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Ethanol industry losing its momentum (vanishing profit margin)
Lubbock Online ^ | 03/11/08 | Michael Hooper

Posted on 03/13/2008 11:12:18 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: I Drive Too Fast

Amen brother. My lawn mower does not like the crap and I am amazed that my vehicle will even burn it.


21 posted on 03/14/2008 3:50:04 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands..)
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To: hadaclueonce

Wheat hit $24 per bushel recently, that is correct, $24.....

Last year it hit an all time high of $4.95. Expect Corn to do the same. At these rates, before long, one hamburger Patti will cost the consumer over 5 bucks. A chicken leg will sell for 3. And a loaf of bread will go for 7 or 8 bucks.

And add to that, the carbon credits scam that will be executed into law by any of the 3 candidates for POTUS, and the economic disaster coming will rewrite all the standards for the future.


22 posted on 03/14/2008 4:05:38 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....Viva El Presidente! "I'm not prejudice, I hate everybody the same.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Do you think they’ve figured out yet that their paltry “stimulus” will pale in relation to the tsunammi of inflation that is coming down the pike? Our economy is turning into a disaster thanks to totally misguided economic and enviornmental policies.


23 posted on 03/14/2008 4:10:55 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: rbg81

In the meantime, they are really ramping up drilling in Russia, China and off the coast of South America, where new and very large fields have been discovered.

Industry will leave this Socialist cesspool behind and go where the air is not taxed.


24 posted on 03/14/2008 4:17:51 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....Viva El Presidente! "I'm not prejudice, I hate everybody the same.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

OK, now its time for Congress to open more federal land for drilling. Its absolutely mandatory (oil at $100 per barrel) that ANWR and both coasts be opened for offshore drilling. Remember it will take 7-10 years for that oil to come to market. Washington, stop dragging your feet.


25 posted on 03/14/2008 4:35:01 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: Content Provider

Since when do we have an obligation to feed the rest of the world?


26 posted on 03/14/2008 5:36:24 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: JDoutrider

“Anybody not seeing this coming down the pike has been hitting that ol opium pipe a bit too much!”

Anyone over 35 should remember that we’ve seen how all this works before.

Kneejerk liberal reactions ALWAYS turn out badly...


27 posted on 03/14/2008 5:39:09 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: Farmer Dean
Since when do we have an obligation to feed the rest of the world?

If we were all "clean-platers" the world hunger problem would be solved.

28 posted on 03/14/2008 5:42:52 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
compensate for the higher grain prices and higher energy prices,"

OK, when "higher energy prices" negatively impact your product, it's time to admit it isn't an "energy product".

29 posted on 03/14/2008 6:57:52 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: gleeaikin
Well run plants do OK, anyway. The problem with subsidies, in any industry, is that they encourage businesses which are not efficient or otherwise well run to compete with businesses which are.

Corn is presently about $5.60 per bushel. An efficient plant will obtain 3 gallons of ethanol together with 18 pounds of DDG's (plus corn oil and CO2) from each bushel. The fuel and feed value, alone, of the bushel is worth over $10. If an operator can't process a bushel corn for five bucks, it really shouldn't be in business.

30 posted on 03/14/2008 7:19:56 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Farmer Dean

We don’t have such an obligation. However, if we burn a good portion of the food supply and prices go up significantly, people starve, and on a global scale we’re talking millions of people. While we have no explicit obligation to them, a sense of decency demands that we not take actions we know will kill others where our own survival is not at stake.


31 posted on 03/14/2008 7:29:16 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: TigerLikesRooster
How much are the corn farmers and refineries subsidized the the tax payer??
32 posted on 03/14/2008 7:47:51 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: Content Provider
Ranchers are selling off their cattle because they can't afford to feed them and their profits are dwindling...In addition, the cost of pasture Fertilizer has soared.

So the price of beef has not risen in proportion to the other food because there is a glut in the market right now.

What happens in 14 months after we have slaughtered the majority of our beef supply? How much will a pound of hamburger cost then?

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33 posted on 03/14/2008 7:58:13 AM PDT by spectre (spectre's wife)
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To: spectre

According to the Fed’s inflation model, when steak becomes too expensive, people substitute hamburger, and this is considered equivalent, economically. So when hamburger becomes too expensive, count on the fed advising a lateral move to dog food.


34 posted on 03/14/2008 8:01:02 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: Content Provider

Any discussion of this problem is overshadowed by the population growth in the third world.Feeding them only postpones the inevitable.


35 posted on 03/14/2008 10:00:55 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: elpadre

There is no price support for corn. No need to.
People complain about farm bill but most of it
is food stamps and conservation expenses. CRP
pays to keep 31 million acres out of production.
All gasoline should have 10% etanol for clean burning
as it gets my engines extra mile per gallon.
And corn acreage last year was 92 million—if increased
a third we could put 10% ethanol in all gas.
Do the math. Most increases in corn acreage come from
former cotton acreage, a commodity in surplus around
the world. In fact up to 3 years ago we were being
sued through the WTO for dumping corn and cotton
on other countries hurting their farmers. The farmer owned
ethanol plants will do ok, but we have to get those big
companies that won’t use a 10% mix to do so.
They all want a shortage to keep prices up, and it
is these high energy prices causing everything
to be expensive, not putting corn into ethanol.
When a guy mows your 1000 sq ft lawn charges 50 bucks,
an auto worker get 50 bucks an hr, a lawyer get
50 bucks for 10 min, doctor the same, and all these
want more because of high energy costs, it ain’t the
corn or the farmer. Energy costs has triples fertilizer
cost in 4 years and doubled farm equipment costs,
and double farmland rent.It ain’t the corn, it the
speculation in energy.......Ed


36 posted on 03/14/2008 10:22:12 AM PDT by hubel458
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To: Mr. Lucky

You are correct. I know an ethanol plant that opened paying $1.50/bushel for corn. The manager is a 35-year old truck driver with no experience who can’t fluently read a newspaper.

Ownership is now counting on a new influx of money from a second plant and a biodiesel facility to cover going so far in the hole on the first plant.


37 posted on 03/14/2008 10:30:51 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Farm community expected the plants to be co-op
owned and run as a means to aid energy crisis
and help sell a product that for years they
could sell for enough to pay for raising it.
Then a few folks went at it like the oil companies
and computor companies and others do things
and they have problems. And big oil don’t want the competition, don’t want an easing of supplies,
want shortages, and they are the ones that have to
do the 10% blend. I ain’t going to give my life for
clean air crap, but i do care about gas that makes
my engines run better, the 10% blend, and I really
care about adding to energy supplies to cut
the price of oil. I rent land that is now
going to be continuous corn, my choice.It is
close to their barns so it get the manure needed.
But the way fertilizer, fuel, equipment costs impacting
the guys farming it they are just making expenses.
Unless corn stays at it’s temporary spring high
as theirs is all sold a month ago.Ed


38 posted on 03/14/2008 11:20:38 AM PDT by hubel458
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To: Content Provider; Farmer Dean; spectre; Mr. Lucky; All

“A sense of decency demands that we not take actions we know will kill others where our own survival is not at stake”

And Compasionate Conservatism is why this administration has cut funding to family planning services worldwide, even where they are just educating regarding preventing unwanted pregnancies rather than abortion.

Years ago when I first discovered that my brown bread was white bread with caramel color added, and that it takes 10 pounds of feed for every pound of beef and somewhat less for pigs and chickens I decided to eat less meat and more whole grains. Once I started the whole grains, my craving for meat dropped considerably. If you are eating refined starches, meat is one of the few dietary sources of the entire B Complex of vitamins. I also got Marie Lapee’s (sp?) book “Diet for a Small Planet”. This book tells how to mix various grains and legumes (peas, beans, etc.) so as to provide complete protein in a meal. I learned a lot and with the provided recipies enhanced my cooking range. So if you plan to cut back on animal protein, whether for ethical or financial reasons, this is a great book to follow.


39 posted on 03/14/2008 12:24:16 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: RSmithOpt; All

“The next bubble will bust by the end of the year.”

After my first comment, I decided to look at the USO oil ETF google page. Pulled up several articles and found that there are now at least a half trillion dollars invested in them. Another article suggested that people may start moving their funds to other investments before long.


40 posted on 03/14/2008 12:28:27 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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