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F-117 Stealth Fighter to Be Retired
AP ^ | March 11, 2008 | JAMES HANNAH

Posted on 03/11/2008 8:17:16 AM PDT by Joiseydude

DAYTON, Ohio (AP) - The world's first attack aircraft to employ stealth technology is slipping quietly into history.

The inky black, angular, radar-evading F-117, which spent 27 years in the Air Force arsenal secretly patrolling hostile skies from Serbia to Iraq, will be put in mothballs next month in Nevada.

Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, which manages the F-117 program, will have an informal, private retirement ceremony Tuesday with military leaders, base employees and representatives from Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.

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To: RobRoy

The way the f117 is stealthy is the REDIRECTION of the reflection.

Yes, it reflects sound, and it reflects radar, but just not back to the source.

That’s why it has all those funky angular planes on it. In the book “Skunkworks”, they said it was ironic that the math/geometry behind this approach has been around for a LONG time, and was discovered by a Russian mathematician.


21 posted on 03/11/2008 8:30:36 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: varyouga

There’s not much space needed - the F22 should have replaced all of the aging and brittle F-15 - now that there isn’t enough funds to even buy a third of what is needed...

and the F-35 - who knows if and when...


22 posted on 03/11/2008 8:30:45 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there are people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: RobRoy

I remember buying a model of it on September 26, 1985 in Harold Fuchs Hobby Shop while we were still denying their existence. What does the F-117 and an Ovation Guitar have in common.


23 posted on 03/11/2008 8:31:21 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Joiseydude

I remember when Jimmie Carter revealed the existence of stealth aircraft. (Stupid POS!)


24 posted on 03/11/2008 8:32:09 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: RobRoy
Or are you implying that F117’s don’t reflect sound?

I doubt they reflect much sound back to the source. Propagation is propagation.

25 posted on 03/11/2008 8:32:35 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: MrB
Dont tell me that they would fly into the F-117s because their sonar wouldn't bounce back!
26 posted on 03/11/2008 8:32:36 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SampleMan

The F-117 was flying a decade before we ever saw it. There are things in development we won’t see for another decade.


27 posted on 03/11/2008 8:33:32 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Joiseydude
Here is a recently unclassified photo of the F-117's replacement, the F-22:

;^)


28 posted on 03/11/2008 8:34:00 AM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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To: Resolute Conservative
I wonder what has replaced it that we have not seen yet?


29 posted on 03/11/2008 8:35:50 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: taxcontrol

Yeppers.

The sonar bounced, but not “back”, effectively fooling the bat into assuming there was nothing there to reflect off.


30 posted on 03/11/2008 8:36:33 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Rummenigge
The F35 was designed as a future low-cost and more versatile alternative to the F22.

I'm not sure how successful they were in keeping manufacturing costs down. Most of the cost is research so building many of them would drop the unit price significantly.

31 posted on 03/11/2008 8:37:08 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: Joiseydude

My best friend’s wife has an American flag that was in the cockpit during the first public flight of this airplane. The late BG Tony Tolin was both the vice commander and commander, 4450th Tactical Group, 37th Tactical Fighter Wing, Tonopah Test Range, Nev. July 1987 - August 1990 and made the flight and gave it to the couple out of friendship.


32 posted on 03/11/2008 8:39:28 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: MrB

Wow, now the “sick” side of me wants to see that on video. Quite concisely states the problem with over reliance on one system, wouldn’t you say?


33 posted on 03/11/2008 8:40:27 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: massgopguy

>>What does the F-117 and an Ovation Guitar have in common.<<

Got me. What?


34 posted on 03/11/2008 8:41:18 AM PDT by RobRoy (I'm confused. I mean, I THINK I am, but I'm not sure. But I could be wrong about that.)
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To: massgopguy
What does the F-117 and an Ovation Guitar have in common

Neither can fly straight w/out a lot of help.

35 posted on 03/11/2008 8:42:40 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: MrB

Kelly Johnson and those guys were awesome engineers and “out of the box” thinkers. Going to be hard if not impossible to replace them as the retire and/or pass.


36 posted on 03/11/2008 8:42:48 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative
The F-117 was flying a decade before we ever saw it. There are things in development we won’t see for another decade.

The F-117 is being retired because it is old, expensive to maintain, and inferior to the JSF. It never had any air-air capability, which was a drawback.

Most programs are generally in the open, with certain aspects kept secret. e.g. the B-2 and F-22. Only a very few become operational without general knowledge, e.g. the U-2 and the F-117.

But its fun to speculate. Perhaps we captured a Klingon cloaking device ;-)

37 posted on 03/11/2008 8:44:45 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: MrB

Well that is just confusing. Radar doesn’t bounce off a piece of paper but sound does. And if you hang a piece of paper or steel in the air at a 45 degree to a bat’s travel, he will still “see” it.

A thing can absorb radar but not sound, just as a thing can stop light but not x-rays.


38 posted on 03/11/2008 8:44:50 AM PDT by RobRoy (I'm confused. I mean, I THINK I am, but I'm not sure. But I could be wrong about that.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

People would never believe how far that airplane was flown under the cover of darkness.


39 posted on 03/11/2008 8:46:17 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Resolute Conservative
"....I wonder what is being designed in the last few years that is flying out of Groom Lake and other areas that we haven’t seen yet...."

Hmmmm.....something like these, maybe?


40 posted on 03/11/2008 8:46:29 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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