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From the pews of Trinity United Church of Christ
Swamp Politics ^ | March 14, 2008 | Mark Silva

Posted on 03/14/2008 8:06:12 PM PDT by bahblahbah

So much controversy surrounds the church where Barack Obama has worshipped for two decades, the church whose retiring pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has stirred a storm with his words about power in America -- words which Obama himself decried today as "appalling.''

So much of the racial divide that remains in America is reopened with debates over these words, followed by renunciations and demands for even greater repudiation, that it's refreshing to hear some words of common sense rising through clouds of polarizing venom.

These words come from the congregation tonight. As the torch passes at Trinity United Church of Christ -- with the Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of the Rev. Otis Moss III, and with Obama repudiating the harshest words of the outgoing pastor while insisting that he and his family will remain as members -- another longtime member writes to the Swamp this evening to offer another perspective on the controversy that has enveloped the church.

"I am an African American who is very proud to say that I am a member of Trinity United Church of Christ,'' writes "BLH,'' in a posting on Obama and the retiring pastor below. "I have been a member for 30 years.

"I was in church that Sunday after 9/11. Our church seats about 8,000 people and we have 3 services; 7:30 a.m., 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. Non-blacks do attend our church. However, we are located in a predominantly African-American neighborhood.

"On that Sunday people were standing against the wall and in the halls. People were still scared and shocked by what happened. Rev Wright's words may seem rascist to people who look at this world through rose colored glasses. You are the same people who think that the USA is the superior country and for some of you that white America is the superior race. That is sad.

"The United States of America became a powerful nation on the backs of free labor; slavery. 400 years later the effects of that, Jim Crow laws and discrimination still exist. You can see it in the disparity between our public schools and the widening gap in this country between the haves and have nots.

"I am well educated. I have a BS in Accounting for the Univesity of Illinois and I have an MBA from Northwestern University. However, in this country the fact that I am not white and male will limit my opportunities. This is not racist. This is the truth.

"Trinity United Church of Christ promotes the positiveness of being black in this country because everyday we see images that say otherwise. White churches don't have to do that because being white in this country is already seen as being a plus.

"You might not agree with what Rev. Wright said. I rarely agree with anyone 100 percent of the time. However, the USA has not been an innocent. It has not been "right" all of the time. The minute someone points that out they are seen as being un-American.''

Say Amen.


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In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788

1 posted on 03/14/2008 8:06:14 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: bahblahbah

He better frickin retire and hope he hasn’t guaranteed himself a place in the ingrates’ hall of fame.


2 posted on 03/14/2008 8:09:06 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: bahblahbah
Rev Wright's words may seem racist to people who look at this world through rose colored glasses.

They are racist and anti-American to all but idiots, racists, scum and satanists.

3 posted on 03/14/2008 8:12:13 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bahblahbah
However, in this country the fact that I am not white and male will limit my opportunities.

This person has been taught this and has absorbed it, but it is not the truth. Blaming your failures on others is the ultimate weakness.

4 posted on 03/14/2008 8:12:23 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: bahblahbah
... in this country the fact that I am not white and male will limit my opportunities. This is not racist. This is the truth.

In this country the fact that I am of average height, build, looks and over the age of 40 limits my opportunities to become a babe magnet. This is the truth. So what?

5 posted on 03/14/2008 8:13:52 PM PDT by LiberConservative
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To: yldstrk

Wright has already retired. But Obama refused to answer a question in one of tonight’s interviews—whether his retirement was voluntary or forced.


6 posted on 03/14/2008 8:14:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bahblahbah

The words of this minister of God were appalling after 9/11. Why are they only now appalling to Barack Obama?

This may be too little too late.

So many adages apply to the company we keep. They are called “truisms” for a reason.


7 posted on 03/14/2008 8:14:26 PM PDT by tennteacher (Hunter Conservative)
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To: Bahbah

Just think about it … 20 years of listening to this crap and he (Obama) still has a fair and balanced mind? I DON’T THINK SO!!!


8 posted on 03/14/2008 8:15:36 PM PDT by doc1019 (God is in control ... not Global Warming.)
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To: bahblahbah

Jeremiah Wright is a racist, anti-semite, demagogue, buddy of Farrakhan. Barack swears he never heard these sermons, but he was 20 years his mentor and inspiration for his book Audacity of Audacity.

I denounce all these statements says Barack. You can’t be friends of 20 years with a racist and heal the country’s racial division.


9 posted on 03/14/2008 8:16:52 PM PDT by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: bahblahbah
However, in this country the fact that I am not white and male will limit my opportunities.

Yeah, it's not that you sound like a seething hate-whitey guy. If this is what comes out of your mouth to your colleagues no wonder you aren't going anywhere. Who would want to be around such a downer?

10 posted on 03/14/2008 8:18:17 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: bahblahbah

Some people need to get over their racism. They’re the ones keeping it alive.

This country wasn’t built on slavery. The south had few resources and lost the Civil War. Slavery did nothing to help the south.

And we are the greatest nation on earth. Deal with it.


11 posted on 03/14/2008 8:19:43 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tennteacher; All
The words of this minister of God were appalling after 9/11. Why are they only now appalling to Barack Obama?

As discussed on one of the many political talk shows of the evening, there's no way - NO WAY - a member of a congregation, even a casual churchgoer, would not hear about such hateful, ignorant, and contemptible statements from the pulpit, within the community. Unless of course these sermons are the status quo, regular fodder and thus not newsworthy in the community - or if you actually are not really a church member and send your sizeable donations to keep your membership current for whatever ulterior motive (aka political) you may have.

12 posted on 03/14/2008 8:19:57 PM PDT by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: bahblahbah
"The United States of America became a powerful nation on the backs of free labor; slavery. 400 years later the effects of that, Jim Crow laws and discrimination still exist. . . .

"I am well educated.

"Well educated"? Not in history: this country was built by the sweat of ALL of its people, who built the factories and cities, farmed the wilderness, who fought and died in the Civil War, and who sacrificed for the freedom of others around the world. And not in math: from 1865 to 2007 is not 400 years.

13 posted on 03/14/2008 8:21:08 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: bahblahbah
Hussein claims he somehow missed this sermon. If Wright didn't preach like that regularly, don't you think another member wouldn't tell old Obama: "Man, you should have heard old Jeremiah last Sunday. He was really wild, slammin' The Man, bro. I think he's off his rocker"

The facts are that Wright probably preached that hate speech regularly. Someone needs to document that, and also document Obama's attendance.

14 posted on 03/14/2008 8:22:23 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: bahblahbah

I’m sure this is an anomoly and that this is probably the only church in America where this kind of rhetoric is taught.


15 posted on 03/14/2008 8:22:24 PM PDT by umgud
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To: yldstrk

Barak Obama had nearly twenty years to learn what was going on in that pulpit and did not find out til now. (light bulb over my bald head) Mr. Obama is too slow a study to be President of the USA.


16 posted on 03/14/2008 8:23:19 PM PDT by cornbreadmuffin (I WANT NEWT FOR PRESIDENT....I WANT NEWT FOR PRESIDENT....I WANT NEWT)
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To: bahblahbah
From the pews of Trinity United Church of Christ...

...to the Presidency of the United States of America.

America sure sucks, doesn't it, Michelle, you ungrateful wench; the best argument that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" is your attitude.

17 posted on 03/14/2008 8:23:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian,.)
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To: tennteacher
“Trinity United Church of Christ promotes the positiveness of being black in this country because everyday we see images that say otherwise. White churches don't have to do that because being white in this country is already seen as being a plus.”

Substitute short and ugly for “Black” or ...

People are prejudice about almost everything, big noses, fat legs, gang bangers, metal in the face, (I am prejudiced against facial hair) and you name it.

But the lowest of the low is this Reverend, who inflames prejudices, with lies and histrionics only to promote himself. The devil is awaiting.

18 posted on 03/14/2008 8:23:31 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: bahblahbah

Barak’s church is an exact mirror image of the White Aryan Nations “Christian Identity Church.”

Just reverse the races, the hate is the same.

Putting “Christ” in the name of a racist organization does not make it less racist.


19 posted on 03/14/2008 8:23:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: bahblahbah

Will limit your opportunities? How do you know? When did you graduate? What position do you have now?


20 posted on 03/14/2008 8:24:20 PM PDT by paguch
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To: bahblahbah
Obama called Wright's statements "inflammatory and appalling" and said, "Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the. subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."

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Dude be lyin his @$$ off. But we votin for him anyway.

21 posted on 03/14/2008 8:25:03 PM PDT by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: bahblahbah

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1985958/posts?page=39#39


22 posted on 03/14/2008 8:25:42 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: bahblahbah

He better go back and restudy his history. Some inconvenient truths need to be brought to the attention of these people:

1. Slavery was only used in a lesser populated half of this country’s states.

2. It also ceased nearly 150 years ago.

3. Tens of thousands of white men gave up their lives in the Civil War in order to free them.

4. It was the Repulican Party which was responsible for their liberation.

5. It was also the Democrats who were supporting the lynchings since then.

6. It was Eisenhower, a Republican, that ended segregation.

7. It was Johnson, a Democrat, who broke up their families and by giving them welfare.

I get so fed up with their historical ignorance.


23 posted on 03/14/2008 8:26:04 PM PDT by chopperman
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To: metmom
This country wasn’t built on slavery.

Right. Much of the North was built by poor whites, like the Irish laborers who died like flies on projects like the Erie Canal, or the Yankees who built stone walls all over the mountains of New England after clearing the forests with hand tools, or the Italian masons who built many of the finer buildings, or the Welsh miners, or the Pennsylvania German farmers.

24 posted on 03/14/2008 8:26:13 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: umgud

Was that sarcasm...im dense sometimes.


25 posted on 03/14/2008 8:26:34 PM PDT by chasio649 (sick of it all)
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To: metmom

Beat me to it. Well said.


26 posted on 03/14/2008 8:27:16 PM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: chasio649

Yup.


27 posted on 03/14/2008 8:27:29 PM PDT by umgud
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To: yldstrk

Hitlary must be having mental orgasms over this latest development. ;-)


28 posted on 03/14/2008 8:27:33 PM PDT by doc1019 (God is in control ... not Global Warming.)
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To: bahblahbah
Wow, this is one brain-washed fellow. But that is the idea, just like in a Muslim Madrassa.
29 posted on 03/14/2008 8:27:54 PM PDT by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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And Lincoln sent Irish immigrants of the Potato famine from the ships directly into the Civil War. Right there on the dock were the sheets to sign up and march off...by force.


30 posted on 03/14/2008 8:29:24 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: bahblahbah

There are those who say that Mitt Romney lost the nomination because of his church. Need I say more?


31 posted on 03/14/2008 8:29:35 PM PDT by tennteacher (Hunter Conservative)
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To: bahblahbah

What amazes me is that this sort of speaking passes as religious fare in a church. I actually thought that churches existed to spread the good news that Jesus died for our sins - not to stand up and espouse hatred for others! Where is Mr. Wright’s forgiveness? As the Lord said, “Forgive our sins, as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

On a broader note, I have to say that the marriage of politics and the pulpit that apparently exists in so many churches is wrong - whether from the right or the left. The first church lived under Nero who used them as torches in his garden and for lion food. Yet, they managed to win converts through preaching the good news - not overthrowing the government. Many of Jesus’ followers deserted him when they figured out He did not come to be a political figure. It appears that many so called pastors today have left Jesus as well to try and effect political policy.


32 posted on 03/14/2008 8:31:27 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: chopperman

Also do not forget how much of this nation’s wealth, prosperity and infrastructure was lost forever as a direct result of the Civil War and the decades after - in large part to clear the scourge of slavery from within our borders. We did not emerge from the slavery/civil war as a massively prosperous powerhouse but a smoking hulk that had to pull together and pull ourselves up.


33 posted on 03/14/2008 8:31:42 PM PDT by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: bahblahbah

<< ...in this country the fact that I am not white and male will limit my opportunities. This is not racist. This is the truth. >>

What a stinking load of bullsh*t. I’m black too, but my parents and grand parents never taught me that I was born limited, and they never once let me buy that ticket.


34 posted on 03/14/2008 8:33:03 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: bahblahbah
black preacher implosion
35 posted on 03/14/2008 8:33:19 PM PDT by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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To: hellbender
Much of the North was built by poor whites

As was much of the rest of the country. But "poor whites" aren't a victim group because their goal is to stop being poor whites and start living a good life and owning their own future, instead of complaining endlessly about the past hardships suffered by their ancestors in the old country.

36 posted on 03/14/2008 8:33:31 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: hellbender
Much of the North was built by poor whites

As was much of the rest of the country. But "poor whites" aren't a victim group because their goal is to stop being poor whites and start living a good life and owning their own future, instead of complaining endlessly about the past hardships suffered by their ancestors in the old country.

37 posted on 03/14/2008 8:33:56 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: yldstrk

Hillery and Carville have “let the cat out of the bag”. We offered you VP and you wouldn’t take it. Now seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee what you made us do.


38 posted on 03/14/2008 8:34:24 PM PDT by cornbreadmuffin (I WANT NEWT FOR PRESIDENT....I WANT NEWT FOR PRESIDENT....I WANT NEWT)
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To: hsalaw

Oops. Sorry for the double post. Finger twitch.


39 posted on 03/14/2008 8:34:33 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw; hellbender
Much of the north was built by UPWARDLY MOBILE, IMMIGRANT poor whites. They also pushed their kids to DO BETTER than them, which is why we don't have many poor whites in this part of the world anymore.

Its the engineers, the entrepreneurs, and craftsmen that REALLY built America, in all honesty, to say nothing of the soldiers who conquered it to begin with.

40 posted on 03/14/2008 8:36:14 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: hsalaw

<< ...from 1865 to 2007 is not 400 years. >>

The 400 years he speaks of are counted starting from well before the Revolutionary War. Not from the end of the Civil War.

And yes, this great nation was built by ALL its people.


41 posted on 03/14/2008 8:37:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: metmom
Ditto!

Dear Rev: sorry I was born White with Blue eyes. I didn't make this decision. God did.

Too bad you blame all your problems on the fact that you are black. Doesn't bother me, or God.

I'm sick and tired of the blame America crowd. You have choices. Head back to Africa if you feel so disenfranchised and living in a Country that you don't respect.

BTW, I believe Obama’s mother is white. Can Senator Obama have it both ways?

Proud to be an American!

42 posted on 03/14/2008 8:38:41 PM PDT by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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To: Bahbah
However, in this country the fact that I am not white and male will limit my opportunities.

Sure. Right. Tell that to Oprah.
43 posted on 03/14/2008 8:39:17 PM PDT by Little Ray (It is time to drink the KoolAid: McCain for President!)
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To: bahblahbah

“However, in this country the fact that I am not white and male will limit my opportunities. This is not racist. This is the truth.”

Tell it to that other $300,000 a year black woman from your church.


44 posted on 03/14/2008 8:40:20 PM PDT by eclecticEel (oh well, Hunter 2012 anyone?)
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To: bahblahbah
the USA has not been an innocent

Yes, we have been. We have been the most upright, well-meaning and selflessly-helpful country the world has ever known. Anyone who does not believe that cannot be the president of this country.

45 posted on 03/14/2008 8:42:30 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great...(until it happens to YOU).)
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To: bahblahbah

“Rev Wright’s words may seem rascist to people who look at this world through rose colored glasses. You are the same people who think that the USA is the superior country and for some of you that white America is the superior race. That is sad.”

The people of the world think the USA is a superior nation as attested by the millions trying to come here legally and illegally. What’s sad is a natural born citizen with a Bachelor’s and Master’s from well regarded universities whining as if he’s been denied every opportunity to achieve in the US. Go live in some of the wonderful nations where blacks are in the majority and you’ll learn what limited opportunity really is. Maybe what no opportunity is. Start you own accounting firm and stop whining. Your opportunities are being limited by your attitude, not by racism.

“White churches don’t have to do that because being white in this country is already seen as being a plus.”

That’s because whites created and founded this country. It’s a transplanted European civilization. You’re free to move and take advantage of greater opportunities elsewhere.

“The United States of America became a powerful nation on the backs of free labor; slavery. 400 years later the effects of that, Jim Crow laws and discrimination still exist.”

Complete nonsense. Slavery held the South and the US back with a reliance on slave labor rather than innovation nand invention. Strange how the industrial revolution hit its peak in the US after emancipation. And whatever wealth was built up in the South was largely destroyed during the Civil War.

Slavery benefited a few slaveholders (about 5% in the South) and few others. It pitted farmers who did their own work against slave labor, and a large majority of farmers did their own work on relatively small farms.

All this dude is doing is keeping his built in excuses well honed in case he fails.


46 posted on 03/14/2008 8:43:30 PM PDT by Will88
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To: bahblahbah

Y’all...SAY HELLO TO PRESIDENT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON...


47 posted on 03/14/2008 8:44:59 PM PDT by Fred (Looking Forward to Impeaching the other Clinton)
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To: bahblahbah
"I am well educated. I have a BS in Accounting for the Univesity of Illinois and I have an MBA from Northwestern University. However, in this country the fact that I am not white and male will limit my opportunities. This is not racist. This is the truth.

Unadulterated BS.

Perhaps he should go for a Ph.D. in Grievance Studies. Sounds like he's in Chicago; now that Jeremiah Wright is retired, maybe he'd serve as external advisor to his dissertation committee.

48 posted on 03/14/2008 8:45:57 PM PDT by freespirited (A government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.- Barry Goldwater)
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To: hsalaw
And the Japanese-Americans rebounded from being herded into concentration camps during WWII. Not many poor Japanese-Americans around, last time I looked.

Also, at the time whites were building hundreds of miles of stone walls over rocky mountain slopes in New England, there was no "govt. safety net," no welfare, no guarantee of anything. People worked 6 days a week as long as there was light to work. Illegitimacy was stigmatized. Theft would probably get you hanged. No drugs to escape into.

49 posted on 03/14/2008 8:47:17 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Lizavetta

“I am well educated. I have a BS in Accounting for the Univesity of Illinois and I have an MBA from Northwestern University

How many black women did that fifty yers ago?


50 posted on 03/14/2008 8:49:59 PM PDT by nola61
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