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OK: [University prez] Boren asks legislators to rethink gun bill
Tulsa World ^ | 3/15/08 | ANGEL RIGGS

Posted on 03/17/2008 9:40:30 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

OKLAHOMA CITY -- University of Oklahoma President David Boren called on lawmakers Friday to reconsider the passage of a bill that would allow certain people to carry guns on college campuses.

"If it would help for me to get down on my knees to plead with the Legislature for the safety of our students, I would do so," Boren said in a prepared statement.

House Bill 2513 by Rep. Jason Murphey, R-Guthrie, passed 65-36 on Thursday. It would allow veterans, active-duty military and National Guard and reserve personnel, and people trained in law en forcement to carry concealed guns on college campuses if they have permits. Originally, the bill would have allowed anyone age 21 or older who obtained a concealed-carry permit to be armed on cam pus.

The bill now heads to the Senate.

OU has developed rapid communications systems and highly trained law enforcement personnel to take action in an emergency, Boren said. Allowing people to have guns who have not trained with the university's police units would create chaos in a crisis situation, he said.

"Police would not be able to sort out dangerous gunmen from others on campus with guns," he said.

Boren added that the bill would hurt OU's ability to recruit students and faculty members who would view the campus as unsafe.

"Current law protects the constitutional rights of our people, but it wisely bans guns from schools and colleges," he said. "We should stick to the laws that have worked so well and allow our colleges to continue to improve safety on their campuses."

Paul Sund, a spokesman for Gov. Brad Henry, said Friday in a prepared statement that the governor "has not yet reviewed the latest version of the bill and therefore cannot pass judgment on it, but he does have great concerns about the issue and will seek input from interested parties, particularly college presidents and the campus safety task force."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; crime; davidboren; ou

1 posted on 03/17/2008 9:40:32 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

As opposed to VA Tech which was safe?


2 posted on 03/17/2008 9:46:55 AM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Boren added that the bill would hurt OU's ability to recruit students and faculty members who would view the campus as unsafe.

You don't want these people on your campus if you want to keep the illusion of intelligence on campus...

3 posted on 03/17/2008 9:47:52 AM PDT by Edgerunner (At the heart of every absurdity, lies a liberal.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

“We should stick to the laws that have worked so well and allow our colleges to continue to improve safety on their campuses.”

The ones that worked so well at Virginia Tech?


4 posted on 03/17/2008 9:48:09 AM PDT by Tex Pete (l)
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To: kiriath_jearim

David Boren is an ass. How it is that keeping students and faculty unarmed and vulnerable makes them “safer” defies logic. This man is not fit to be a dogcatcher, let alone a Univerisity president.


5 posted on 03/17/2008 9:48:09 AM PDT by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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"Police would not be able to sort out dangerous gunmen from others on campus with guns," he said.

At the University of Texas, Austin in 1965 the police were quite easily able to distinguish the gunman from the people who were defending themselves. Why should this pose any problem today?

6 posted on 03/17/2008 9:50:24 AM PDT by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Being in the guard a veteran or trained in law enforcement does not guarantee a person to be a safe handler or that they will not twist off and become an aggressor.

This is such a bowl of crap and we are being force fed like a baby eating peas. There is a revolution coming whether overt or through passive means but it is coming and this country will be torn worse than during the war of northern aggression. The next uprising will not be over states right it will be over peoples’ rights and more than just the 2nd.


7 posted on 03/17/2008 9:54:48 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: kiriath_jearim

Apparrently Boren thinks his students are too stupid to be able to handle an effective self defense, and his instituiton is ineffective in being able to convey handling such matters in an effective civilized way.


8 posted on 03/17/2008 10:00:23 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: PeterFinn
If the campus police are so stupid that they cannot discern random violence by crazed killers from people defending themselves then they are worse than useless. Right now the policy seems to be wait until the gunman is through killing and hope he will shoot himself.
9 posted on 03/17/2008 10:05:47 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: kiriath_jearim

‘”If it would help for me to get down on my knees to plead with the Legislature for the safety of our students, I would do so,” Boren said in a prepared statement.’

You should be on your knees praying for concealed carry on campus then. CCW are much more likely to be used defending the innocent than against them. The criminals will simply ignore anti-gun laws as they have in the past.

Boren is an idiot.


10 posted on 03/17/2008 10:12:47 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PeterFinn
Why should this pose any problem today?

Why indeed? The commentor wants to portray legal gunowners as a bunch of wannabe Rambo vigalantes who, at the first hint of violence, will unholster and start storming about the campus, shooting all who appear to be suspicious. Rather than simply DEFENDING themselves if a whacko shows up intent on doing violence.

11 posted on 03/17/2008 10:27:06 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Maybe Boren should instruct the campus police to learn how to ascertain what a situation is before they start shooting.
On the other hand, if someone with a CCW is in a situation where they have to use their weapon, they should remember to re-holster their weapon as soon as possible before some excited cop comes along and shoots them.
12 posted on 03/17/2008 10:40:35 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei (Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. [Arnold Toynbee])
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To: Old North State
Right now the policy seems to be wait until the gunman is through killing and hope he will shoot himself.

And that policy is in part due to a lack of training on the part of the glorified security guards who pose as campus police. They are not trained to deal with actual crimes and when confronted by an actual crime they are typically worse than useless.

13 posted on 03/17/2008 10:44:36 AM PDT by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: Hiddigeigei
On the other hand, if someone with a CCW is in a situation where they have to use their weapon, they should remember to re-holster their weapon as soon as possible before some excited cop comes along and shoots them.

Covered even in basic concealed carry training.

Personally, I'd have no objection if during college orientation there was a safety session, which instructed any CCW holders on campus to take cover in the event of a lockdown or shooting, and take action only if in immediate danger from the gunman.

14 posted on 03/17/2008 10:48:56 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: PeterFinn

I agree. They simply provide an illusion of safety. Even if they were well-trained and proficient, there are not enough campus cops to protect against a lunatic, as we have seen again and again....


15 posted on 03/17/2008 10:51:27 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus

Past experience with campus cops proves that they exist mostly to cover up crimes on campus in order to protect the reputation of their employer. For a long time now I’ve advocated that public universities and schools should be patrolled by actual law enforcement who rotate in and out of the schools the same as they do any other patrol zone.


16 posted on 03/17/2008 10:58:03 AM PDT by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: PeterFinn

Agreed, though in some states I believe they don’t have the statutory power to patrol the campus. Simple fix: change the law.

I used to attend a State University before the campus cops were armed. The thought of these glorified security guards dealing with a psycho on a killing spree is scary.

But, even if they were the best trained cops in the world, they can’t be everywhere, instantly, especially since a Cho type will do his best to avoid them.


17 posted on 03/17/2008 11:06:50 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus
Covered even in basic concealed carry training.
True here in Florida. I don't know about elsewhere.
Gun safety should be taught in high school or earlier (like elementary school with refresher courses in junior and senior high).
18 posted on 03/17/2008 1:27:46 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei (Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. [Arnold Toynbee])
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To: kiriath_jearim

***OU has developed rapid communications systems and highly trained law enforcement personnel to take action in an emergency, Boren said. Allowing people to have guns who have not trained with the university’s police units would create chaos in a crisis situation, he said.***

I’d prefer somebody who has done a tour or two in Iraq over a policeman.

***”Police would not be able to sort out dangerous gunmen from others on campus with guns,” he said.***

That’s easy: the criminal would be the swiss cheese on the floor. The law abiding citizens would be the ones with their firearms already in the holster.


19 posted on 03/17/2008 1:39:20 PM PDT by wastedyears (IRON MAIDEN TONIGHT)
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