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Gunshots bring abrupt end to frantic 911 call
CNN.COM ^ | Mar 20, 2008 | CNN

Posted on 03/20/2008 7:23:35 PM PDT by Edward Watson

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To: Edward Watson

From anywhere in my house I may be, I am about ten to twenty seconds from putting down some serious firepower on an unwelcome intruder.

Too long, I guess I better work on that.


81 posted on 03/21/2008 6:53:34 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: wastedyears
What if you fire 4 round of .45ACP in quick succession? The second one would likely be the kill shot, but you fire two more after that?

I am not a Doctor, but an observer in human behavior. When I observe that his threatening behavior stops, I stop responding to his threatening behavior.

82 posted on 03/21/2008 8:02:37 AM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: wastedyears

I don’t know if you are being funny, but we are not allowed near the WH


83 posted on 03/21/2008 9:12:45 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Mjaye

“Never drop the airplane in order to fly the microphone”.

Heh :^) I will remember that one. - thanks! - bill


84 posted on 03/21/2008 9:15:06 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: wastedyears
wastedyears said: "What if you fire 4 round of .45ACP in quick succession? The second one would likely be the kill shot, but you fire two more after that?"

There's probably a reasonable expectation that you not be firing with your eyes closed. If prior to the third shot you don't see that the attack has stopped, then you're probably okay.

I would say that around the fourth shot there should probably be some consideration of just how deadly what remains of the attack is. If the attacker is still on his feet and still has a gun in his hand, I would say you're on safe ground.

The defensive handgun class I took was based on pretty well-accepted practices. They taught that one fires two shots to center of mass and then checks for whether there is still a threat. The third round, if one is necessary, is a head shot, based on the possibility that the target is wearing body armor of some kind.

The training is not based on giving the attacker a chance to survive. It is based on making most efficient use of resources in stopping the attack. After the second shot, one is expected to reposition themselves if possible as a defensive measure.

One should also consider the distinct possibility that there is a second or third attacker. It wouldn't be prudent to waste four rounds on the first attacker and then have insufficient ammo to stop additional attackers.

Firing four shots without consideration of what the threat is doing increases the chances that the attacker has turned to flee and a round might catch him in the back. It's not the end of the world, but it might take some explaining later.

85 posted on 03/21/2008 10:23:47 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Getready
Getready said: "Once someone is being attacked they have the right to decide how much force is necessary to stop the attack."

Well, to an extent.

The initial attack has to make one reasonably fear death or serious bodily harm. As the attack plays out the decision belongs to the defender but must still be based on the same reasonable fear.

86 posted on 03/21/2008 10:32:49 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Myrddin
You are right about that. I never read CNN anything unless it is here on FR. I just thought it strange that CNN took an interest in a Homicide in my neck of the woods till I saw her last name. Norman did have property in the L.A. county area.
87 posted on 03/21/2008 10:35:19 AM PDT by tajgirvan (Please Pray for Steve Godbold, Christian Missionary Kidnapped in Chad, Africa. 10/11/07)
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To: bill1952

Aerate, perforate, and ventilate, perhaps...JFK


88 posted on 03/21/2008 10:36:58 AM PDT by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
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To: c-b 1

I believe you fire the warning shot after the perp is dead for CYA purposes.


89 posted on 03/21/2008 2:31:50 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: lightman

my buddy took a call from a lady that lit herself on fire...and then called 9-1-1....

he didnt know exactly what was going on until the officers reported back.....took him a while to get that out of his head.


90 posted on 03/21/2008 2:37:28 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: river rat

damn!


91 posted on 03/21/2008 2:38:54 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: wastedyears
What if you fire 4 round of .45ACP in quick succession? The second one would likely be the kill shot, but you fire two more after that?

If the perp was still moving forward, he was still a threat. The Sherriff's deputy who taught my CC class said to fire as many rounds as necessary to "end the threat", but not to "kill the bastard".

He then, in a round-about way, said "If the bastard wasn't dead, the threat wasn't ended"...

92 posted on 03/21/2008 2:40:45 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: Califreak

That works for me.


93 posted on 03/21/2008 2:51:32 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Edward Watson

I wish CNN allowed comments, have the perfect one.


94 posted on 03/21/2008 2:57:50 PM PDT by looscnnn (DU is a VD for the brain.)
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To: bill1952

Just a scenario; I don’t know how much of the airspace surrounding DC is a no-fly zone.


95 posted on 03/21/2008 5:54:07 PM PDT by wastedyears (More Maiden coming up in a few months!)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Good sheriff


96 posted on 03/21/2008 5:54:59 PM PDT by wastedyears (More Maiden coming up in a few months!)
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To: BurbankKarl
my buddy took a call from a lady that lit herself on fire...and then called 9-1-1....

he didnt know exactly what was going on until the officers reported back.....took him a while to get that out of his head.

Understandably. As I am sure that it also took a long time for the officers to get that smell out of their heads.

97 posted on 03/21/2008 6:23:22 PM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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