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Ron Paul on Eliot Spitzer: He acted badly but didn't deserve this
Politico ^ | 3/14/08 | Staff/Ron Paul

Posted on 03/15/2008 9:13:01 AM PDT by pissant

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), he of the quixotic GOP presidential campaign and unique policy positions, is never one to be shy about his opinions. Take the case of fallen New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer (D), whose political career fell apart this week after his liaisons with high-priced call girls became public. Spitzer resigned his office effective Monday.

Most politicians from both sides of the aisle publicly (at least) offered condolences for Spitzer and his poor family, including his three daughters, but didn't — of course — defend Spitzer's atrocious behavior.

But for Paul, Spitzer's downfall at the hands of a Justice Dept. investigation shows government at its worst. Yes, Spitzer climbed to power on the backs of political enemies he destroyed, making him not a swell guy, but he didn't deserve what happened to him. The FBI should have never been allowed to listen in to his phone call in the first place, according to the Texas Republican.

Here's the statement Paul made on the House floor last night. It's worth reading, at least for the enlightenment it gives into Paul's view of the world, which basically comes down to who controls the money:

"Madam Speaker, it has been said that 'he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.' And in the case of Eliot Spitzer, this couldn't be more true. In his case it's the political sword, as his enemies rejoice in his downfall. Most people, it seems, believe he got exactly what he deserved.

"The illegal tools of the state brought Spitzer down, but think of all the harm done by Spitzer in using the same tools against so many other innocent people. He practiced what could be termed 'economic McCarthyism,' using illegitimate government power to build his political career on the ruined lives of others.

"No matter how morally justified his comeuppance may be, his downfall demonstrates the worst of our society. The possibility of uncovering personal moral wrongdoing is never a justification for the government to spy on our every move and to participate in sting operations.

"For government to entice a citizen to break a law with a sting operation — that is, engaging in activities that a private citizen is prohibited by law from doing — is unconscionable and should clearly be illegal.

"Though Spitzer used the same tools to destroy individuals charged with economic crimes that ended up being used against him, gloating over his downfall should not divert our attention from the fact that the government spying on American citizens is unworthy of a country claiming respect for liberty and the Fourth Amendment.

"Two wrongs do not make a right. Two wrongs make it doubly wrong.

"Sacrifice of our personal privacy has been ongoing for decades but has rapidly accelerated since 9/11. Before 9/11, the unstated goal of collecting revenue was the real reason for the erosion of our financial privacy. When 19 suicidal maniacs attacked us on 9/11, our country became convinced that further sacrifice of personal and financial privacy was required for our security.

"The driving force behind this ongoing sacrifice of our privacy has been fear and the emotional effect of war rhetoric — war on drugs, war against terrorism and the war against Third World nations in the Middle East who are claimed to be the equivalent to Hitler and Nazi Germany.

"But the real reason for all this surveillance is to build the power of the state. It arises from a virulent dislike of free people running their own lives and spending their own money. Statists always demand control of the people and their money.

"Recently we've been told that this increase in the already intolerable invasion of our privacy was justified because the purpose was to apprehend terrorists. We were told that the massive amounts of information being collected on Americans would only be used to root out terrorists. But as we can see today, this monitoring of private activities can also be used for political reasons. We should always be concerned when the government accumulates information on innocent citizens.

"Spitzer was brought down because he legally withdrew cash from a bank — not because he committed a crime. This should prompt us to reassess and hopefully reverse this trend of pervasive government intrusion in our private lives.

"We need no more Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act! No more Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Acts! No more torture! No more Military Commissions Act! No more secret prisons and extraordinary rendition! No more abuse of habeas corpus! No more Patriot Acts!

"What we need is more government transparency and more privacy for the individual!"


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Kentucky; US: New York; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 110th; chriskyle; eliotspitzer; kentucky; newyork; randsconcerntrolls; ronpaul; spitzer; texas
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Someone needs to tell Ron Paul they did not use the patriot act to catch Spitzer.
1 posted on 03/15/2008 9:13:02 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

I think he has a problem of Gov’t tracking financial transactions of your money.


2 posted on 03/15/2008 9:16:29 AM PDT by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: pissant

What’s he talking about? What entrapment?

Now if he wants to talk about eliminating this Orwellian law requiring banks to snitch on us when we spend our own cash, I’m listening.


3 posted on 03/15/2008 9:16:54 AM PDT by DManA
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To: pissant
No more Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Acts! No more torture! No more Military Commissions Act! No more secret prisons and extraordinary rendition! No more abuse of habeas corpus! No more Patriot Acts!

"They tried to make me go to rehab
I said no, no, no."

4 posted on 03/15/2008 9:17:05 AM PDT by Allegra (Posting without being logged on since 2001)
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To: pissant

Objectively speaking, what Spitzer did was really not that bad. But he had been such a dick for so long to so many people for so long, the line to kick him when he is down stretches out the door and around the block.

Moral of the story: Don’t be a dick.


5 posted on 03/15/2008 9:17:44 AM PDT by gridlock (They don't call us "The Stupid Party" for nuthin'!)
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To: pissant

Wonder what Ron Paul’s client number is?


6 posted on 03/15/2008 9:19:13 AM PDT by Loyalist (Social justice isn't; social studies aren't; social work doesn't.)
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To: BGHater

That’s fine and dandy, but the laws governing banking transactions were around long before 911


7 posted on 03/15/2008 9:20:51 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
didn't deserve what? He deserves to lose the public trust (he deserved it a long time ago); his wife should divorce him, and he should come face to face with what a disgrace he has been.

I hope for his sake he does. It's his only hope as a human to join the human race.

8 posted on 03/15/2008 9:21:51 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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To: pissant

This is the exact argument being used in all the libertarian blogs.


9 posted on 03/15/2008 9:22:17 AM PDT by The Mayor (The purpose of prayer is not to get what we want, but to become what God wants.)
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To: gridlock

That and the fact that it exposed him to extortion and manipulation by those whose services he was using. For example, granting of pardons.


10 posted on 03/15/2008 9:22:24 AM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: gridlock

Be nice to people on the way up ‘cause you may meet them again on the way down.


11 posted on 03/15/2008 9:22:32 AM PDT by DManA
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To: pissant
When 19 suicidal maniacs attacked us on 9/11,

Oh' No.

Ron Paul just lost half his base, the 9/11 truthers

12 posted on 03/15/2008 9:22:36 AM PDT by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: BGHater

Yeah, its actually very disturbing that we are watched so closely. If the “watchers” were beyond corruption it could be ok, but they aren’t. I wonder how many blackmail attempts, insider trading and other “nice” activiites have been by those who get free access to our financial transactions, emails and other private info sources.


13 posted on 03/15/2008 9:22:46 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: pissant
but he didn't deserve what happened to him.

BULLSH*T!!!

This scum bag, cum Czar, (no pun intended) got his comeuppance he so justly deserved and as there IS a GOD there is a distinct possibility he may become a statistic of the justice system he so abused in prosecuting and "persecuting" so many others--for no other reasons than personal aggrandizement and political gains.

14 posted on 03/15/2008 9:22:57 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: DManA
I'm with Meagan McArdle on this point: I think we should have more oversight, investigation, and detailed surveillance of our elected officials entrusted with National Security even on a State level. We do no less with military personnel, up to and including a "morality" clause.

Many CEOs and Presidents of large corporations have to agree to such a contract stipulation. Why shouldn't our "public servants" expect to be scrutinized at least as much as the rest of us?

And Ron Paul standing up for him puts him under the microscope, as far as I'm concerned.

-Joan

15 posted on 03/15/2008 9:24:05 AM PDT by JoanVarga ("¿Por qué no te calles?")
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To: gridlock
Objectively speaking, what Spitzer did was really not that bad.

tell that to his wife and children, whom he has disgraced and publicly humiliated.

Tell that to the founders, who understood that freedom cannot exist without the moral rectitude worthy of it.

The term "objectively" implies some unbiased perspective; I challenge you on that. Your opinion is biased toward amorality, which is by no means "objective," it is immoral axiomatically.

16 posted on 03/15/2008 9:24:38 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

For all we know, his wife gave him consent. I know some people whose spouses don’t have much interest and have no problem with them engaging in occasional “breaks”.


17 posted on 03/15/2008 9:25:30 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: pissant

He set himself up for blackmail, you idiot.


18 posted on 03/15/2008 9:26:11 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: pissant

This was hardly a “sting.”


19 posted on 03/15/2008 9:27:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
The term "objectively" implies some unbiased perspective; I challenge you on that. Your opinion is biased toward amorality, which is by no means "objective," it is immoral axiomatically.

And I'll challenge the objectivity of any "moral absolutes" argument.

20 posted on 03/15/2008 9:27:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DManA

Entrapment? Sure, the chick went to his house, put a gun to his head, and dragged him off to a brothel. I’m really crying a river for this POS.

If this dude were a Bush operative, he’d be worse than Satan and the media would be killing themselves to connect GW to it.


21 posted on 03/15/2008 9:27:23 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberals: can't live with them, can't ship them to Canada.)
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To: pissant

Any hope I had for Ron Paul and sanity just vanished. The old boy just needs to go away and shut up at this point.


22 posted on 03/15/2008 9:27:40 AM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: pissant

Eliot Spitzer was the governor of the state of New York. He got elected as governor largely because he’d been state attorney general. He got elected AG largely because he’d been a member of the New York County (aka Manhattan) DA’s office. In either of which offices, had he caught a pol doing what he was doing (and thought for a moment it might be good for the resume), my impression is he’d have run the sucker over and not even left skidmarks.

Didn’t deserve it? Yeah, he did.


23 posted on 03/15/2008 9:28:47 AM PDT by RichInOC (...William Frank Buckley, Jr., November 24, 1925-February 27, 2008, R.I.P.)
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To: StolarStorm
For all we know, his wife gave him consent. I know some people whose spouses don’t have much interest and have no problem with them engaging in occasional “breaks”.

I don't care if she paid for it out of her trust fund. She was still made a fool of publicly. The fact is not changed, if she doesn't have the sense to realize it.

The prostitute, likewise. Surely it was her choice to prostitute herself for a grand an hour. The violence she has done to her own dignity is not diminished by her ignorance of it. But it is enabled by it.

24 posted on 03/15/2008 9:28:55 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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To: pissant

“Idiot” meaning Paul and like-minded apologists for public officials, not you, pissant.


25 posted on 03/15/2008 9:29:09 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: AuntB

Pretty damning words. What planet is this guy from?


26 posted on 03/15/2008 9:29:56 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: gridlock
Objectively speaking, what Spitzer did was really not that bad

I disagree.

If the CEO of the largest plumbing company in NY was caught doing what Spitzer did, I would agree, it really wasn't that bad nor would it make news

But Spitzer was paying for hookers when he was AG and Governor, all the while going after people for he exact same thing.

He left himself open to blackmailed and compromised by the criminal element he was supposed to protect NY'er from.

27 posted on 03/15/2008 9:30:02 AM PDT by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: tacticalogic
And I'll challenge the objectivity of any "moral absolutes" argument.

Close your eyes and the world does not disappear.

28 posted on 03/15/2008 9:30:10 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

In most countries this would garner a chuckle and little more. People in the USA are so darn uptight about sex.


29 posted on 03/15/2008 9:30:13 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: AuntB

He somehow manages to get his licks in against our foreign policy, no matter WHAT the subject matter he is discussing. LOL


30 posted on 03/15/2008 9:30:48 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Yes he did deserve this, but long before they caught him with a prostitute.


31 posted on 03/15/2008 9:30:55 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Even if it had been, since when is a money laundering whorehouse not stingworthy?


32 posted on 03/15/2008 9:31:44 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
"The illegal tools of the state"?

Ron Paul may have had some good ideas, but he's a nut-job.

33 posted on 03/15/2008 9:31:47 AM PDT by Slump Tester (Only CINOs and democRATs knowingly and willingly vote for RINOs!)
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To: pissant

“But the real reason for all this surveillance is to build the power of the state. It arises from a virulent dislike of free people running their own lives and spending their own money. Statists always demand control of the people and their money.

disregarding the rest of the article, these two sentences I absolutely agree with..


34 posted on 03/15/2008 9:32:02 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (If the left doesn't want me to say Barack HUSSEIN Obama, I WON'T say HUSSEIN..I promise,)
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To: pissant

Paul is a goofy SOB

I heard a shortwave radio station this week that was Ron Paul cwazy. it was in the 5000 khz range.
This guy wont quit, I’ll give him that


35 posted on 03/15/2008 9:32:12 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BGHater

I heard something about misuse of campaign funds.Paul is such an a$$.


36 posted on 03/15/2008 9:32:26 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: tacticalogic
And I'll challenge the objectivity of any "moral absolutes" argument. And I'll challenge the objectivity of any "moral absolutes" argument.

You assert an "amoral" position as being objective. Insofar as it is patently exclusive of the moral position (as you have reiterated), how then can it be truly "objective?"

Call me stupid, but I can't seem to figure that out.

37 posted on 03/15/2008 9:32:31 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
He set himself up for blackmail, you idiot.

Exactly! I shudder to think what would have transpired in the Clinton years if Monica were working for the KGB.

38 posted on 03/15/2008 9:32:43 AM PDT by Snardius
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To: pissant
Someone needs to tell Ron Paul they did not use the patriot act to catch Spitzer.

I'm sure Paul is very much aware of that. He is claiming that the wiretap used to bring down Spitzer is in violation of Spitzer's Fourth Amendment rights (questionable, IMO - was it pursuant to a warrant?), and that government power over Americans is dangerously growing with relatively recent acts of Congress, including those mentioned.

BTW, I don't necessarily agree with Paul on the specifics of each part of each of the acts he cited, but his general concern about overreaching government power over American citizens is much appreciated.

39 posted on 03/15/2008 9:32:49 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: The Mayor
This is the exact argument being used in all the libertarian blogs

Which is why the libertarians are considered the crazy uncles in the attic.

Cause they are.

40 posted on 03/15/2008 9:32:56 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: pissant

Breaking the laws you make and swear to uphold is big.

whadda’ fool


41 posted on 03/15/2008 9:33:20 AM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.)
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To: Snardius

I always thought there was a mossad connection there myself.


42 posted on 03/15/2008 9:33:35 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: justiceseeker93

Indeed. I’d argue that 70% of the federal gov’t needs to go away altogether.


43 posted on 03/15/2008 9:34:10 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Who is Ron Paul?


44 posted on 03/15/2008 9:36:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Lakeshark

I agree.


45 posted on 03/15/2008 9:37:03 AM PDT by The Mayor (The purpose of prayer is not to get what we want, but to become what God wants.)
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To: pissant

“Ron Paul (R-Texas), he of the quixotic GOP presidential campaign and unique policy positions, is never one to be shy about his opinions.” One problem with Paul’s opinion is that he has no idea what the facts of the case are. Therefore, at this point, his opinion is worthless.


46 posted on 03/15/2008 9:40:27 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: BGHater
I think he has a problem of Gov't tracking financial transactions of your money.

He certainly does, and he (Cong. Paul) makes a valid point there. Should banks be required to report to Big Brother every transaction over x dollars that any customer participates in? Where in the Constitution does Congress have the power to compel such snooping by private entities over private citizens?

47 posted on 03/15/2008 9:40:48 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Snardius
Exactly! I shudder to think what would have transpired in the Clinton years if Monica were working for the KGB.

I don't think it would have mattered. Bill and Hill were already working for them. On the issue of Spitzer, he enthusiastically used all of the tools that were used against him when he was Attorney General, and had no problem with them when he was on the other side of the courtroom. What's the old saying? A liberal is a conservative that's just been arrested?

Part of the glee with which the downfall of Spitzer was greeted was because he so enthusiastically prosecuted prostitution rings. It's hard to feel sympathy for someone when they're caught in their own trap.

48 posted on 03/15/2008 9:42:03 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: StolarStorm
In most countries this would garner a chuckle and little more. People in the USA are so darn uptight about sex.

Do we really want to be like most countries?

It seems the more we become like most countries socially, the more we are becoming like them overall.

49 posted on 03/15/2008 9:42:30 AM PDT by Allegra (Posting without being logged on since 2001)
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To: pissant
"Two wrongs do not make a right."

Yes, but two Wrights do make an airplane.

50 posted on 03/15/2008 9:43:25 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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