I have not said otherwise. That right there is called a straw man.
You send your blood pressure through the roof with petty attacks on myself and my beliefs.
My BP is fine. I'm having fun. Yours however?
Posted on 03/17/2008 11:12:26 AM PDT by 7thOF7th
You really ought to answer Petronski, and some of the others. You are starting to appear to be decidedly Marxian.
Who told you that? Some preacher? Who told him? What makes them knowledgeable? How do you know they're teaching the gospel faithfully? Who decides? You?
Stick to the essence of your argument instead of triangulating with attacks on my grammatical oversight. You are becoming a bore! And yes you need to read your history and you will find all of my comments on Marx correct! And while I'm at it, why don't you stick to the topic instead of attacking a comment. The topic if you forgot is about Archbishop Burke and St Stan. Church.
The Gospel is the writing of man! Faith needs no affirmation of another, it needs ones own belief in himself and his creator.
Best advice I can give you is to not insult the intelligence of another while making third-grade vocabulary mistakes. That was not a misspell. You used the wrong word, probably because you didn’t know which to use.
The topic of this thread is why you hate the Catholic Church but love quoting Karl Marx.
I have read pounds of history, reams of history. Your view of Marx (as somehow innocent of the crimes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, the Khmer Rouge, etc.) is absurdly sophomoric.
I do not merely find your comments on Marx incorrect. I find them laughably, tragically naïve and I suspect they are the product of a publik skool ejumakashun.
God created us in His image. In a cruel turnabout, some insist on re-creating God in their own image.
“Who is God?” they say, “why, He’s whomever I say He is!”
Isn’t that conveeeeenient?
Check this out. We got a live one.
In truth the last two priest in our parish have been from Malta. It's a matter of priest available for us.
And you indict the quality of my education?
LOL
I have not said otherwise. That right there is called a straw man.
You send your blood pressure through the roof with petty attacks on myself and my beliefs.
My BP is fine. I'm having fun. Yours however?
Ah, another Bible bigot I see. It’s what happens when an individual or group does not make use of the Two Pillars of Truth: Scripture and Tradition. Without Tradition you will meander off into heresy as evidenced by the mess called Protestantism.
Again, I support your argument regarding the mother Church using its power to take local property. BUT, I've got to part ways on these Pastoral requirements. No Church can tolerate its members engaging in open, unrepentant sin. This it more exponentially more true with Priests/Pastors. It is a cancer which always kills the patient. This is identical to the situation which horrified Paul in 1 Corinthians Chapter 5. A member of the Church is engaging in open sexual sin and Paul's disgust oozes from every single sentence. Paul doesn't suggest here he ORDERS them to remove the sinner from them and further that they should not even associate with anyone who calls themselves a Christian and engages in open, unrepentant sin. Paul says the only hope such a person has is to be so crushed by the consequences of his sin that they repent and come back to Jesus. Paul says he doesn't care how much they like him or how long he has had fellowship with them. "Remove the Wicked Man from Among Yourselves." id. 5:13. And I'm not not just picking on gays here, Paul says the same applies to drunkards, swindlers, blasphemers, or even a covetous person. If anything the modern Church is much to lenient from Paul's point of view.
I will match Mother Rome heresy for heresy for any heresy pointed out in the Protestant Church. There are as many different denominations in Catholosicm as in the Protestant Church they just all call themselves the Catholic Church. I can also pick different popes from different eras and find as many differences in their theology and walk as there are between the various Protestant denominations. There are tares in EVERY Church and sometimes they are Pastors. And sometimes they are Popes.
I began this thread with the desire to evoke scholarly conversation and you have made my day. Too much emotional rhetoric has been spewed in my direction today for me to have any sense of satisfaction. I hope that some who have responded find peace and understand that people are entitled to their opinions without being excoriated by would be elitists.
You wrote:
“For some reason I’m picturing a new Bishop Ireland, but I may be completely wrong and don’t want to falsely harbor ill will.”
Archbishop Burke is actually an incredibly humble man. I have met him several times and am speaking from experience. All he ever wanted to be was a simple parish priest. Then his bishop forced him to study canon law in Rome (I’m not making this up, this is well known in his home diocese; he’s not from St. Louis). He did as he was told and became a tremendous canon lawyer - reached the highest level of any American canon lawyer in HISTORY. I kid you not. Then he was made a bishop. He didn’t want to be one. The pope said too bad you’re going to be one. Then he was switched from his home diocese to St. Louis. All through that he was always the same humble guy. I SAW HIM suffer visibly whenever he had to discipline someone. He hates to be the heavy so to speak, but knows it’s part of his calling as a bishop.
Also, he is very supportive of the Eastern Churches, hopes for reunion with the Orthodox and would never make Archbishop Ireland’s mistakes. By the way, Ireland is remembered for treating Fr. Toth poorly - and he did. But someone should remember him for being opposed to racism against blacks at a time when everyone believed racism to be a moral and scientific given.
Trust me, Burke is not picking on some poor Poles struggling to keep their parish open. Burke is dealing with a group of schismatics who flout canon law, tradition and are quickly headed to the ‘Old Catholic’ gay marriage, women priests, abortion is okay track of lost souls.
Future T-Shirt and bumper stick material righ here:
“Some of the most virulent anti-Catholic hatred in this world squirts from the festering pie-holes of self-identified ‘recovering Catholics.’ “
You wrote:
“I will match Mother Rome heresy for heresy for any heresy pointed out in the Protestant Church.”
Utter nonsense. We have no heresies.
“There are as many different denominations in Catholosicm as in the Protestant Church they just all call themselves the Catholic Church.”
Again, nonsense. You know how I know? All Catholics share communion. Will a high church Anglican go to communion in a Baptist church? Probably not. We have no denominations.
“I can also pick different popes from different eras and find as many differences in their theology and walk as there are between the various Protestant denominations.”
No, actually you can’t. All you can do is pick a quote and place it in isolation and not reveal the rest of what that pope taught. And are you sure you are even talking about what they authoritatively taught or their own personal opinions which are completely meaningless and no Catholic cares about?
“There are tares in EVERY Church and sometimes they are Pastors. And sometimes they are Popes.”
No. Some popes have been very sinful men, but none have taught heresy as a truth that all Catholics should believe.
I always liked how Mark Twain supposedly said it:
“In the beginning God created man, and ever since then man has been trying to return the favor.”
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