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Quaker teacher fired for changing loyalty oath
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/29/8 | Nanette Asimov

Posted on 02/29/2008 8:06:30 AM PST by SmithL

California State University East Bay has fired a math teacher after six weeks on the job because she inserted the word "nonviolently" in her state-required Oath of Allegiance form.

Marianne Kearney-Brown, a Quaker and graduate student who began teaching remedial math to undergrads Jan. 7, lost her $700-a-month part-time job after refusing to sign an 87-word Oath of Allegiance to the Constitution that the state requires of elected officials and public employees.

"I don't think it was fair at all," . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: calstateeastbay; constitution; oathofoffice; quaker; yourtaxdollarsatwork

1 posted on 02/29/2008 8:06:32 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I didn’t think Quakers took oaths at all . . . or is that Amish?


2 posted on 02/29/2008 8:07:43 AM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: SmithL
"I don't think it was fair at all," . . .

Who said life was fair?

3 posted on 02/29/2008 8:09:20 AM PST by mnehring ("Ronald Reagan has made Jimmy Carter look like a conservative..."- Ron Paul)
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To: Greg F

She crossed out “oath” or whatever and put in “affirm.” Makes sense to me now.


4 posted on 02/29/2008 8:10:24 AM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: SmithL

it is fair... if she’s allowed to change the oath, others will need to be allowed to change the oath... she could defend the Constitution non-violently without spelling it out... the oath did not spell out that she must defend the Constitution by any means necessary... she just wants to make a statement, or point... unnecessarily... that’s my opinion...


5 posted on 02/29/2008 8:11:30 AM PST by latina4dubya
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To: SmithL

I’m shocked. California requires it’s state employees to sign an Oath of Allegiance form?


6 posted on 02/29/2008 8:12:07 AM PST by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: SmithL
"I was kind of stunned," said Kearney-Brown, who is pursuing her master's degree in math to earn the credentials to do exactly the job she is being fired from.

I think both parties are being ridiculous about this oath. But isn't it odd that the article states the woman isn't currently qualified to do the job she was fired from? Maybe the school didn't want her teaching until she had her degree and found this as a loophole.

7 posted on 02/29/2008 8:14:07 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: SmithL
"I don't think it was fair at all," . . .

Life ain't fair, kid, so get a helmet.

8 posted on 02/29/2008 8:15:46 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Men fight well when they know that no prisoners will be taken.)
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To: nuconvert

Correct. Goes back to the Red Scare. There was a famous Sociologist (Blumer) who left Berkeley for the U of Chicago in the 1950s, because he refused to take the oath.


9 posted on 02/29/2008 8:15:55 AM PST by Clemenza (Rudy spent 40 Million dollars and only got one more delegate than I did.)
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To: nuconvert
"I’m shocked. California requires it’s state employees to sign an Oath of Allegiance form?"


Yeah, but not to worry.

It gets overturned by the Ninth Circuit Court.

10 posted on 02/29/2008 8:19:46 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: Greg F
I didn’t think Quakers took oaths at all

Quakers "affirm" rather than "swear" an oath because "swearing" would invoke God into a civil matter, as I understand it.

11 posted on 02/29/2008 8:20:22 AM PST by Poincare (Hope is nostalgia for the future.)
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To: Clemenza

So, if they take part in communist/anti-American rallies, can they be fired?


12 posted on 02/29/2008 8:21:43 AM PST by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: SmithL

“87-word Oath of Allegiance to the Constitution that the state requires of elected officials and public employees. “

Strange. I wouldn’t sign it either.


13 posted on 02/29/2008 8:24:15 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: Poincare

“Quakers “affirm” rather than “swear” an oath because “swearing” would invoke God into a civil matter, as I understand it.”

They get it from Matthew where Jesus says “Let your yes be your yes”
Matthew 5:33-37


14 posted on 02/29/2008 8:29:24 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: Greg F

Maybe she took someone’s Quaker Oats


15 posted on 02/29/2008 8:31:24 AM PST by JZelle
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To: SmithL

Such empty promises are just silly. The most traitorous and treacherous have no problem in lying on their oaths. Most likely, it just catches well-intentioned fools.

I remember one cagey individual whose employer not only gave him endless and underhanded “employment agreements”, of the lowest order, designed to cheat their employees, but foolishly countersigned them after demanding his signature.

Invariably, when presented with such forms, he claimed to have forgotten his reading glasses, and requested to take the form home and later return it.

He would then return a modified duplicate of the form with his signature on it, which they would countersign and then file, providing him with a copy which he very carefully preserved.

When they finally attempted to fire him, a few years before retirement, in hopes of cheating him out of it, they were truly shocked to discover the lavish early retirement and/or discharge benefits that they had years before promised to provide him, repeatedly.

His lawyer was prepared. The company first pretended to have lost all his paperwork, before being shown all copies with their signatures on it. Then they gave him everything his phony forms had promised, on condition he drop the lawsuit.


16 posted on 02/29/2008 8:36:31 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Clemenza
There was a famous Sociologist (Blumer) who left Berkeley for the U of Chicago in the 1950s, because he refused to take the oath.

Not Blumer. Accordung to wikipedia he had previously been teaching at Chicago before heading the Sociology department at Berkley from 1952 to the 80s

17 posted on 02/29/2008 8:38:44 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: SmithL

Quakers have been around longer than california and founded Philadelphia. They should be given some consideration. My direct Quaker ancestor who was a sheriff, opted out of militia duty during the War of 1812 by paying $5 a month but was known to hang horse thieves without trial.


18 posted on 02/29/2008 8:43:43 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: Oztrich Boy

I thought it was Blumer. Thanks for the correction.


19 posted on 02/29/2008 9:37:45 AM PST by Clemenza (Rudy spent 40 Million dollars and only got one more delegate than I did.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Great story!


20 posted on 02/29/2008 1:24:01 PM PST by b9
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To: wintertime

ping


21 posted on 02/29/2008 5:02:17 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: All

Well it is a condition of employment, but I fully support her decision to give up her job rather than agree to something that his counter to her faith.

I was out of work awhile and would’ve still refused to work on certain (mosque building) construction projects if
the opportunity presented itself. I also would refuse to work on a planned non-parenthood building project.


22 posted on 02/29/2008 8:14:56 PM PST by biscuit jane
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