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Atheism and Big Government Are Deadly
MovieguideĀ® ^ | February 29, 2008 | Tom Snyder, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/05/2008 12:28:56 AM PST by Simi Valley Tom

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1 posted on 03/05/2008 12:28:58 AM PST by Simi Valley Tom
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To: Simi Valley Tom; trumandogz
Did Stalin and the others kill specifically for the sake of Atheism? Or did they do so for political purposes? It's important to make a distinction.
2 posted on 03/05/2008 12:33:19 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Simi Valley Tom

I have heard that Osama bin Laden is not an atheist.


3 posted on 03/05/2008 12:38:24 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: CarrotAndStick

One of the core beliefs of Communism is atheism.


4 posted on 03/05/2008 12:39:17 AM PST by guitar Josh
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To: guitar Josh

Yes, so?

Communism also believed in physics and the sciences. Should these be shunned because of the association too, as per the logic you were attempting to propound?

Had the author used Communism, instead of Atheism, he would be more on target.

BTW, Hitler was not Atheist.


5 posted on 03/05/2008 12:45:16 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: guitar Josh
One of the core beliefs of Communism is atheism.

An assumption which would surprise the New World's first communists, The Pilgrim Fathers, who abandoned it not out of religious argument, but simply because it did not work.

6 posted on 03/05/2008 12:51:30 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Communism kills people for political purposes, and atheism is tied directly to Communism.


7 posted on 03/05/2008 12:51:56 AM PST by guitar Josh
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An assumption which would surprise the New World's first communists, The Pilgrim Fathers, who abandoned it not out of religious argument, but simply because it did not work.

The article is using Communism (Marxism) in the 20th century, which is tied to atheism.

8 posted on 03/05/2008 12:55:26 AM PST by guitar Josh
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To: guitar Josh

Again, confusion.

Atheism is just the refusal to accept the presence or existence of (a) “supernatural” master(s). That is all. Full-stop. Communism is a lot more than that.

Barring divine intervention, there is nothing on earth or beyond that can make a real Atheist become Gnostic.

What exactly in Atheism motivates one to kill? Are murderes, say, in America, more likely to be Atheists? Or is the contrary the truth?


9 posted on 03/05/2008 12:58:45 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Atheism is just the refusal to accept the presence or existence of (a) “supernatural” master(s). That is all. Full-stop. Communism is a lot more than that.

Barring divine intervention, there is nothing on earth or beyond that can make a real Atheist become Gnostic.

I know.

What exactly in Atheism motivates one to kill? Are murderes, say, in America, more likely to be Atheists? Or is the contrary the truth?

Communist dictators have killed people who have faith for no reason other then they're not atheist. Do you honestly believe that would have happened if the dictator was a Buddhist?

10 posted on 03/05/2008 1:04:35 AM PST by guitar Josh
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To: guitar Josh
Do you honestly believe that would have happened if the dictator was a Buddhist?

Japan's WW-2 emperor was not an atheist. Neither was Hitler.

Now, what do you believe?

11 posted on 03/05/2008 1:07:00 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
I believe the answer to your first question

Did Stalin and the others kill specifically for the sake of Atheism?

is a very big yes.

12 posted on 03/05/2008 1:13:39 AM PST by guitar Josh
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If yes, he would have eliminated people of all faiths in the USSR, in totality. He was clearly capable of doing so, but he didn’t. He killed enough to consolidate his political position. Again, he was more Communist than he was Atheist.

Now that I’ve said this, what do you have to say about the religious background of murderers in a non-Communist country? Are they all Atheists, and in majority?


13 posted on 03/05/2008 1:19:30 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: guitar Josh
One of the core beliefs of Communism is atheism.

How many core beliefs of Communism are there? Could you name a few more?

14 posted on 03/05/2008 1:31:14 AM PST by Misterioso
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To: CarrotAndStick
If yes, he would have eliminated people of all faiths in the USSR, in totality. He was clearly capable of doing so, but he didn’t.

He had a country of several million people, he couldn't have killed off every single theist.

He killed enough to consolidate his political position. Again, he was more Communist than he was Atheist.

He killed them simply because they weren't atheist.

Now that I've said this, what do you have to say about the religious background of murderers in a non-Communist country? Are they all Atheists, and in majority?

Well, first, I'm going to guess that you're an atheist. And I'm going to guess that you believe that almost no one has ever been killed for atheism. And, when confronted with religious persecution of atheism, you're trying to grab moral high ground by saying that it isn't atheism, but communism that's the bad guy.

Look, I'm against murder and religious persecution. But for the love of God, get off your high horse and quit acting like atheism has clean hands here. What does communism have against theism anyway?

15 posted on 03/05/2008 1:34:25 AM PST by guitar Josh
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To: Misterioso

No private ownership.


16 posted on 03/05/2008 1:37:57 AM PST by guitar Josh
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To: guitar Josh

The premise of the article, and the author, are the ones on high-horses here.


17 posted on 03/05/2008 1:39:41 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: guitar Josh
He had a country of several million people, he couldn't have killed off every single theist.

He killed hundreds of millions, as per the article, but couldn't finish off anyone of faith? Come on!

18 posted on 03/05/2008 1:42:32 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

I can certainly see your point there.

But maybe you can enlighten me: Do you know of any other socioeconomic system that has advocated the persecution of any and all theists the way communism does?


19 posted on 03/05/2008 1:43:30 AM PST by guitar Josh
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To: guitar Josh
He killed them simply because they weren't atheist.

No, he killed when they became a real or imagined threat to his political position. He killed hundreds and thousands of fellow Communists too, especially scientists who failed. Stalin, like Hitler and others, was a truly sick, and would stop at nothing.

20 posted on 03/05/2008 1:45:42 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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