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BA jumbo flies 6,000 miles (and burns 5,400 carloads of fuel) with all its 300 seats empty
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | Last updated at 00:03am on 16th March 2008 | CHRISTOPHER LEAKE

Posted on 03/16/2008 6:44:56 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

British Airways has sparked an environmental row by flying a jumbo jet 6,000 miles to Hong Kong without a single passenger on board.

The Boeing 747 made the 11-hour trip manned by just four flightdeck crew, while all 300 seats behind them remained empty.

During its journey from Heathrow, BA Flight 0027 burned a massive 140 tons of fuel – the equivalent of filling 5,400 family-sized cars – and emitted 329 tons of CO2.

Passengers due to board the aircraft last Sunday were told by BA staff that not enough cabin crew were available for duty and they caught a later flight.

It is thought that scores more planes are being flown without passengers all over the world.

Today, another BA jumbo due to fly from Heathrow to Bombay in India is expected to have no passengers on both its outward and return journeys. The 9,000-mile round trip will burn at least 200 tons of fuel and emit 486 tons of CO2.

BA claims on its website that it is "leading the climate change debate" in the aviation industry to reduce the carbon footprint and that the "most senior people at British Airways are taking a leading role".

It adds: "Together, we promote technology that helps limit the impact of aircraft."

But Greenpeace climate campaigner Anna Jones said: "Aviation is now responsible for 13 per cent of the UK's impact on the climate, and this figure is rising fast.

"While the airlines tell us they desperately need new terminals and runways, they fly empty planes halfway across the world.

"Gordon Brown needs to get a grip on this industry before its wastefulness ruins our chances of tackling climate change."

And Shadow Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Peter Ainsworth said last night: "This is a stark example of the perverse way in which the aviation industry works.

"It is utterly ludicrous that at a time of growing public concern about aviation's contribution to climate change, British Airways is operating ghost flights in order to keep its take-off and landing slots at airports."

A BA spokesman said that although the flights did not have any passengers, they carried extra freight.

He added: "The flights would have flown as part of the schedule anyway, so no extra emissions are being created.

"This is about minimising customer inconvenience wherever possible and ensuring that as many flights in our schedule operate as planned."



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airlines; ba; britishairways; sooooowhat
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To: MaxMax

The weight of the passengers would increase the amount of fuel burned. They did everyone a favor.

Sheesh!


61 posted on 03/16/2008 8:45:12 PM PDT by bootless
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To: July 4th
"That said, have the enviro wackos ever noticed the number of completely empty buses, etc., that tool around cities disguised as “mass transportation”? Who lobbied for that?

Excellent point.

62 posted on 03/16/2008 8:52:56 PM PDT by theymakemesick (The war on drugs benefits government agencies, politicians and drug dealers, they don't want to win.)
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To: bootless
I understand that, but if you want to be technical, the planes are full of cargo.
People or not, nothing is saved. And what they do with their gas is not our problem.
63 posted on 03/16/2008 8:55:36 PM PDT by MaxMax (I need a life after politics)
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To: buccaneer81
“It didn't cost the rest of us a dime. And as far as carbon in the atmosphere, I couldn't care less.”

LOL! Thats the spirit!

On the other hand one jet flying algore anywhere is a useless waste of fuel.

64 posted on 03/16/2008 8:56:14 PM PDT by JSteff ( This election is about the 4 or 5 Supreme Court Justices who will retire . Vote Accordingly!)
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To: umgud
Let's see. Octane (just to pick some kind of standard fuel) is 96/114 parts carbon by weight. That means that 140 tons of octane would be 117 tons of carbon. Combust that completely and the weight of the carbon dioxide produced would be 429 tons of CO2.

Carbon dioxide is made up of one atom of Carbon, atomic weight 12, and 2 atoms of Oxygen, atomic weight 16. So an atom with a weight of 12 oxidizes - adding another 32 units of weight - and reaches a molecular weight of 44. 117 * (44/12) gives 429. The math works because Oxygen is 16 times heavier than Hydrogen and even heavier than Carbon itself, and each Carbon picks up two of them.

65 posted on 03/16/2008 9:01:02 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Paleo Conservative

I love it when non-airline people act like they know the industry. We fly empty all the time. We have to move planes into position for charters, we reposition planes for the STAR flights in the morning, and we move empty aircraft to cover for broken planes. The article probably neglects to mention that trip back was probably full and it was worth it to BA to ferry a crew and a plane to Hong Kong to save another cancel. I didnt read the whole article, I stopped when it got to Co2 emissions..


66 posted on 03/16/2008 9:04:27 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: Clintonfatigued
It is thought that scores more planes are being flown without passengers all over the world.

A few months ago, I reported to Pittsburgh because I was changing a Sunday evening flight (nearly 100% full) for a Sunday morning flight (only 40% full).

They wanted a $25 change fee for what was supposed to be a cheaper flight. I told them I was flying standby because I knew there were seats available. They told me it would be $25 or I wouldn't get on. When I paid the fee, the agent told me US Air often flew that flight nearly empty because they made more on the cargo than the passengers! Any passengers were considered bonus income on that early morning flight.

67 posted on 03/16/2008 9:40:56 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: Paleo Conservative
Today, another BA jumbo due to fly from Heathrow to Bombay in India is expected to have no passengers on both its outward and return journeys.

Another fake by the MSM. Give the impression that BA is flying empty planes around the sky just for giggles and to piss off Gaiea.

I'm sure the BA stockholders would have a few things to say about burning up all that jetfuel for no reason.

68 posted on 03/16/2008 9:47:50 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: VeniVidiVici
about burning up all that jetfuel for no reason.

Cargo. That's a very good reason to fly.

69 posted on 03/16/2008 10:26:21 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Let BA decide whats worth it and whats not. If they figured it’s worth it to fly a 747 halfway around the globe with no revenue off the flight, so be it.


70 posted on 03/16/2008 10:35:22 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: RonF

Hi Ron,

No offense, but I’m struggling with this. I understand your math and the ataomic weights. Maybe I’m mixing metaphors here, but I can weigh 140 tons of jet fuel on a set of scales. If I captured the emitted CO2, I’m not sure I could put it on a set of scales and see it measure 429 tons.

Maybe I’m oversimplifying this.


71 posted on 03/16/2008 10:36:14 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Paleo Conservative
Honest, I did a 737 from Philly to Pittsburgh last year and was the single passenger. It happens.

When I asked, why fly? They said they had 87 on the contuation flight to Miami.

Crazy business buring up tons of unnecessary fuel.

72 posted on 03/16/2008 10:46:19 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: AGreatPer
Honest, I did a 737 from Philly to Pittsburgh last year and was the single passenger. It happens.

But they also will put lots of freight on flights like that. Pound per pound freight makes more money.

73 posted on 03/17/2008 1:25:24 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Clintonfatigued

Oh, c’mon! If you run any kind of a transportation operation, you are going to have deadhead trips from time to time. Sometimes your vehicle needs to be someplace else, and you have nothing to take there.

If you object to this, you object to air travel altogether, because one follows the other.


74 posted on 03/17/2008 2:51:08 AM PDT by gridlock (They don't call us "The Stupid Party" for nuthin'!)
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To: PAR35
"Today, another BA jumbo due to fly from Heathrow to Bombay in India is expected to have no passengers on both its outward and return journeys. "

If true, they are probably flying for the cargo capacity. Carrying dense cargo, the payload of a 747 can be taken up without a single passenger on board.

So I'm calling BS on this one. Enviro-weenies lie when convenient, because they are serving a greater truth, don'tcha know...

75 posted on 03/17/2008 3:01:50 AM PDT by gridlock (They don't call us "The Stupid Party" for nuthin'!)
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To: Paleo Conservative; umgud

I think umgud’s point is that they divide by a different factor to convert from tons of fuel to tons of CO2.


76 posted on 03/17/2008 3:04:00 AM PDT by gridlock (They don't call us "The Stupid Party" for nuthin'!)
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To: Content Provider
Human activity does not cause global warming. Don't even bother to argue the details of CO2 because the moment you do, you've admitted the absurd and untrue basis for their arguments.

Sing it, Brother!

77 posted on 03/17/2008 3:08:12 AM PDT by gridlock (They don't call us "The Stupid Party" for nuthin'!)
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To: liege
But Greenpeace climate campaigner Anna Jones said... "Gordon Brown needs to get a grip on this industry before its wastefulness ruins our chances of tackling climate change."

Big shock there. A Green Weenie insisting that government control yet another industry. Were these young pups even around to see the waste and environmental abuse that went along with government control of industry in the former Soviet Union? Aeroflot was flying aircraft that burned ten times the fuel per passenger mile and would dump enough fuel through the engines that the ground would catch fire.

Environmentalism is about government control, not the environment. Damn watermelons.

78 posted on 03/17/2008 3:16:48 AM PDT by gridlock (They don't call us "The Stupid Party" for nuthin'!)
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To: Big Giant Head
"If they want to fly an empty 747, can afford the fuel, GREAT! It’s their business."

BUMP!

79 posted on 03/17/2008 7:07:52 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: umgud
Jet fuel is a mixture of hydrocarbons. Almost all the chemical bonds that the carbon atoms (with a relative weight of 12) are linked in are either to another carbon atom or to a hydrogen atom, the latter having a relative weight of 1. Thus, jet fuel is almost all carbon, with the residue almost all hydrogen.

When you burn it, you break those carbon-carbon and hydrogen-carbon bonds and combines each atom of carbon with two atoms of oxygen, which together have a relative weight of 32. Now you've gone from a relative weight of 14 (-CH2-) to a relative weight of 44 (CO2) (yeah, I know there are CH3 in there and other combinations, but this is a ball park estimate). Multiply the weight of the jet fuel times the fraction of it that is carbon (say, at least 90%, so use 0.9). Then multiply that in turn times 44/12 (~ 2.44). That gives you the mass of CO2 that is generated from burning a given mass of carbon.

Theoretically, you could actually freeze that into dry ice and weigh it. You get the great increase in mass because the weight of the oxygen attached to the carbon is more than 10 times the weight of the hydrogen whose place it's taking.

80 posted on 03/17/2008 7:19:58 AM PDT by RonF
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