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Everyone is missing the larger point in the Obama flap...
Maverick68

Posted on 03/15/2008 6:11:52 AM PDT by Maverick68

Obama has "rejected" the hate filled rantings of his pastor, but has said NOTHING to repudiate the reaction of the congregation. His "family" seems to wholeheartedly embrace the hateful, antiSemitic, antiWhite, antiAmerican filth that spews from "Pastor" Wright's mouth. He should NOT be allowed to distance himself from this until he distances himself from the whole church, a church which readily embraces bigotry.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: blacktheology; church; jeremiahsmessiah; jeremiahwright; nobama; obama; yayanothervanity
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To: raybbr

I don’t know about all that. He is married to a woman with these feelings though.


21 posted on 03/15/2008 6:28:08 AM PDT by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: Maverick68

Sorry. Still won’t vote for McLame. In his heart he’s a big government liberals.


22 posted on 03/15/2008 6:29:07 AM PDT by kjo
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To: raybbr
No really, his wife has got some serious hate-baggage. Forgive the self-link, but it's too much to go into on this thread.
23 posted on 03/15/2008 6:30:14 AM PDT by JoanVarga ("¿Por qué no te calles?")
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To: HD1200

There are over 8,000 members of just this one church that sit and listen to the poison Rev. Wright spews with most of them chanting, singing, & announcing “praise the lord” as he states the most bigoted, racists, hate america speech 99% of Americans have ever heard.


You’ve just described the modern Democrat Party.


24 posted on 03/15/2008 6:31:43 AM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Maverick68

I’m looking forward to Rush on Monday! He’ll probably devote most of the show to making your points quite well.


25 posted on 03/15/2008 6:31:56 AM PDT by Slump Tester (Only CINOs and democRATs knowingly and willingly vote for RINOs!)
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To: BGHater

Yes, there is a difference. But based on what I’ve heard, I’m not seeing your distinction.

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System...:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

I see both bigotry and racism here. I suppose it is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. And can anybody define for me exactly what the “black value system” is?


26 posted on 03/15/2008 6:32:26 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Maverick68

The most important lesson in this whole issue is that it is giving some white Americans ideas about the depths of Black racism. Something they have been assured has never has existed.


27 posted on 03/15/2008 6:33:50 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Maverick68

Even if he does denounce the pastor, the congregation and leaves the church, it still won’t mean anything. He obviously agrees with the preachings and the reaction of the members or he would have left this church years ago.


28 posted on 03/15/2008 6:34:01 AM PDT by Ima Lurker
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To: Maverick68
The "Liberation Theology" that is preached from the pulpit is a lot more of a concern to me than racist congregation.
29 posted on 03/15/2008 6:34:56 AM PDT by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Mostly, I see “separatism” there, which is just bigotry in drag. It would be interesting to drill down into some of those categories like “Black Value System” and “MiddleClassness” (what the....?)


30 posted on 03/15/2008 6:39:08 AM PDT by JoanVarga ("¿Por qué no te calles?")
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To: Lee'sGhost
And can anybody define for me exactly what the “black value system” is?

“black value system” = "Liberation Theology" = Marxism using religion to achieve it's goals

31 posted on 03/15/2008 6:41:01 AM PDT by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: Maverick68

I agree .. and thanks for bringing us back on track with this whole scandal.


32 posted on 03/15/2008 6:43:22 AM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: Last Dakotan

ditto


33 posted on 03/15/2008 6:44:40 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: raybbr
Why does [Obama] attend a church that constantly decries white people when he’s half white?

Because it seemed philosophically congenial and politically expedient at the time?

34 posted on 03/15/2008 6:45:57 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The women got the vote and the Nation got Harding.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

I have to disagree.

The majority of congregations are lead by spiritual leaders preaching the gospel.

This congregation is led by a leader preaching hatred.

At some point, this congregation made the transition from “congregation” to “hate group” similar to the KKK in doctrine but for blacks.


35 posted on 03/15/2008 6:49:16 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I do have all my socks matching)
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To: Ima Lurker
He obviously agrees with the preachings and the reaction of the members or he would have left this church years ago.

Uh, this also probably describes many Freepers who attend similar churches which preach the hatred of America, promote liberalism, abortion, homosexuality and a worship of the earth rather than the saving Grace of Jesus Christ.

I know. I left such a church. It's time for all Freepers to do the same thing.

If your church is on this list of member churches of the National Council of Churches, you're part of the problem.

• African Methodist Episcopal Church
• The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
• Alliance of Baptists
• American Baptist Churches in the USA
• Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
• Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
• Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
• Church of the Brethren
• The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
• The Episcopal Church
• Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
• Friends United Meeting
• Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
• Hungarian Reformed Church in America
• International Council of Community Churches
• Korean Presbyterian Church in America
• Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
• Mar Thoma Church
• Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
• National Baptist Convention of America
• National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
• National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
• Orthodox Church in America
• Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
• Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
• Polish National Catholic Church of America
• Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
• Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
• Reformed Church in America
• Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
• The Swedenborgian Church
• Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
• Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
• United Church of Christ
• The United Methodist Church •

36 posted on 03/15/2008 6:55:41 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: raybbr

And why would Oprah attend? Oh, that’s right, I forgot about how she views her employees


37 posted on 03/15/2008 6:56:28 AM PDT by Angry Mad Scientist
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Agreed. Similarly, any Freepers who are members of the Senate and running for President should resign their position immediately and end their campaign for POTUS!


38 posted on 03/15/2008 7:08:37 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: raybbr

I believe that like Halle Barry, the 1st Black Academy award winner, you cannot claim the title if you accept the fact that you are half white.

The first mixed marriage President, Spike Lee would not even vote for him.


39 posted on 03/15/2008 7:18:45 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: kjo
McCain was not my first choice either but I am going to give him money and vote for him. It is NOT in *our *self *interest to sit out and give it to either hillary or obama. I hope you will change your mind by election time.
40 posted on 03/15/2008 7:18:51 AM PDT by Ditter
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