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'Houston, we have a problem': Strobe Talbott and George Soros are pleased with all the candidates
World Tribune/AIM ^ | 3/12/08 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 03/13/2008 1:12:05 PM PDT by pissant

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To: pissant

“Can our media stop talking about race, sex and gender long enough to examine whether the American people will be given a choice or an echo on foreign policy issues this November?”

Um,no. The focus on race and other non-issues is precisely to stay AWAY from the bare facts of the contest in 2008.

The bare facts are that Obama is an inexperienced, unaccomplished junior Senator with a left-liberal track record and an association through his life with leftwingers and anti-American radicals as mentors, advisors and allies. He is extreme on many issues, from abortion (against protecting even ‘born alive’ infants), immigration (for drivers licenses for illegals, for amnesty, for chain migration), gays (for gays in military openly serving), judges (for judicial activists), taxes (against tax cuts and for repealing Bush tax cuts), spending (huge spending promises), Israel (anti-Israel/pro-palestinian advisors who say we should talk to Hamas), Iraq (withdraw now, and let US get defeated), etc. National journal rated him the most liberal senator in the US Senate.

Obama is a fully a man of the left, who is using political skill to run more centrist and is using he race card to foil attempts to expose the difference between his rhetoric and his reality.


21 posted on 03/13/2008 1:50:47 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: panaxanax
"No matter what happens, I will not vote for Juan McCain. Writing in Duncan Hunter to insure a good nights sleep!"

Unfortunately mathematics is at play with your reasoning and you'll simply aid and abet either a Hillary or Obama presidency.

22 posted on 03/13/2008 1:51:46 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

I don’t see a problem with that. Let them get the blame as America crumbles under the weight of gigantic government.


23 posted on 03/13/2008 1:54:47 PM PDT by Bull Market (I will not vote for John McCain. Hillary's my girl!)
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To: isrul

90% of Republicans are for McCain in the general. I’ll certainly vote for him. Rather than protest like leftwingers, and create a worse situation, we need to think about positive things that can be done to advance conservative candidates. I suggest instead of opposing a done-deal (McCain) just ignore him (let the RINOs help get him elected, he’s *their* candidate, and hold your nose on election day) and instead find one of the many conservative Republicans in need of help and help one of them.

The bare facts of this race is that a moderate-to-slightly-conservative AZ Senator former war hero is facing off against the most left-wing nominee in our nation’s history.

The bare facts are that Obama is an inexperienced, unaccomplished junior Senator with a left-liberal track record and an association through his life with leftwingers and anti-American radicals as mentors, advisors and allies. He is extreme on many issues, from abortion (against protecting even ‘born alive’ infants), immigration (for drivers licenses for illegals, for amnesty, for chain migration), gays (for gays in military openly serving), judges (for judicial activists), taxes (against tax cuts and for repealing Bush tax cuts), spending (huge spending promises), Israel (anti-Israel/pro-palestinian advisors who say we should talk to Hamas), Iraq (withdraw now, and let US get defeated), etc. National journal rated him the most liberal senator in the US Senate.

Obama is a fully a man of the left, who is using political skill to run more centrist and is using he race card to foil attempts to expose the difference between his rhetoric and his reality.

If you think letting McCain go down to defeat to Obama will help the conservative movement, you are nuts. There is a so-so choice, and there is a horrible/terrible choice. I’ll take the so-so guy.


24 posted on 03/13/2008 1:56:35 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: Bull Market
"I don’t see a problem with that. Let them get the blame as America crumbles under the weight of gigantic government."

If we were not at war that might be an option but we are at war and there is no way I can sit back and allow either Hillary of Obama to become Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces. And no way do I want either of those two bozos appointing Supreme Court Justices. That would take 30-40 years to repair. And I don't what those clowns near my wallet either.

25 posted on 03/13/2008 1:58:49 PM PDT by avacado
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To: pissant
the World Federalist Movement. They believe U.S. sovereignty should be submerged into a world federation.

When people say they are a "Federalist," or preach "Federalism" as a good thing, every thinking person should ask what they mean by the term.

26 posted on 03/13/2008 2:09:07 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: isrul

Methinks you can be more effective in New York in looking at some of the Congressional races and focus on defeating the party of Nancy Pelosi.

Democrats are set to RAISE TAXES BY $1 TRILLION in the next 4 years:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1985126/posts?page=2#14


27 posted on 03/13/2008 2:10:15 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; Czar; AuntB; CAluvdubya; Travis McGee; indylindy; ...

Ping to article


28 posted on 03/13/2008 2:13:30 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: avacado

Even if we are not at war ... the Democrats are sending this country headlong into a recession/depression. They are set to repeal the Bush tax cuts that gave us 8 million jobs and ramp up spending even more, even after the spending spree that we have had for the past few years. They have imposes windfall taxes on oil companies, are berating CEOs and want to regulate things to death.

Democrats are increasing regulations, and they are eager for more giveaways of the welfare variety - such as Obama’s program to help people stay in homes they cant afford. hmmm, isnt that just another name for welfare?

so the country will have huge setbacks in the GWOT and in the economy if we let the Democrats run everything ... but we will have shown the RINOs a lesson. Not sure it will even be remembered, the next 10 year could be repeat of what happened under FDR - a Democrat majority mismanaging us through depression. Ha!


29 posted on 03/13/2008 2:14:41 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: WOSG

Those tax cuts reduced the federal income tax rate and gave me $4K cash back in my pocket per year. I will not vote for them to be in the Whitehouse... ever.


30 posted on 03/13/2008 2:16:47 PM PDT by avacado
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To: WOSG
I said nothing about letting McCain go down to defeat in November. That's a given.

He doesn't fear a Hillary or Obama in the White House as yo do. He will not wage an aggressive campaign against either one of them. He's too self righteous and sanctimonious. He'll shuffle along to defeat with his phony senate collegiality.

conservatives seem always too afraid to cause any ruckus. That's why they have become spit buckets for people like McCain.

Unless conservatives rise up and make it clear they will not elect McCain, his certain defeat will be blamed n them. They will be cleansed from any part of the Republican power structure. The same would result if McCain won.

So the RINOS get you either way. Turning to McCain for salvation is totally senseless.

Just one other thing. Where did you come yup with 90% support for McCain in the election? The way he attacks and repudiates Republican supporters, that simply not possible unless Republicans are not sane.

31 posted on 03/13/2008 2:19:13 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: WOSG
I said nothing about letting McCain go down to defeat in November. That's a given.

He doesn't fear a Hillary or Obama in the White House as yo do. He will not wage an aggressive campaign against either one of them. He's too self righteous and sanctimonious. He'll shuffle along to defeat with his phony senate collegiality.

conservatives seem always too afraid to cause any ruckus. That's why they have become spit buckets for people like McCain.

Unless conservatives rise up and make it clear they will not elect McCain, his certain defeat will be blamed n them. They will be cleansed from any part of the Republican power structure. The same would result if McCain won.

So the RINOS get you either way. Turning to McCain for salvation is totally senseless.

Just one other thing. Where did you come yup with 90% support for McCain in the election? The way he attacks and repudiates Republican supporters, that simply not possible unless Republicans are not sane.

32 posted on 03/13/2008 2:19:23 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: pissant
[ 'Houston, we have a problem': Strobe Talbott and George Soros are pleased with all the candidates]

Unfortunately any that vote for any of the three candidates have no idea who George or Strobe are.. If they do they are not voting any of those three.. Strobe is not a Marxist he is a Maoist.. George of course is a Stalinist..

33 posted on 03/13/2008 2:19:36 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: pissant

What a nightmare of an election year.


34 posted on 03/13/2008 2:19:44 PM PDT by Allegra (Posting without being logged on since 2001)
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To: WOSG
There are no Republicans in NY. Maybe a few RINOS but the rest are bona fide leftists who sometimes get the endorsement of the Liberal party. sometimes A candidate gets endorsed by both the Liberal and Conservative party.

In NY we know what decades of compromise has wrought.

35 posted on 03/13/2008 2:25:49 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: pissant
In a recent statement urging a new “Global Order of Peace,” McCain has called for a new “global League of Democracies—one that would have NATO members at its core—dedicated to the defense and advancement of global democratic principles.” McCain made his first pitch for such a new international organization in 2007

So, Soros wants a "New World Order" and McCain wants a "New Global Order."

What's the dif?

36 posted on 03/13/2008 2:29:54 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: wideawake

There’s a word that would give people a neologasm.


37 posted on 03/13/2008 2:33:10 PM PDT by Borges
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To: calcowgirl
So in addition to his many other faults and failures, it now appears incontrovertible that McCain is an internationalist New World Order enthusiast who, if elected, would piss away American sovereignty in the interest of abortions like the Law of the Sea Treaty, installing the NAU, and generally kissing the UN's ass whenever possible.

Sure I'll vote for him.

This arrogant little weasel is every bit as bad and potentially just as dangerous as the two Rat candidates.

38 posted on 03/13/2008 2:35:59 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: isrul

“I said nothing about letting McCain go down to defeat in November. That’s a given.”

By who??? SurveyUSA 50-state polls, which shows neither Democrat beating McCain at the moment (Hillary v. McCain, toss-up; Obama v. McCain, slight lean to McCain.)

This will be a close race perhaps, and you could effectively ‘throw’ the election to Obama, the left-liberal.

“Turning to McCain for salvation is totally senseless.”

Dont blame me, I wasnt among the 5 million or so GOP primary voters who went for him. Its a big disappointment.
Like some others, you confuse the general election with the primary election. We lost the opportunity to nominate a conservative. We cannot ‘make up’ for that loss by throwing the whole country into the clutches of a far-left President (Obama) and a Democrat Congress.

The best way to win back the party for the conservatives is to SUPPORT conservatives running for Congress, local races, in primaries etc. If you really think your local Reps are RINOs, go ahead and run against them. we knocked off a RINO in Maryland last month, I am sure some of the New York RINOs can be knocked off too if conservatives get together and work at it.

“Just one other thing. Where did you come yup with 90% support for McCain in the election? “ Polls. Look at Survey USA and other polls. On the one hand there is a polling number like 40% say McCain is not conservative enough, but still most will support him. Experience; leadership; better positions than the left-liberal Obama.


39 posted on 03/13/2008 2:38:12 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: WOSG
Your ignoring the fact that McCain is not a serious candidate. He's too full of himself and the phony senate collegiality that comes across as self righteous sanctimony. Throughout the campaign he will be more hostile to his supporters than he ever will be to his “opponent”. For some reason, this collegiality, though phony, does not extend to Republicans in general and conservatives n particular. He does not share your fear of RATS either Obama or Hillary. He just doesn't. He seems to kind of like them.

But if that's all acceptable to you. I wish you well.

40 posted on 03/13/2008 2:46:47 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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