method is not often used except as a last resort.)

Use your imagination and you can think of others.

Ummmm... OK. How about pointing a Colt Python at the perp and telling him you will blow his head off if he doesn't start puking in five seconds?

14 posted on 02/28/2008 9:14:21 AM PST by San Jacinto
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As a former LEO 98% of line officers do not feel this way. we hated when upper echelon made these statements. I encouraged law abiding citizens to carry a weapon and never arrested anyone I found carrying one unless they were a felon, using it unlawfully, or in possession when committing another crime.

I routinely found persons carrying guns when I stopped them. We treated every car as loaded and no telling how many I stopped that had one and I did not know it.


16 posted on 02/28/2008 9:19:52 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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Works for me. Particularly if you keep one of these in your purse.

18 posted on 02/28/2008 9:22:13 AM PST by NonLinear ("They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge." -Thomas B Reed)
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Guns stolen from residences are a primary way of getting guns into the hands of criminals.

Is it just me or did it seem like this sentence was just thrown in. It didn't really fit with the rest of the topic. I mean if they wanted to go there they could have put this sentence someone else, but here it's just like a glaring afterthought like "we have to put an anti-gun statement in somewhere...this looks good"

19 posted on 02/28/2008 9:23:22 AM PST by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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"When you have to shoot someone, don't talk just shoot!"

20 posted on 02/28/2008 9:30:14 AM PST by Mat_Helm
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Just sent this to the ISP:

Who is the clown that wrote that piece of garbage called “Before you fight...”? It is so full of useless and mis- information that you are going to get a LOT of innocent folks KILLED if any of them take you seriously. I realize that in Illinois, you strongly favor disarming all your victims, sort of like hanging a “Rob Me” or “Rape Me” sign around their necks. But this piece of crap article is so far over the top that, were it done in my Marine Corps back in the 60s, whoever wrote it would be up on charges and spend the rest of his or her life in the brig. What an utterly asinine bit of writing.

In order to do your job properly, you should be offering classes in firearm safety and marksmanship. Even subsidize the purchase of arms for your poor, if needs be, because, though I KNOW you hate facts, the actual fact of the matter is that when the absolute RIGHT of people to keep and bear arms is RESPECTED, CRIME GOES DOWN. Even someone as dense as most of you seem to be can understand cause and effect. What you are doing is as criminal as what a mugger on the street does... only worse, because people, however misguidedly, look to YOU to protect them from criminals, not BE the criminals.

Very truly happy NOT to be in your jurisdiction,

DC Wright
USMC Retired


21 posted on 02/28/2008 9:40:40 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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That’s how the cops defend themselves - isn’t it?


25 posted on 02/28/2008 10:14:51 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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Since many attacks on women are not sexually motivated, and are designed to degrade and humiliate, talking your way out of it may be easier.

There is documentation of assailants that left a would-be-victim alone after she told him that she was pregnant and it would kill her baby. (Some case were women that were too old to even have a baby.) Telling an attacker that you have VD or AIDS can discourage him.

It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results. (This method is not often used except as a last resort.)

Use your imagination and you can think of others.

offer to join forces with the perp and help kick your own ass


26 posted on 02/28/2008 10:30:32 AM PST by daku ("My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.")
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Articles common to your handbag that make useful defense weapons.

.38 cal Charter Arms 5 round revolver.


So, where does that leave us as Born Again Christians? Can we use deadly force to protect one another? Can we use deadly force to protect others? Can we who preach, use deadly force to protect those we preach to? The answer to every one of the questions above is YES, BUT.

Yes, you can use deadly force, for you will not loose your salvation by taking a life in defense of yourself, your family, your congregation or even a stranger in your midst.

BUT. Before you go out and buy yourself a .50 cal sniper rifle, there are a few things you should keep in mind before pulling the trigger or even unholstering a gun.

In order to demonstrate these things, I'm going to put to you, a few cases for your consideration.

What if you were to be coming home and you notice a commotion inside your house. You look in and your wife, son and daughter are on their knees praying to the Lord while a BATF agent is holding an uzi at their heads, screaming at them to renounce Christ or die. Do you shoot this deranged, but for the BATF normal, federal agent?

How about this, you're walking up to your brother's house and you see your nephew doing drugs and having a homosexual relationship. Suddenly it turns nasty and his homosexual partner pulls out a knife and lunges at your nephew. Do you intervene and shoot the attacker to save your nephew?

And one for Pastors. It's Wednesday night, you have twenty of the true faithful in your church or home praying and studying the Word of God, when suddenly a person comes in shooting and yelling. Do you take him out?

In each case the answer is the same, yes you can shoot and kill. But, should you? Each has to answer that question for themselves. Let's look a little closer at the results of the action of shooting or not shooting.

A BATF agent is going to shoot your family if they don't renounce the Lord. Two things to keep in mind here. One, you kids and wife are on their knees praying to the Lord, they are Saved. If the BATF agent kills them they go straight into the hands and arms of the Lord. If you shoot the agent, that agent goes straight to hell!

Let's look at the second case. Your nephew is undoubtably not Saved, he is doing drugs and having a homosexual relationship. But then again the attacker isn't Saved either. If you shoot the attacker you send him to hell! If he kills your nephew, he sends your nephew to hell. Should you pray for Gods guidance and forgiveness and pull the trigger?

But, pastors, what about question three? I know what I would do, or at least I think I do. But what you should or shouldn't do, I can not say. But I will say this, if in that prayer meeting you have one or two that have not accepted the Lord yet and been Born Again or if you have a few you're not sure about, you might want to consider doing something. For if they are killed before accepting the Lord, then Satan gets their souls for all eternity.

The bottom line is this. When you pull the trigger, you are not only killing that person, you are probably sending them straight to hell. For the chances of a Born Again Christian doing the attacking is almost non existent.

But, keep in mind this, your pulling the trigger is not a salvation issue for your soul, not if you are Born Again.

For the Lord Himself has told us:

Mark 3:28-29

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

All sins include the use of a gun to end the life of one while saving or defending the life of another.

27 posted on 02/28/2008 10:34:20 AM PST by deuteronlmy232
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but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results.

Putting your finger on the trigger and making your pistol "vomit" usually gets results, too!

29 posted on 02/28/2008 10:45:29 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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"Use your imagination and you can think of others."

How about a gunsite pointed between their eyes?
31 posted on 02/28/2008 10:50:52 AM PST by jaydubya2
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Articles common to your handbag that make useful defense weapons, HANDGUNS....

nail file rat tail comb teasing brush pens and pencils keys anything rigid

Concentrate on these areas only when combating an assailant.

Center of Body Mass, groin eyes ears nose throat

There, fixed it.


32 posted on 02/28/2008 11:16:37 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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Who wrote this claptrap - Muggers Inc.?

Don't Fight?

Sorry - the fight has already started when you are attacked, manhandled, groped, or subject to any kind of threat or force.

If you guess wrong you are raped, beaten, dead or all three.

Your first responsibility is to protect yourself.
Once the conflict is opened by an aggressor take your shot and and you won't have to take a chance on guessing wrong.

This holds true for men and women.

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33 posted on 02/28/2008 11:22:34 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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