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Oil dependency is America's ruin
Miami Herald ^ | 3/20/2008 | Gal Luft

Posted on 03/20/2008 11:16:35 AM PDT by Uncledave

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To: Squantos
stop the export

What export are you talking about? We import most of our Petroleum.

41 posted on 03/20/2008 12:30:55 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
In addition:

-Produce cars that burn CNG (compressed natural gas) and LPG (liquified propane gas). Already available as after-market modification which is cheaper fuel source, cleaner burning and available in abundance domestically TODAY!

-Develop a comprehensive national energy policy (political football that has been kicked around for years without resolution along with social security, healthcare reform et al ad nauseum)

-Accelerate the dates by which new autos must meet higher mileage requirements. It's ludicrous for Congress (Pelosi) to take credit for addressing the problem when new reqs aren't fully implemented for more than a decade.

-Create significant tax incentives to encourage and reward entrepreneurs, oil companies, whoever to develop commercially viable alternative sources of energy.

42 posted on 03/20/2008 12:36:07 PM PDT by t4texas (-)
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To: thackney

My response to realism’s post.......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1988913/posts?page=31#31

He mentioned exporting, I said stop or control such if it was happening.....

That’s what I am talking about.


43 posted on 03/20/2008 12:38:26 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: thackney

I do agree with the president, we have an addiction to cheap oil. Basically the only way to cure an addict is to take away the substance of the addiction gradually or cold turkey. We do need to learn to do more using less.


44 posted on 03/20/2008 12:39:31 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: quadrant
If that is too much work, convince the billionaires (Gates and Buffet are good men to start with) that instead of spending billions on some ephemeral project such as ending poverty in the Third World, they should donate some of their money to basic scientific research in the field of energy production.

The Google guys pumped $100 million into the design of cheap ($1 per watt) solar cells. It's happening.

45 posted on 03/20/2008 12:39:39 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Squantos

The only crude oil we export is to Canada. That is just a matter of the location of the closest refinery to that particular oil field.

Crude Oil Exports by Destination
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_expc_a_EPC0_EEX_mbblpd_m.htm


46 posted on 03/20/2008 12:41:41 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Realism

Perhaps you are interested in doing less or paying more for other sources. Most of us are not.

This country should do more to produce the resources we have.


47 posted on 03/20/2008 12:43:15 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Will we as a nation implode before common sense takes over? I really think we will. The stranglehold that radical environmentalism has over the hearts and minds of the average stupid American is disheartening. It would be oh-so-easy to build nuclear power plants and drill in ANWAR. Those 2 things alone would drive gas prices down to $1.00 (or less) and create a much stronger, safer America. It is going to come down to force, I’m afraid, to stop the maniacs who are slowly killing us.


48 posted on 03/20/2008 12:46:46 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

How would building nuclear power plants lower gasoline prices? Next to no petroleum is used generate electricity. Much of the petroleum that is used is refinery “leftovers”; residual oil and petroleum coke that remain after product like gasoline and diesel have been removed from the crude oil.


49 posted on 03/20/2008 12:49:01 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Uncledave

bump


50 posted on 03/20/2008 2:15:12 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: thackney

I think we can all agree that growing more corn is the only real way to the greedy capitalist oil companies in their place.


51 posted on 03/20/2008 2:35:17 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

LOL


52 posted on 03/20/2008 2:41:41 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
How would building nuclear power plants lower gasoline prices?

Fluid mechanics is primarily a manipulation of Bernoulli's principle, which is simply the equivalence of the various forms of Newtonian energy in fluid form, pressure, elevation in a gravitational field, velocity of mass. They can be easily, and are routinely throughout the mechanical world, transposed to one form or the other. When a bungee jumper departs the New River bridge, his initial potential energy of elevation is variously transformed into the kinetic energy of descent, the extended energy of the spring (bungee cord) and his changing elevation; and subsequently transformed back again, ad infinitum until entropy saps it all.

As posts #42 and #45 above imply, nuclear energy, gasoline, coal, and renewables, are all the same thing. It can be measured in Joules, BTU's, calories, electron volts, and a few other units. But all the same thing. And the sooner ignorant politicians, and economists, understand it the better off we, in the United States, will be.

This arrogance knows no party boundaries.

53 posted on 03/20/2008 2:46:46 PM PDT by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: jnsun
nuclear energy, gasoline, coal, and renewables, are all the same thing

But they do not have the same applications or the ability to be used for transportation.

54 posted on 03/20/2008 2:49:16 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: straps
"Drill in the straits of Cuba and Florida before the Chinese due it for Castro"

this is why I hate liberals so much. We have to buy our oil from somewhere. Why do they prefer buying from some POS dictator to us drilling it ourselves? If they are so anti-pollution, why wouldn't they trust us to do a better job of being "clean" about it than China?

55 posted on 03/20/2008 6:17:14 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: boop
this is why I hate liberals so much.

The bigger problem for me is that when we had Republicans in charge of the House, Senate and as President, we did not pass laws allowing drilling in these areas.

56 posted on 03/20/2008 6:22:02 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Uncledave
"I'm all for drilling for US petroleum resources..."

You know that's not going to happen. We're going to allow our enemies, both external and internal, to bring us to our knees and reduce us to below 3rd world status because we have to take care of the caribou and polar bears, the REALLY important things in our environment. Besides leaving any "carbon footprint" is EVIL and it's much better if we all willingly freeze to death and sacrifice ourselves and our children, for the sake of the animals, so that Al Gore can ascend to heaven and reside at the left hand of George Soros. /s

57 posted on 03/20/2008 6:24:43 PM PDT by penowa
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To: Uncledave

>>we’ve got to stop the flow of oil money into OPEC coffers.”

There’s the nail on the head. Truth if I’ve ever heard it.


58 posted on 03/21/2008 9:18:28 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Kenny Bunk
We need a leader who will shoot a Democrat a day until domestic production and refining are at a point where we can use them to at least temper world oil prices.

Let's be bi-partisan about that! ;^)

59 posted on 03/21/2008 2:39:29 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: DTogo
We need a leader who will shoot a Democrat a day until domestic production and refining are at a point where we can use them to at least temper world oil prices.

Let's be bi-partisan about that!

OK by me. How about 3D to 2R? I fault the Democraps for harboring the Green Wieners amongst themselves. I fault the Rearpublicans (O SHAME!) for not doing a goddam thing about this when they easily could have.

60 posted on 03/21/2008 3:23:42 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (GOP Plank: Double Domestic Crude Production. Increase refining capacity 50percent)
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