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NAFTA opponents seek resolution
The Lawrence Journal-World ^ | March 18, 2008 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 03/18/2008 1:17:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Topeka — Agreements with Mexico and Canada are setting the stage for construction of a huge highway that will gobble up Kansans’ property and jeopardize U.S. security, representatives from a wide range of groups said Monday.

“Through incrementalism, apathy and inattention, our national sovereignty is being sacrificed on a cross of greed, socialism and globalism,” said state Rep. Judy Morrison, R-Shawnee.

Morrison has introduced House Concurrent Resolution 5033 urging Congress to withdraw from further participation in the North American Free Trade Agreement and Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.

At a hearing before the House Federal and State Affairs Committee, truckers, labor officials and lawmakers and advocates from Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas urged approval of the resolution.

Committee Chairman Arlen Siegfreid, R-Olathe, said he didn’t know if the committee could comprehend all the information submitted on the subject and work on the measure within the last three weeks of the legislative session.

“I think I’ve got a little reading to do. I have not made a decision yet, but it’s getting very short,” Siegfreid said.

Owen de Long, a political consultant from Merriam, said plans are in the works to build a NAFTA superhighway that will be one-quarter of a mile wide to transport Asian goods throughout the United States that are off-loaded at Mexican ports.

De Long said it will be impossible to police the huge amount of cargo containers. “That’s how terrorists will arrive in Kansas City,” he said.

Some officials have repeatedly denied the existence of plans to build the highway.

But David and Linda Stall, founders of CorridorWatch in Texas, testified that because of NAFTA, Texas is in the middle of considering a Trans-Texas Corridor that has been criticized by landowners.


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Dozens Come Out to Trans Texas Corridor Workshop

1 posted on 03/18/2008 1:17:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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Trans-Texas Corridor PING!


2 posted on 03/18/2008 1:17:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Want to bet they get nowhere? Even our conservationists in TX are desperate.


3 posted on 03/18/2008 1:20:05 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Of course they’ll get nowhere, constitutionally, the State of Oklahoma cannot withdraw from NAFTA . . . and a resolution sent to Congress? Be serious, Rep. Morrison.


4 posted on 03/18/2008 1:31:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Oklahoma can’t quit NAFTA yet. There are still a lot of jobs there left to outsource.


5 posted on 03/18/2008 1:32:51 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: 1rudeboy; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is nothing short of being rammed down our throats. I never studied economics but it sure seems like we were sold down river a long time ago. For the competitive global GDP...?


6 posted on 03/18/2008 1:33:17 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: mysterio
Oklahoma can’t quit NAFTA yet. There are still a lot of jobs there left to outsource.

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Only 146 million American jobs left.

7 posted on 03/18/2008 1:36:43 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Buy gold!!!!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Like I said.

And now there are even more jobs left to outsource, since a lot of people had to get two jobs to replace the job that got shipped out.

That's just another reason NAFTA is awesome. People used to have a good paying factory job, but they got to trade it in for two dishwashing jobs!

Thanks, NAFTA! Someday maybe we can all have two jobs.
8 posted on 03/18/2008 1:39:24 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Toddsterpatriot
NAFTA opponents are an odd coalition of the no-deoderant Left and the toothless-and-tinfoil right. This has always been my experience.

Someone should tell these left side of the bellcurve folks that industrial employment has declined IN CHINA over the past 20 years, and that unskilled factory work is basically what one does as an alternative to working outside in the fields.

9 posted on 03/18/2008 1:41:35 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: mysterio
Yeah, it was great back when my grandparents were living in rowhomes next to the smelly factories. At least they had "good factory jobs" (and voted Democrat).

If an "unskilled factory job" is the ultimate employment goal in your society, than you obviously live in a Third World country.

When did the Right become a voice for the lumpen Proletariat. WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! /s

10 posted on 03/18/2008 1:44:55 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Clemenza
NAFTA opponents are an odd coalition of the no-deoderant Left and the toothless-and-tinfoil right.

True. New tagline

Someone should tell these left side of the bellcurve folks that industrial employment has declined IN CHINA over the past 20 years

When we produce more with fewer industrial workers, it's proof we're doomed.

When China does it, it's just another sneaky Commie plot.

11 posted on 03/18/2008 1:45:15 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (NAFTA opponents are an odd coalition of the no-deodorant Left and the toothless-and-tinfoil right.)
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To: mysterio
Fact: U.S. employment rose from 110.8 million people in 1993 to 137.6 million in 2007, an increase of 24 percent. The average unemployment rate was 5.1 percent in the period 1994-2007, compared to 7.1 percent during the period 1980-1993.

Fact: U.S. business sector real hourly compensation rose by 1.5 percent each year between 1993 and 2007, for a total of 23.6 percent over the full period. During 1979-1993, the annual rate of real hourly compensation rose by 0.7 percent each year, or 11 percent over the full 14-year period.

NAFTA--Myth vs. Facts

Who do you want to believe, the government or the Democrats? Tough Choice.
12 posted on 03/18/2008 1:45:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


13 posted on 03/18/2008 1:46:08 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Clemenza
When did the Right become a voice for the lumpen Proletariat.

Since the town next to me got gutted and now the taxpayers get to pay for all of their pensions.

And now all of those uninformed people who lost their jobs are voting socialist.

But at least we got free trade and stuff.
14 posted on 03/18/2008 1:47:11 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Clemenza
If an "unskilled factory job" is the ultimate employment goal in your society, than you obviously live in a Third World country.

I see you've noticed that also. If you take them at their word, there are people on this website that lament the fact their children won't (easily) get a job turning screws on an assembly line versus, say, studying Engineering.

15 posted on 03/18/2008 1:47:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I believe what I see when I drive ten minutes.


16 posted on 03/18/2008 1:48:06 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Froufrou

The American people should NOT loose their land to further the cause of foreign enterprise! Fire the fools who are for this.


17 posted on 03/18/2008 1:49:29 PM PDT by girlscout
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To: mysterio

Shame, isn’t it? How do you propose our government prevent people from losing their jobs? Raise their taxes, perhaps?


18 posted on 03/18/2008 1:50:18 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

No more roads ever in this country!

Building roads destroys our sovereignty!

Just say NO to roads!


19 posted on 03/18/2008 1:52:04 PM PDT by Dog Gone (uo)
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To: 1rudeboy
And the government must approve who a company hires. And where.
20 posted on 03/18/2008 1:52:47 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (NAFTA opponents are an odd coalition of the no-deodorant Left and the toothless-and-tinfoil right.)
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To: Dog Gone

Can you imagine what the forum responses on this website would have been when we were building the railroads?


21 posted on 03/18/2008 1:54:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Don’t stop there—we need a mandated wage.


22 posted on 03/18/2008 1:54:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Require that the companies that move production to third world nation still observe OSHA and pollution controls that US manufacturers have to observe. That might keep some of the jobs here.


23 posted on 03/18/2008 1:55:34 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: girlscout

I don’t like it either. BOHICA.


24 posted on 03/18/2008 1:56:09 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: mysterio

That’s an interesting proposition. I can only imagine the boom to Bermuda as more companies locate their headquarters there.


25 posted on 03/18/2008 1:57:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Good lord, it would have gone into meltdown.

It still might if they ever realized how much land was granted to the railroad companies for laying a new track.

This 1/4 mile “land grab” is miniscule in comparison.


26 posted on 03/18/2008 1:59:05 PM PDT by Dog Gone (uo)
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To: mysterio
NAFTA has very little to do with our loss of manufacturing jobs. Relatively few of those jobs are going to Mexico, and very few are going to Canada.

A lot have disappeared due to automation, and even if you place trade barriers that raise prices for Americans, the end result is likely going to be a lot more automation and few good paying manufacturing jobs.

The time where it is cost effective to pay high wages to low skilled labor is past. It's still practical to use cheap foreign labor if it is cheap enough, but it's cheaper to automate than to pay line workers middle class and upper middle class wages.

The Democrats are very good at exploiting those that don't want to accept reality. They're good at lying to people saying their problems are all someone else's fault and that you need to vote for them so they can fix those problems.

The Democrats have no solutions to the loss of manufacturing jobs other than try and force companies to do things inefficiently to give jobs to people, which is what the unions have been trying to do.

27 posted on 03/18/2008 2:01:26 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Froufrou

The Trans-Texas Corridor is to further the North American Free Trade Agreement and Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. It can only expand our economy which is of course a good thing for the World citizens and the UN.

Our national sovereignty doesn’t hold a candle to the value of international socialism and globalism.


28 posted on 03/18/2008 2:04:37 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: 1rudeboy

If they at least required OSHA and a level playing field when it comes to the pollution controls that US manufacturers are forced to comply with, I wouldn’t be complaining nearly as much.


29 posted on 03/18/2008 2:05:11 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: 1rudeboy

For those who didn’t pay attention in history class, the railroad companies got a swath of land extending 20 miles on EACH SIDE of the railroad track as an incentive to build a transcontinental railway.

And that wasn’t the only incentive, but since we’re focused on land, I’ll leave it at that.


30 posted on 03/18/2008 2:07:28 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
“This 1/4 mile “land grab” is minuscule in comparison.”

You do know that's WIDTH not LENGTH?

31 posted on 03/18/2008 2:12:54 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: wolfcreek

DUH.


32 posted on 03/18/2008 2:13:59 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Hmm, what is that? 20.5 million jobs created since 1993?

That’s just about the same number of illegals here.


33 posted on 03/18/2008 2:15:55 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: wolfcreek
Hmm, what is that? 20.5 million jobs created since 1993?

You might want to double check your math.

That’s just about the same number of illegals here.

Imagine the jobs we'd create if we built a wall. And sent them back. Let's get started.

34 posted on 03/18/2008 2:20:07 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (NAFTA opponents are an odd coalition of the no-deodorant Left and the toothless-and-tinfoil right.)
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To: Dog Gone
“the railroad companies got a swath of land extending 20 miles on EACH SIDE of the railroad track as an incentive to build a transcontinental railway.”

I'm guessing it didn't intrude on too many people's livelihood? Or isolate them from their land? Or ruin a small town's economy? Or pull tax dollars from those same communities?

35 posted on 03/18/2008 2:22:42 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: mysterio

Our corporate tax rate is the second highest in the industrialized world. If you want some of those jobs to come back, then lobby congress to lower the tax rate to something more human, like 10% (instead of 35%).


36 posted on 03/18/2008 2:23:31 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: wolfcreek

This may come as a surprise to you, but a transportation corridor spurs new development along its route, creates new jobs, and increases economic activity.

It makes people wealthy.


37 posted on 03/18/2008 2:27:27 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

You are aware that the Trans Texas Corridor is of a greater magnitude than the remaining portion of that NAFTA super highway, right? And that it’s to be a toll road? Try preaching your message to rural Texas communities and hear the response. Their lives are being ripped apart by this, but you go ahead and play cheerleader.


38 posted on 03/18/2008 2:35:47 PM PDT by girlscout
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To: Toddsterpatriot
OK. It was a *rough* guess. How about 24.75 million?

Probably closer to the real number of illegals.

What your numbers don't show is the quality and wages of those jobs. I think that's what most people have a problem with especially, now that the economy has down turned and prices have sky rocketed. Since we're paying more for imports now (due to the falling $) a NAFTA HW bringing in said imports, is not looked upon favorably.

39 posted on 03/18/2008 2:35:54 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
OK. It was a *rough* guess. How about 24.75 million?

Probably closer to the real number of illegals.

What your numbers don't show is the quality and wages of those jobs. I think that's what most people have a problem with especially, now that the economy has down turned and prices have sky rocketed. Since we're paying more for imports now (due to the falling $) a NAFTA HW bringing in said imports, is not looked upon favorably.

40 posted on 03/18/2008 2:36:13 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: Dog Gone
You need to check out how many entrances and exits are going to be on these toll roads. Do the words *limited access* mean anything to you.
41 posted on 03/18/2008 2:38:47 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Hank Hill's Dad, Cruella and Curious George=Loony Toons)
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To: girlscout
You are aware that the Trans Texas Corridor is of a greater magnitude than the remaining portion of that NAFTA super highway, right? And that it’s to be a toll road? Try preaching your message to rural Texas communities and hear the response. Their lives are being ripped apart by this, but you go ahead and play cheerleader.

Yes, I know it's to be a toll road, and I like that better than making the taxpayer pay for it. I'll probably not use it, but since I live in Texas, I won't pay for it, either.

"Lives ripped apart" is just histrionics.

It's a frickin' road.

42 posted on 03/18/2008 2:48:52 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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What your numbers don't show is the quality and wages of those jobs.

That's true. If you want to post some wage data, we can discuss that too. I don't know how you would measure job "quality".

I think that's what most people have a problem with especially, now that the economy has down turned and prices have sky rocketed. Since we're paying more for imports now (due to the falling $)

I'm not sure that restricting imports would bring prices down.

a NAFTA HW bringing in said imports, is not looked upon favorably.

Bringing the imports here in a way that avoids the expensive and inefficient West Coast ports should make them cheaper. Don't you think?

43 posted on 03/18/2008 2:49:48 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (NAFTA opponents are an odd coalition of the no-deodorant Left and the toothless-and-tinfoil right.)
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To: Dog Gone
It makes people wealthy.

Now there's a worthy goal, we can become just like Soros, Spitzer, and the boys.

44 posted on 03/18/2008 2:50:53 PM PDT by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: wolfcreek

There’s probably no real reason to have exits that go to nowhere.

There will be exits at anyplace the demand exists. Can you tell me why new exits and entrances can’t be built in the future?


45 posted on 03/18/2008 2:51:06 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: jnsun

You’re right.

Let’s all try not to get wealthy. That’s evil.


46 posted on 03/18/2008 2:52:18 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

You know that gaining more wealth than your neighbor is not fair.


47 posted on 03/18/2008 2:55:03 PM PDT by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: Dog Gone

Do you work for Zachary or the State? Maybe you should read up on the plans for this road because it’s more then just “a frickin’ road”.


48 posted on 03/18/2008 2:55:28 PM PDT by girlscout
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To: girlscout

It's a frickin' evil road.

49 posted on 03/18/2008 2:57:34 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (NAFTA opponents are an odd coalition of the no-deodorant Left and the toothless-and-tinfoil right.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Don’t forget to mark your calender, our West Coast ports are shutting-down to protest the Iraq War.


50 posted on 03/18/2008 3:14:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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