Posted on 03/13/2008 8:54:55 AM PDT by George - the Other
A 14-year-old student threatened to bring an Uzi to Chesapeake Science Point Charter School last week and kill everybody in the school, an employee said.
Employees’ complaints have ranged from being repeatedly hit by apples, balls and chairs, to hearing students talk of raping and killing each other, to being threatened with being urinated on.
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Lofty goals... does he understand the logistics and planning that would take? And with an Uzi? Big dreamer there.
I wonder how much the NEA paid Mr. Josh Kowalkowski to write this article.
It's worked for millennium, pain is one of the greatest attention getter and attitude adjuster there is, let these people start using it like nature intended.
Even if he had killed “only” a fraction of the total population of the school, it would have been a tragedy.
I have my doubts that corporal punishment would be the answer in today’s world. Whack a kid in the butt on Tuesday, get shot in the face by the same kid on Wednesday. Payback time. That’s the way it seems to work these days, all too often.
I think the answer begins at home. And with the morals of society as a whole.
Won't happen. Pain is only for kids who won't complain to parents that will bring lawsuits. Meaning, unborn "fetuses".
Students look at education the way that liberals look at the Constitution.
We need serious students and serious constitutionalists.
Maybe they should let him wear a dress and lipstick to school. Maybe he’s just repressed.
Ten to one the boy is being raised by a single mother, or by Grandma.
Indeed. If there is any sort of father figure in that kid's life, it's probably a "funny uncle."
Vector Arms UZI,
Full Size UZI Pistol. Semi-Auto, 9mm.
$659.00
Hope he saved his lunch money. /s
btw, It seems by the article that Baltimore Schools are a quagmire, violence it out of control. When do the Dems say we should pull out?
(big) /s
This isn’t one of those Charter Schools that’s actually a muslim madrassa in disguise is it?
Today’s corporal punishment should be boot camp schools.
Get suspended and it means a ticket to the boot camp for two weeks.
It’s the only way you can do it with the libs keeping you from spanking.
It can be abused with too much use, but just the right amount of use can have a dramatic effect on a kid who has never been disciplined before.
Like I think most of these are.
If he's an aspiring gang-banger, there's a fully stocked weapons pipeline readily available, and he knows it.
Hope he saved his lunch money. /s
Steady crack sales would cover $700 with little difficulty.
Pimp his ho and he's got enough to cover the ammo to boot.
Death is good. /s
Baltimore's kids are threatening to kill, rape, and otherwise harm along with hitting teachers with apples and they're at a loss???
Answer: Expel any child who threatens to commit a crime against a student or teacher ... AND require mandatory in-hospital psychiatric care (paid for by the parents).
apple popping a teacher --> file a criminal complaint for assault, expel kid, let the law decide whether jail or psychiatric facility.
A couple of times I stopped someone outside my room and told them they could not enter until they apologized for bad behavior. I was undermined by the sappy asst. principle who told me I could not do that. I told him he could take the student and keep him in his office, then, because he would not enter my classroom until an apology was offered. The student eventually apologized. They despised the asst. principle because he wanted to "understand" them and be their friend.
On one of the toughest, I accidentally found out his mama had him in hand and used that. He had made life hell for a man teacher who got him transferred to my class. When I mentioned his mama, he fizziled like a punctured baloon.
These alternative kids are busy hating the world, authority, and themselves, and should be sent straight to reform school instead of being pampered, cajoled, etc. Some could even be talked into helping keep order because it would make them feel important--I did that once to a tough guy. He straightened up and helped me by doing what he should have done in the first place.
vaudine
Hmmm. That patern looks vaguely familiar to one I had on my butt about 1963.
True, but I was thinking, maybe incorrectly, that in 'Da Hood', AK-47s would be the weapon of choice not an Uzi (basing on what I heard of what's available Chicago's (cough) 'urban areas').
*** Steady crack sales would cover $700 with little difficulty. Pimp his ho and he's got enough to cover the ammo to boot. ***
True again. I keep forgetting that nowadays the 'po folk' in 'da hood' really ain't that poor. They don't work 9-5 jobs but always seem to have enough money for $200 sneakers and Plasma Screen TVs. (dam The Man for always keepin' em down!) /s
This power can be abused by those who enjoy the idea of hitting other people’s children.
When I was younger, I tried to get my teacher’s attention to ask for more index cards to complete an assignment. She accused me of playing around and sentenced me to a whoopin. Made to grab my knees...every time she hit me, I reacted by standing up...and she kept hitting until the principal heard and came to rescue me. She was fired and my parents were called in and given an official apology for what I was put through.
My mother often said if I got a deserved whoopin at school, I would get another at home.
Does the kid even have an Uzi? I doubt it. If he had threatened to use nuclear weapons would that have been taken so seriously? An empty threat is an empty threat, but these days if a gun is mentioned liberals all start wetting themselves.
This power can be abused by those who enjoy the idea of hitting other people’s children.
Study: Spanking Can Bring Problems Later
(AP) -- New research by a University of New Hampshire domestic abuse expert says spanking children affects their sex lives as adults. Professor Murray Straus concludes that children who are spanked are more likely as adults to coerce partners to have sex, to have unprotected sex and to have masochistic sex.
Other studies have shown the link between spanking and physical violence, but Straus said his research is the first to show a link between corporal punishment and sexual behavior.
"My underlying motive was to bring this to the attention of parents and of more people," Straus said, "in the hope it will help continue the decrease in the use of corporal punishment."
Straus, co-director of UNH's Family Research Laboratory, conducted a study in the mid-1990s in which he asked 207 students at three colleges whether they'd ever been aroused by masochistic sex. He also asked them if they'd been spanked as children. He found that students who were spanked were nearly twice as likely to like masochistic sex.
He has bundled that study with three new ones that explore the connections between corporal punishment, coerced sex and risky sex. He presented all four studies this week at the American Psychological Association's Summit on Violence and Abuse in Relationships in Bethesda, Md.
Straus said his study found adults who were spanked as children are more likely to coerce their partners to have sex.....
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Maryland “Freak State” PING!
Yeah something that has worked for thousands of years is now proven to be bad for humanity. LOL
I keep wondering how the human race lasted this long without a study to prove it could or should.
I suppose Professor Murray Strauss would be happy to have Swedish-style anti-spanking laws here. If he were really serious about kids who grow up coercing others into sex, then he would look at child molestation instead. Can’t imagine why he didn’t treat that issue....
You will never convince me of this, I believe that this is put out by a group that is against any form of corporal punishment at all.
Every kid I know who was spanked vs. those who weren’t grew into far better adults than those who were punished by the more “enlightened” feel good be my best friend type parent, every single one.
If he is asking college students, chances is their eroticism was engendered by sexually explicit and violent movies. Did he ask that question?
ANYTHING can be proven by empiracal, selective use of information, and carefully formulated questions that force a certain answer..
vaudine
That said, trussell's earlier comment about spanking or corporal punishment being harmful also deserves consideration. Not all children are mentally and emotionally the same, or equipped to shrug off corporal punishment. The example vaudine gave earlier of working with tough boys may be one instance in which it is very useful; however, I do think it can scar some children deeply and should not be done to girls under any circumstances. This opens the "discrimination" argument about whether it should then be done to boys.
I personally used every other strategy possible with my kid short of hitting, and only hit for extreme provocation on a few occasions in a lifetime. I preferred to use the coach/mentor approach in which I explained the reasons why not only kids, but also adults, must obey laws and rules. I believed in consistency and being a good example, so that I wasn't punishing the child for things anyone could see the child's own parents doing. So far, this child has turned into a young adult who has gotten excellent grades in school and a good employment situation. As for the rest, it's not my business to know; all I could do was make sure I gave clear moral guidance. The rest is up to the individual.
Sounds like many of you who got "the belt" made good choices as adults. I am one who made the effort to learn effective discipline methods because I had not liked the threats of physical violence and the entire old-school mentality of "because I said so, that's why." I wanted to know why we were asked or made to follow certain rules. So I tried to clarify my values and learn the Bible before expecting my kid to follow its moral code. That way I could convey the teachings with joy, acceptance and the anticipation of God's pleasure instead of forcing the child to conform without reason.
ping to post 32
The trouble you are having with a child is based on a culture that promotes bad behavior. We have promoted raising a child without any of the social interactions between parents and children that have been present during the whole of human culture.
The insanity is that we break these strong family reinforcing bonds and replace them with a social situation that leaves children adrift in a social environment that is controlled by other children (the school system). Then we expect them to come out just as if we never set them adrift.
The warehouse schools and the entertainments fed to the children of today are causing 90% of the social problems that we face today IMHO.
****Murray Straus concludes that children who are spanked are more likely as adults to coerce partners to have sex, to have unprotected sex and to have masochistic sex.****
This is the most ridiculous piece of nonsense I have ever heard.
I was spanked quite often, mostly when I deserved it, a few times I didn’t. I meet none of the above qualifications for a “spanked child”.
See post 32. I did not have trouble; but we did work hard and if that's trouble, we accepted it. Ours turned out well so far.
I agree with your assessment of the pop culture -- it runs like a sewer.
Nevertheless, all the studies aren't in yet about physical discipline. Some children can let it roll off; others are crushed by it and either become bullies or victims in adulthood.
Because a study finds a trend does not mean that all individuals fit into the trend. I'm glad for you that you do not. However, there are many children who are greatly harmed by physical punishment. Parents have to know the difference.
ping
Discipline was not meant to have to be used so much. When these people talk about getting spanked it was not on the order of a daily event, as it seems to be needed now. It was a shameful thing to happen besides just the physical side of it.
Shame has been taken out of culture on many levels. Without Shame there is no civilized society as it has been known throughout history. Here we stroll in and proclaim things that have been a part of every human culture that has ever been to be wrongheaded. Then we wonder why the balance is so screwed up when we take these structures away.
This whole thing reminds me of the efforts to create artificial human organs. They look good on paper but don’t seem to really work very well.
This is another concept that I just don't agree with. For one thing anything that happens can cause harm to a child if you look at it from a certain perspective. But the same thing can be viewed as a turning point for the good if looked at another way.
Teaching a child that there is no pain or physical consequences in life is a very shaky thing to call a SAFE way to raise them. So when the big bad world comes up and smacks them down and they have never been smacked down what does that do by way of mental harm?
The world is not a safe place and finding that out even for sensitive children cannot be all bad.
I think it comes down to whether the parent is consciously teaching the child a lesson, or just lashing out and/or intimidating the child due to laziness about the role of parenthood.
Ping.
That's why God arranged for children to be born in "natural families" (note "hate speech" there) in which the parents note the needs of each individual. Discipline must be suited to the situation, which is something that gubmint is notoriously bad at doing. Parents supposedly have a special interest (some call it "love") in the well-being of their children which enables them to tell the appropriate discipline level for each child.
Sometimes they get it wrong. But so what? Because it is a family, they can come back years later (if it takes that long) and make up for it. Bringing up and disciplining children is as much discipline for the parent as it is for the child, which is probably why so many liberals refuse to do it under the cover of moral scruple.
I get tired of all this whining that social conservatives want the government to regulate what happens "in our bedrooms", when it is themselves that are throwing government regulations around like confetti. In place of laws that require people to honor their obligations to their "natural family" (oooh, there's that "hate speech" again!) we have laws that criminalize our attempts to protect them. Moralizing busybodies have always been with us; they've just changed their religion.
This idea that spanking is automatically child abuse is part of the philosophical package which also includes giving condoms to schoolchildren and taking little girls to get abortions without their parents' knowledge.
Which is abusive, a well-deserved whuppin' followed by a hug and a run to the ice cream parlor, or a failed attempt at "love" followed by a surgical invasion and a dump on the street with scars for life?
There seems to be a misunderstanding of what this study is saying, because the way it is worded muddies up the distinction between the sexes; but I do think that girls who are beaten by their parents are more likely to fall into relationships with a controlling or coercive partner. By the same token, males who are beaten will try to use force not only on their children, but also force or emotional coercion on their partner.
Wouldn't it be better for the family as a whole if everyone were well disciplined, including the parents, to use words and time outs and suspension of privileges and having to write an essay based on the Ten Commandments, or any number of methods other than physical force? Especially if the parent goes into a rage when delivering these methods? That's not effective discipline; that's abuse.
Would that such a universe existed, and we could all go live there and mess it up.
The point is that all children "go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies." If physical force is excluded from the corrective repertoire at the family level, it will definitely come on line later. The difference being, in the home it takes the form of paddling or switching, but in the big bad world it can escalate without limit. And the fallout is worse, too.
Some kids seem to figure out what's what without being spanked at all. But my two, particularly the elder, needed to understand the meaning of hard limits. Talking about such would have been meaningless without enforcement. All the timeouts and groundings would have been in vain without that backing them up.
Eventually, kids get too big to spank. By then, they should have understood the message and be capable of self-control, which can then lead to adult responsibility, which in its turn leads to adult freedom.
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