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San Francisco gun club in crosshairs
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | March 20, 2008 | Marisa Lagos

Posted on 03/20/2008 12:16:26 PM PDT by GSWarrior

Every Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday, the shots start ringing out at 11 a.m. from the 80-year-old Pacific Rod and Gun Club on the shores of San Francisco's Lake Merced, sending loud booms across the western half of the city.

Club members and other shooters trickle in all afternoon, unloading their shotguns and dogs, donning their hunting vests and making their way up a set of rickety stairs to the clubhouse. There, they plunk down their fees - $8 per 25-shot round for nonmembers and $4 for members - and head out to the trap and skeet fields.

But the prospect of shutting the gun club has some people steaming mad and others celebrating. In a city that voted three years ago to ban handguns entirely, many residents may be surprised that a gun club exists - and some of its critics are hoping to seize on the anti-firearm sentiment.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; sanfrancisco; skeet


1 posted on 03/20/2008 12:16:27 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

That there is a gun club in San Francisco should practically be breaking news in itself.


2 posted on 03/20/2008 12:18:26 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: GSWarrior

Looks like a nice place. Too bad they have such ignorant neighbors.


3 posted on 03/20/2008 12:20:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: GSWarrior

I live about a mile away and have never heard them.


4 posted on 03/20/2008 12:20:14 PM PDT by SF Republican (Conservatives wanted all or nothing, and they got it.)
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To: SF Republican
sending loud booms across the western half of the city.

A ridiculous statement.

5 posted on 03/20/2008 12:24:48 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior
In a city that voted three years ago to ban handguns entirely, many residents may be surprised that a gun club exists

Since when does a shotgun qualify as a handgun?

6 posted on 03/20/2008 12:28:14 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: GSWarrior
Inquiring minds want to know . . . .

What the heck do they need DOGS for?

Do they retrieve the little itty bitty bits of shattered clays?

Or do they only send the dogs out on misses, when the clay lands intact?

How do the dogs carry them in their mouths? Do they taste funny?

Which side do you heel a dog on in the skeet field?

< /d**n ignorant reporters! >

7 posted on 03/20/2008 12:28:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: BenLurkin

The neighbors are not ignorant -they are hateful.
Libs hate everything good and love everything bad. They hate free enterprise and stregth and love weakness and socialism. A very strange species.


8 posted on 03/20/2008 12:29:29 PM PDT by genghis
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Since when does a shotgun qualify as a handgun?

Since you can carry it in your hands.

9 posted on 03/20/2008 12:30:46 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: GSWarrior
You'd think that San Francisco would encourage gun ownership, for self-defense against homophobic Neanderthals.

(I am only partially being facetious. Unpopular minorities have even more vested interest in Second Amendment rights than citizens generally.)

10 posted on 03/20/2008 12:32:28 PM PDT by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: GSWarrior

What the whiners will never understand is that what they are hearing is the sound of freedom.


11 posted on 03/20/2008 12:34:15 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: BenLurkin

Nice indeed.I’m shooting there once a month.


12 posted on 03/20/2008 12:34:32 PM PDT by QQQQ
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To: GSWarrior
Felicia Zeiger, who lives in Merced Heights, has made the club a crusade for years. She says she can't garden on weekends because of the noise, and is often forced to drive to the other side of the city to walk her dog, who is terrified by the cacophony.

"When the club was originally built ... there was nothing but a couple of farms and sand dunes, and now there are residents all around," she said.

Sounds like she made a pretty stupid decision on where to live, then, if she doesn't like hearing shotgun noises on the weekends.

One of my biggest busybody pet peeves is the morons who move next to an establishment that has undertaken a certain activity (usually for many years) and then demand that the establishment cease its activity because it bothers them. Usually it's some noise that activity makes, but it could be the "types of people" a certain place draws, or its late hours, or rowdy crowds, or just some activity that someone else doesn't care for. But it's never one of these places opening up in an existing neighborhood; it's always some idiot who bought property right next door (and probably got a good deal because of the supposed "nuisance") and then turns around and tries to use the government to shut down an established business.

13 posted on 03/20/2008 12:34:41 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: beltfed308
What the whiners will never understand is that what they are hearing is the sound of freedom.

Especially freedom from tyrannical governments. The farther away I can hear it (about 3 miles around here for a 12 gauge), the better.

14 posted on 03/20/2008 12:36:34 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I don't think the reporter visited the site....I haven't been out that way for several years but I don't remember any "rickety stairs."

However, the reporter went out of her way to conjure up negative images of the sport and its participants.

It's just a trap and skeet range, fer cryin' out loud.

15 posted on 03/20/2008 12:38:16 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

Look at these criminals. How dare they abuse the 2nd amendment. (/sarc)


16 posted on 03/20/2008 12:41:30 PM PDT by gunservative
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To: gondramB
Gun Club... San Fransicko? Oh yeah, they're toast. They must have been a well kept secret to last this long.
17 posted on 03/20/2008 12:42:26 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: GSWarrior

One way to fix the noise problem, if any, would be for the government to permit suppressors for shotguns.


18 posted on 03/20/2008 12:43:04 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"Since when does a shotgun qualify as a handgun?"

In the emotional little mind of your average libtard; A hand gun is a shot gun is an assault riffle is a 105mm Howitzer. It's all the same to them.

19 posted on 03/20/2008 12:46:29 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: genghis

There are some surprisingly positive and supportive comments at the end of the article in the comments section.


20 posted on 03/20/2008 12:49:18 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: facedown

Since when does a shotgun qualify as a handgun?
Since you can carry it in your hands.

That’s logical, using Kalifornia logic, I suppose.


21 posted on 03/20/2008 12:53:28 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: gunservative

How dare they USE the 2nd amendment. /sarc


22 posted on 03/20/2008 12:53:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: GSWarrior
1934 when the club moved into the 13-acre city-owned facility.

This is what is really irking the libs. They hate it when they cannot dictate how public land is used.

23 posted on 03/20/2008 12:54:23 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: SF Republican

You are a braver soul than I. I couldn’t stand to live there.


24 posted on 03/20/2008 12:56:48 PM PDT by unkus
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To: B4Ranch
That’s logical, using Kalifornia logic, I suppose.

That's Universal GunGrabber logic.

25 posted on 03/20/2008 1:11:55 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Turbopilot

The pistol and rifle club I frequent is being surrounded by development. We’ve already endured the “I found a bullet in my backyard” claim. I’m thinking it’s just a matter of time before we’re shut down. The good news is the land is worth millions. The bad news is, so is every other place we could buy to put up a range.


26 posted on 03/20/2008 1:12:35 PM PDT by saganite
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To: GSWarrior

The western half of the city must be about 400 yards across.


27 posted on 03/20/2008 1:15:58 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: steve-b

Just have a gay only night at the club....Come to think of it...all those gays shooting guns...forget about it!


28 posted on 03/20/2008 1:23:23 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: saganite
We’ve already endured the “I found a bullet in my backyard” claim.

Was this a photo of the person making the claim?


29 posted on 03/20/2008 1:25:24 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turbopilot

Nope. He’s holding rounds. It was a bullet they claimed they found. ;^)


30 posted on 03/20/2008 1:29:51 PM PDT by saganite
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To: GSWarrior
Beautiful Harding Park public golf course also overlooks Lake Merced. Next they'll complain about the golfers yelling fore!


31 posted on 03/20/2008 1:32:15 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: GSWarrior

The dude at station 1 has bad form.


32 posted on 03/20/2008 1:36:06 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: unkus
Actually like any city it has good and bad, we do not visit the Castro gay area and I stay out of local politics. The people here are very nice, and it is the most beautiful natural setting for a city I have ever been to. Yosemite, the Sierra Nevada's, redwood groves, Napa Valley, and of course the Pacific Ocean (I can hear from my house) certainly enhance the experience.
33 posted on 03/20/2008 1:41:04 PM PDT by SF Republican (Conservatives wanted all or nothing, and they got it.)
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To: Turbopilot

She says she can’t garden on weekends because of the noise, and is often forced to drive to the other side of the city to walk her dog, who is terrified by the cacophony.


Her dog is as big a nutcase as she is.


34 posted on 03/20/2008 1:41:31 PM PDT by kenth
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To: AnAmericanMother

“What do they need dogs for?”

How about to familiarize the dogs with the sound of guns. And,also, so the dog gets a truck ride.


35 posted on 03/20/2008 1:47:56 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Many residents of Greenbelt, MD (oh boy the hippies) are suprised to learn that they live very close to a state run trap and skeet park carved out of federal land (Ag center/NASA). They never heard it either.
Anyway, lots of hunters bring their dogs to condition them to the sound of gunfire, I suppose.


36 posted on 03/20/2008 1:49:19 PM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: saganite

That’s the infamous “elderly Iraqi woman” AFP photo.


37 posted on 03/20/2008 2:00:03 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: SF Republican

You have a realistic and sensible attitude. Good for you.


38 posted on 03/20/2008 2:07:59 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Unassuaged; Belasarius
Most of us have got the pups already conditioned at a very early age -- about the time they are introduced to bird wings and bumpers.

But if you started one late, I guess it makes sense!

(I was just grumbling at the idiot reporter. I shot skeet quite seriously B.C. (that's "Before Children" lol), and I never saw a dog on the skeet and trap ranges. If I took either of my pups there they would be going crazy, not because of the gunfire, but because they would be totally frustrated at having nothing to pick up!)

39 posted on 03/20/2008 2:44:24 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: facedown
Since you can carry it in your hands.

So can an M72 LAW but that don't make it a handgun.

40 posted on 03/20/2008 8:06:20 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: Unassuaged

I used to shoot at National Capitol, nice range. I always hoped the model airplane guys that flew near there would send one closer. :)


41 posted on 03/21/2008 6:05:51 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
Beautiful Harding Park public golf course also overlooks Lake Merced. Next they'll complain about the golfers yelling fore!

Nah! Its San Francisco. Too many holes in one. And guys playing with their putters.

42 posted on 03/23/2008 9:35:19 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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