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NAFTA opponents seek resolution
The Lawrence Journal-World ^ | March 18, 2008 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 03/18/2008 1:17:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Dog Gone

Can you imagine what the forum responses on this website would have been when we were building the railroads?


21 posted on 03/18/2008 1:54:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Don’t stop there—we need a mandated wage.


22 posted on 03/18/2008 1:54:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Require that the companies that move production to third world nation still observe OSHA and pollution controls that US manufacturers have to observe. That might keep some of the jobs here.


23 posted on 03/18/2008 1:55:34 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: girlscout

I don’t like it either. BOHICA.


24 posted on 03/18/2008 1:56:09 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: mysterio

That’s an interesting proposition. I can only imagine the boom to Bermuda as more companies locate their headquarters there.


25 posted on 03/18/2008 1:57:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Good lord, it would have gone into meltdown.

It still might if they ever realized how much land was granted to the railroad companies for laying a new track.

This 1/4 mile “land grab” is miniscule in comparison.


26 posted on 03/18/2008 1:59:05 PM PDT by Dog Gone (uo)
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To: mysterio
NAFTA has very little to do with our loss of manufacturing jobs. Relatively few of those jobs are going to Mexico, and very few are going to Canada.

A lot have disappeared due to automation, and even if you place trade barriers that raise prices for Americans, the end result is likely going to be a lot more automation and few good paying manufacturing jobs.

The time where it is cost effective to pay high wages to low skilled labor is past. It's still practical to use cheap foreign labor if it is cheap enough, but it's cheaper to automate than to pay line workers middle class and upper middle class wages.

The Democrats are very good at exploiting those that don't want to accept reality. They're good at lying to people saying their problems are all someone else's fault and that you need to vote for them so they can fix those problems.

The Democrats have no solutions to the loss of manufacturing jobs other than try and force companies to do things inefficiently to give jobs to people, which is what the unions have been trying to do.

27 posted on 03/18/2008 2:01:26 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Froufrou

The Trans-Texas Corridor is to further the North American Free Trade Agreement and Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. It can only expand our economy which is of course a good thing for the World citizens and the UN.

Our national sovereignty doesn’t hold a candle to the value of international socialism and globalism.


28 posted on 03/18/2008 2:04:37 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: 1rudeboy

If they at least required OSHA and a level playing field when it comes to the pollution controls that US manufacturers are forced to comply with, I wouldn’t be complaining nearly as much.


29 posted on 03/18/2008 2:05:11 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: 1rudeboy

For those who didn’t pay attention in history class, the railroad companies got a swath of land extending 20 miles on EACH SIDE of the railroad track as an incentive to build a transcontinental railway.

And that wasn’t the only incentive, but since we’re focused on land, I’ll leave it at that.


30 posted on 03/18/2008 2:07:28 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
“This 1/4 mile “land grab” is minuscule in comparison.”

You do know that's WIDTH not LENGTH?

31 posted on 03/18/2008 2:12:54 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: wolfcreek

DUH.


32 posted on 03/18/2008 2:13:59 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Hmm, what is that? 20.5 million jobs created since 1993?

That’s just about the same number of illegals here.


33 posted on 03/18/2008 2:15:55 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: wolfcreek
Hmm, what is that? 20.5 million jobs created since 1993?

You might want to double check your math.

That’s just about the same number of illegals here.

Imagine the jobs we'd create if we built a wall. And sent them back. Let's get started.

34 posted on 03/18/2008 2:20:07 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (NAFTA opponents are an odd coalition of the no-deodorant Left and the toothless-and-tinfoil right.)
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To: Dog Gone
“the railroad companies got a swath of land extending 20 miles on EACH SIDE of the railroad track as an incentive to build a transcontinental railway.”

I'm guessing it didn't intrude on too many people's livelihood? Or isolate them from their land? Or ruin a small town's economy? Or pull tax dollars from those same communities?

35 posted on 03/18/2008 2:22:42 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: mysterio

Our corporate tax rate is the second highest in the industrialized world. If you want some of those jobs to come back, then lobby congress to lower the tax rate to something more human, like 10% (instead of 35%).


36 posted on 03/18/2008 2:23:31 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: wolfcreek

This may come as a surprise to you, but a transportation corridor spurs new development along its route, creates new jobs, and increases economic activity.

It makes people wealthy.


37 posted on 03/18/2008 2:27:27 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

You are aware that the Trans Texas Corridor is of a greater magnitude than the remaining portion of that NAFTA super highway, right? And that it’s to be a toll road? Try preaching your message to rural Texas communities and hear the response. Their lives are being ripped apart by this, but you go ahead and play cheerleader.


38 posted on 03/18/2008 2:35:47 PM PDT by girlscout
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To: Toddsterpatriot
OK. It was a *rough* guess. How about 24.75 million?

Probably closer to the real number of illegals.

What your numbers don't show is the quality and wages of those jobs. I think that's what most people have a problem with especially, now that the economy has down turned and prices have sky rocketed. Since we're paying more for imports now (due to the falling $) a NAFTA HW bringing in said imports, is not looked upon favorably.

39 posted on 03/18/2008 2:35:54 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
OK. It was a *rough* guess. How about 24.75 million?

Probably closer to the real number of illegals.

What your numbers don't show is the quality and wages of those jobs. I think that's what most people have a problem with especially, now that the economy has down turned and prices have sky rocketed. Since we're paying more for imports now (due to the falling $) a NAFTA HW bringing in said imports, is not looked upon favorably.

40 posted on 03/18/2008 2:36:13 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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