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Obama: 'This is not a crackpot church'
Politico.com ^ | 3/23/08 | Ben Smith

Posted on 03/23/2008 1:17:11 PM PDT by melt

Carrie Budoff Brown sends over the transcript from Obama's appearance, airing tomorrow, on the Michael Smerconish Show on 1210 AM WPHT in Philadelphia, from audio the show provided.

In the interview, Obama says he's talked to Wright in the past about "some of his views," and defends Trinity, saying "This is not a crackpot church."

Smerconish is a conservative talker who's been defending Obama's race speech.

OBAMA: I will be honest with you that I didn’t have that many conversations with him over the last year just because I have been so busy. I haven't been going to church. I wasn’t hearing a lot of these comments. The ones that are most offensive are ones that I never knew about until they were reported on. I had had conversations with him in the past – in fact from the day I first met him -- about some of his views. Understand this, something else that has not been reported on enough is despite these very offensive views, this guy has built one of the finest churches in Chicago. This is not a crackpot church. Witness the fact that Bill Clinton invited him to the White House when he was having his personal crises. This is a pillar of the community and if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church. ... So I don’t want to suggest that somehow, the loops you have been seeing typifies the services all the time. That is the danger of the YouTube era. It doesn't excuse what he said. But it gives it some perspective.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: church; crackpot; crackpotchurch; itcertainlyisbarry; jeremiahwright; nobama; obama; trinityucc
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Yeah, he's right. The church isn't the crackpot. It's the membership that's used the "crack" and the "pot"...

1 posted on 03/23/2008 1:17:11 PM PDT by melt
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To: melt

Obama has shown time and time again he is not an American and should not be running for the office of President of the United States.


2 posted on 03/23/2008 1:21:52 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: melt
"This is not a crackpot church."

The U.S. creating AIDS to "commit genocide against black people" and the CIA flooding the inner cities with drugs to "keep the black man down" isn't crackpot?

3 posted on 03/23/2008 1:22:41 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: melt

I was just comparing this church with the Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas. BHO’s church is definitely crackpot.

I wonder what E.V. Hill would say (if he could) to Jeremiah Wright about sermon topics and doctrinal beliefs.


4 posted on 03/23/2008 1:23:18 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: melt
"This is not a crackpot church."

This is not a crackpot church. This is a bunch of slick con men getting tithes out of people by telling them that they are not responsible for all the illegitimacy, the drug use, the hate. the crime, the illiteracy in their neighborhoods.... it is all Whitey's fault.


5 posted on 03/23/2008 1:25:08 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: melt
OBAMA: I will be honest with you that I didn’t have that many conversations with him over the last year just because I have been so busy. I haven't been going to church. I wasn’t hearing a lot of these comments. The ones that are most offensive are ones that I never knew about until they were reported on. I had had conversations with him in the past – in fact from the day I first met him -- about some of his views. Understand this, something else that has not been reported on enough is despite these very offensive views, this guy has built one of the finest churches in Chicago. This is not a crackpot church. Witness the fact that Bill Clinton invited him to the White House when he was having his personal crises. This is a pillar of the community and if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church. ... So I don’t want to suggest that somehow, the loops you have been seeing typifies the services all the time. That is the danger of the YouTube era. It doesn't excuse what he said. But it gives it some perspective.

O is becoming more expert at giving evasive responses.

His response starts to address the topic and then tries to divert attention to other elements.

Understand this, something else that has not been reported on enough...
6 posted on 03/23/2008 1:27:06 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: freekitty

Smerconish is a conservative? How so? He defends Specter all the time too.


7 posted on 03/23/2008 1:27:14 PM PDT by holdonnow
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To: melt
The Truth about Black Liberation Theology and Trinity church
8 posted on 03/23/2008 1:27:24 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: melt

Liar!


9 posted on 03/23/2008 1:28:34 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Eliot Spitzer: Living proof that the bigger they think they are, the harder they fall.)
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To: freekitty

Obama’s patriotism and loyalty to America have fallen into very serious question. And, so far, he has said nothing to change that. It seems that patriotism and loyalty are the very least we have a right to expect of a president, no?


10 posted on 03/23/2008 1:30:04 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: melt


11 posted on 03/23/2008 1:31:04 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth to a Liberal, is like a crucifix to a vampire))))
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To: melt
The ones that are most offensive are ones that I never knew about until they were reported on.
That lying scum-bag POS.
12 posted on 03/23/2008 1:32:29 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: freekitty

bttt


13 posted on 03/23/2008 1:33:20 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: melt

“Pay no attention to that man behind the pulpit! I am the great and powerful Obama!”


14 posted on 03/23/2008 1:33:35 PM PDT by sourcery (The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.)
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To: melt

All the other churches are crackpot. They don’t hate America as much.


15 posted on 03/23/2008 1:35:10 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (Bolshecrat, the amoral party of what if and whine.)
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To: melt

Obama: ‘This is not a crackpot church’ ...

how many times does it have to be said....b. HUSSEIN and his so-called church of peace and bringing people together...

from someone schooled in a madrasah.....alqueda and the f’n muzzies can’t wait for the coronation!!!!


16 posted on 03/23/2008 1:36:01 PM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: melt

Obama Hate’s White People


17 posted on 03/23/2008 1:37:44 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: melt

Let’s see....this morning’s sermon, by a “new” Preacher, was about how Rev. Wright’s departure was just like a “lynching”, so similar to the Crucifiction of Christ!!!!!

No....No Crackpots here.......


18 posted on 03/23/2008 1:41:23 PM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: melt

Yeah it is.


19 posted on 03/23/2008 1:44:00 PM PDT by SouthTexas (A Very Blessed Easter to All!)
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To: melt
if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church

Well, Barry, that certainly didn't prove to be true at all ... I don't recall Ice Cube being quoted in church before (I actually met him and Ice-T back in the '80's - he just shook my hand, I didn't know who he was - Ice T was running off at the mouth - big surprise)
20 posted on 03/23/2008 1:44:22 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: melt
This is a pillar of the community and if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church. ...

HAHAHAHAHA. Wrong. FR threads on Easter Sunday sermon by the Rev. Otis Moss III

In Easter Sermon, New Obama Pastor Charges Rev. Wright Victim of 'Lynching'
In Easter Sermon, Trinity United Pastor Compares Rev. Wright to Jesus
In Easter Sermon, New Obama Pastor Charges Rev. Wright Victim of 'Lynching', (Compares Him to Jesus)
21 posted on 03/23/2008 1:45:24 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: MindBender26

Listen to the cheers coming from the congregation when Wright spews his bile that is anti-American, anti-semitic, BS. Give me a break. These Liberal traitors think the majority of Americans are clueless morons. I guess the ones that support this wackjob pastor and Muslim running for POTUS fit that description.


22 posted on 03/23/2008 1:50:41 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: melt

OK, it just has crackpot pastors, and a congregation who likes to listen to crackpot minister.


23 posted on 03/23/2008 1:51:07 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: freekitty

I agree.
24 posted on 03/23/2008 1:52:28 PM PDT by realdifferent1 (What do the people of China call their good plates?)
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To: melt
Obama it may not be a “Crackpot church” to you but it is a “Jackpot church” to John McCain. Thank you so very much Rev Wrong.
25 posted on 03/23/2008 1:54:14 PM PDT by hflynn ( Soros would not make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: MindBender26
This has given the church as a whole a view into “black churches”, they are divisive and if I was a black American, a true believer in Christ. I would high tail it to a church that preaches The Word and separate myself from these churches they teach heresy. It is high time for "The Church" to unite.
26 posted on 03/23/2008 1:56:15 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: melt
"In the interview, Obama says he's talked to Wright in the past about "some of his views," and defends Trinity, saying "This is not a crackpot church."

melt: "Yeah, he's right. The church isn't the crackpot. It's the membership that's used the "crack" and the "pot"...

LOL

Of course those who are of the opinion that atheistic Marxism -(which drives "Liberation Theology")- isn't "crackpot", would agree with him.

Pope Benedict XVI would disagree with them, however. He shows them how they're twisting Scripture:

"..But the "theologies of liberation"...go on to a disastrous _confusion_ between the poor of the Scripture and the proletariat of Marx."

Theologies of Liberation

[...]

"..Let us recall the fact that atheism and the denial of the human person, his liberty and rights, are at the core of the Marxist theory. This theory, then, contains errors which directly threaten the truths of the faith regarding the eternal destiny of individual persons. Moreover, to attempt to integrate into theology an analysis whose criterion of interpretation depends on this atheistic conception is to involve oneself in terrible contradictions. What is more, this misunderstanding of the spiritual nature of the person leads to a total subordination of the person to the collectivity, and thus to the denial of the principles of a social and political life which is in keeping with human dignity. ...

[...]

"..We are facing, therefore, a real system, even if some hesitate to follow the logic to its conclusion. As such, this system is a perversion of the Christian message as God entrusted it to His Church. This message in its entirety finds itself then called into question by the "theologies of liberation."

[...]

"...As a result, participation in the class struggle is presented as a requirement of charity itself. The desire to love everyone here and now, despite his class, and to go out to meet him with the non-violent means of dialogue and persuasion, is denounced as counterproductive and opposed to love.

If one holds that a person should not be the object of hate, it is claimed nevertheless that, if he belongs to the objective class of the rich, he is primarily a class enemy to be fought. Thus the universality of love of neighbor and brotherhood become an eschatological principle, which will only have meaning for the "new man", who arises out of the victorious revolution. ...

[...]

"..But the "theologies of liberation", which reserve credit for restoring to a place of honor the great texts of the prophets and of the Gospel in defense of the poor, go on to a disastrous confusion between the poor of the Scripture and the proletariat of Marx.

In this way they pervert the Christian meaning of the poor, and they transform the fight for the rights of the poor into a class fight within the ideological perspective of the class struggle. For them the Church of the poor signifies the Church of the class which has become aware of the requirements of the revolutionary struggle as a step toward liberation and which celebrates this liberation in its liturgy. ...

[...]

"..The new hermeneutic inherent in the "theologies of liberation" leads to an essentially political re-reading of the Scriptures. Thus, a major importance is given to the Exodus event inasmuch as it is a liberation from political servitude. Likewise, a political reading of the "Magnificat" is proposed. The mistake here is not in bringing attention to a political dimension of the readings of Scripture, but in making of this one dimension the principal or exclusive component. This leads to a reductionist reading of the Bible.

Likewise, one places oneself within the perspective of a temporal messianism, which is one of the most radical of the expressions of secularization of the Kingdom of God and of its absorption into the immanence of human history.

In giving such priority to the political dimension, one is led to deny the radical newness of the New Testament and above all to misunderstand the person of Our Lord Jesus Christ, true God and true man, and thus the specific character of the salvation he gave us, that is above all liberation from sin, which is the source of all evils. ..

[...]

"...Faith in the Incarnate Word, dead and risen for all men, and whom "God made Lord and Christ" is denied. In its place is substituted a figure of Jesus who is a kind of symbol who sums up in Himself the requirements of the struggle of the oppressed.

An exclusively political interpretation is thus given to the death of Christ. In this way, its value for salvation and the whole economy of redemption is denied. ...

[...]

"..For them, the struggle of the classes is the way to unity.

The Eucharist thus becomes the Eucharist of the class. At the same time, they deny the triumphant force of the love of God which has been given to us.

[...]

"...the source of injustice is in the hearts of men. Therefore it is only by making an appeal to the moral potential of the person and to the constant need for interior conversion, that social change will be brought about which will be truly in the service of man.

For it will only be in the measure that they collaborate freely in these necessary changes through their own initiative and in solidarity, that people, awakened to a sense of their responsibility, will grow in humanity.

The inversion of morality and structures is steeped in a materialist anthropology which is incompatible with the dignity of mankind.

[...]

".. the overthrow by means of revolutionary violence of structures which generate violence is not ipso facto the beginning of a just regime. A major fact of our time ought to evoke the reflection of all those who would sincerely work for the true liberation of their brothers: millions of our own contemporaries legitimately yearn to recover those basic freedoms of which they were deprived by totalitarian and atheistic regimes which came to power by violent and revolutionary means, precisely in the name of the liberation of the people.

This shame of our time cannot be ignored: while claiming to bring them freedom, these regimes keep whole nations in conditions of servitude which are unworthy of mankind. Those who, perhaps inadvertently, make themselves accomplices of similar enslavements betray the very poor they mean to help.

The class struggle as a road toward a classless society is a myth which slows reform and aggravates poverty and injustice.

Those who allow themselves to be caught up in fascination with this myth should reflect on the bitter examples history has to offer about where it leads.

They would then understand that we are not talking here about abandoning an effective means of struggle on behalf of the poor for an ideal which has no practical effects. On the contrary, we are talking about freeing oneself from a delusion in order to base oneself squarely on the Gospel and its power of realization. ...

[...]

~ Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (nka Pope Benedict XVI) August 6, 1984

“Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes, not divine, but demonic.” ~ Pope Benedict XVI

“...After all, every normal person wants to help the poor and needy, but helping them at the end of a gun, as the left always want us to do, renders any spiritual benefit inoperative for both parties. .... What we hear from Obama is the eternal mantra of the socialists; America is broken, millions have no health care, families cannot afford necessities, the rich are evil, we are selfish, we are unhappy, unfulfilled, without hope, desperate, poverty stricken, morally desolate, corrupt and racist. This nihilism is the lifeblood of all the democrat candidates, even ‘hope you can believe in’ performers like Obama. When Michelle Obama claims she is only newly proud of her country, she does not exaggerate. In her world as in Obama’s, they believe we are a mess, a land filled with the ignorant and unenlightened, filled with despair” ..." (Fairchok).

27 posted on 03/23/2008 1:59:09 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Obama - the king of Hope-A-Dope" ~ jwalsh07)
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To: melt

Obama: “This is not a crackpot church.”

He may really believe this to be true! This is where he’s gone for the past 20+ years. The Black Liberation Theology was taught to him, and appealed to his admitted sense of victimization (which was rooted in his vanity).

I doubt very much that he ever took the time to figure out that this is not a Christian message.

He’s deceived. I pray he discovers Jesus, and the true gospel.

Meanwhile, he will continue to be stunned and amazed at the backlash from “typical white people.”


28 posted on 03/23/2008 2:07:59 PM PDT by rightazrain (Stop Obama/Clinton!)
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To: Jeff Head
...if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church.

It's unbelievable how out of touch the Obama's are. I think, OTOH, that these are typical opinions of those involved in the new-fangled, post-soviet Left. There's usually some strong class-struggle themes supercharged with a racial angle. Your link shows just how deep those roots are.

The Obamas' upbringing and wealth have left them completely out-of-touch with the mainstream of American life. They inhabit a parallel universe of ideology and fantasy.

29 posted on 03/23/2008 2:10:13 PM PDT by ishmac
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To: melt

“This is not a crackpot church.”

True enough.

It’s a crackpot RACIST church.


30 posted on 03/23/2008 2:10:58 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: melt
"This is not a crackpot church."

Only a crackpot could say that and mean it.

31 posted on 03/23/2008 2:12:07 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: melt
Obama,,,,,,,a Zimbabwe Dictator Robert Mugabe wannabe.
32 posted on 03/23/2008 2:12:10 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: samtheman

“That lying scum-bag POS.”

Don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel. :-))

(btw, I agree)


33 posted on 03/23/2008 2:13:05 PM PDT by Canedawg (No Che Hussein NObama, and the Hildebeast, too)
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To: melt
In the interview...defends Trinity, saying "This is not a crackpot church."

Of course it isn't. It's a "Black separatist racist hate church".

34 posted on 03/23/2008 2:13:26 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: melt
Smerconish is a conservative Liberal RINO talker who's been defending Obama's race speech.
35 posted on 03/23/2008 2:14:21 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: TomGuy

“O is becoming more expert at giving evasive responses.”

I guess the “all black churches are like that” explanation only worked on some white liberals charmed with O’s race speech.


36 posted on 03/23/2008 2:15:04 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: melt
Obama: 'This is not a crackpot church'

Only a crackpot would make that statement.

The comments to this article clearly show that Politico is overwhelmingly populated by the left.
37 posted on 03/23/2008 2:19:42 PM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: melt
Obama: 'This is not a crackpot church'

Now, now, Obama, do the right thing!

I belonged to a crackpot church for a long time.

Just ask the Very Rectum Archbishop Williams of Canterbury.

The difference, Obama, is that when it went barking mad I took a walk.

38 posted on 03/23/2008 2:20:19 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: al baby

“KIll My Landlord!!!”

Exactly.


39 posted on 03/23/2008 2:21:27 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: melt

“Obama - Building a Religion”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xtNr5-up0U

And Wright compares him to Jesus.


40 posted on 03/23/2008 2:21:38 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: ExTexasRedhead
>>>>>These Liberal traitors think the majority of Americans are clueless morons.

Much to my regret and distaste, I'm pretty close to agreeing with them on that.

For example, In 1983, on 20th anniversary of death of JKF, I interviewed a bunch of Texas high school kids from a rather decent school on what they thought about the late president.

65% had no idea who he was.

My videogrpaher was a Black man. He whispered to me, “Ask the Black kids about Martin Luther King.” (This was 15 years after Dr. King's death.)

65% of the Black kids had no idea who MLK was.

We were both very quiet in the ride back to the bureau. I was sad. He was angry.

Ruf’s only comment was, “He gave his life so they could go to that school.... and they have no idea who he was. Their parents deserve a whuppin... and I think I'm going to get very drunk tonight!”

I didn't blame him.

41 posted on 03/23/2008 2:23:30 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: al baby
“Obama Hate’s White People”

And his liberal white mother was the first to begin teaching the idea.

42 posted on 03/23/2008 2:24:06 PM PDT by ryan71
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To: melt
Now he claims to have talk with Wright about some of his views. Why didn't he say so a week ago? Oh, he expected to be able to shut up us crackers by saying his grandmother, those of us who voted for Ronald Reagan, and most of cracker KKK-America are racists. Since that didn't work, now he has to distance himself from Racist Wright.

Hint: Whenever a person has to say: This organization is (or I am) not a crackpot (or crook). You can be pretty certain the organization or individual IS whatever it is alleged not to be.

43 posted on 03/23/2008 2:30:25 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: SouthTexas

Church? No, its a hate cult.


44 posted on 03/23/2008 2:33:14 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: MindBender26

“...This is a bunch of slick con men getting tithes out of people by telling them that they are not responsible for all the illegitimacy, the drug use, the hate. the crime, the illiteracy in their neighborhoods.... it is all Whitey’s fault.”

People STUPID and RACIST enough to attend this “church” deserve to be ‘had.’


45 posted on 03/23/2008 2:34:59 PM PDT by Levante
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To: melt
The money quote:

"This is not a crackpot church."


46 posted on 03/23/2008 2:35:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: melt

We gotcha Obama; the church isn’t crackpot, America is...


47 posted on 03/23/2008 2:36:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: al baby

al,baby, your spelling is no better than your selection of mistresses.


48 posted on 03/23/2008 2:39:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: melt

If the church is not “crack pot,” the parson and his gnomes need be in prison on charges of sedition. My white skin crawls at the though of that gang preaching for my destruction.


49 posted on 03/23/2008 2:40:47 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: melt; Pride in the USA; Stillwaters
This is not a crackpot church. Witness the fact that Bill Clinton invited him to the White House when he was having his personal crises. This is a pillar of the community and if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church. ...

Oh for cryin' out loud. Bill Clinton also used Jesse Jackson as a spiritual advisor during the Lewinski scandal. The same Jesse Jackson who fathered an illegitimate child with his own aide, Karen Sanford! And if Obama doesn't think it's "crackpot" that his church's Easter sermon today was about Pastor Jeremiah Wright's deserved exposure, calling it a "lynching" comparable to the crucifixion of Christ, then Obama is not only a Marxist, he might be clinically insane.

50 posted on 03/23/2008 2:47:02 PM PDT by lonevoice (John McCain was a Kinoki foot pad in the Reagan Revolution)
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