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Pregnancy raises touchy gender issue
The Oregonian ^ | March 26, 2008 | DON COLBURN

Posted on 03/26/2008 6:09:19 AM PDT by crazyhorse691

A transgender man in Bend claims he is five months pregnant -- in a case that would stretch the meaning of the 21st-century family and the limits of personal pronouns.

But what sounds on the Internet like science fiction or tabloid hype may be more a matter of semantics, hormones and personal choice.

The parent-to-be was born female but identifies as a man, he writes in his first-person account posted this week by The Advocate, a national gay publication. He legally changed his name to Thomas Beatie and married a woman named Nancy. Beatie declined to answer questions from The Oregonian, citing an exclusive contract with another media outlet.

About 10 years ago, Beatie underwent breast-removal surgery and started male hormones, he writes, but kept the uterus and female genitals. After moving from Hawaii to Bend, the couple decided two years ago to have a child.

Nancy couldn't carry the child because she had had a hysterectomy. So Beatie stopped testosterone injections, and menstrual periods returned within four months . He says he conceived through artificial insemination at home with sperm bought from a sperm bank and that he didn't take fertility drugs.

Doctors say the case, while exceptional, is believable.

"Biologically, that all sounds plausible," says Dr. Mark Nichols, medical director of Planned Parenthood of the Columbia/Willamette and professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Oregon Health & Science University.

"The definition of family has changed a lot," Nichols says. "There's not a set definition anymore."

Beatie's daughter is due around July 3, he writes in the "First Person" feature in the April 8 edition of The Advocate (www.advocate.com). It was released online earlier this week and picked up on national television. A phone call to The Advocate asking how they verified details in his very personal account wasn't returned.

"To Nancy, I am her husband carrying our child," he writes. "I will be my daughter's father, and Nancy will be her mother. We will be a family."

Got that? Family dynamics circa 2008 can get complicated.

Many transgender men opt not to have radical reconstructive surgery -- to convert the clitoris to a penis -- because it can cost tens of thousands of dollars and offers imperfect results, Nichols says. Instead, they choose hormonal treatment or simply declare themselves men and ask to be referred to by a different pronoun.

"I don't doubt that there are other cases" of transgender men having babies, says Dr. Paula Amato, a reproductive endocrinologist at OHSU.

The most troubling aspect of the case, she says, is Beatie's allegation that some doctors refused to treat him.

"Our situation sparks legal, political and social unknowns," Beatie writes. "We have only begun experiencing opposition from people who are upset by our situation" -- including friends and family members.

Beatie runs a custom screen-printing business called Define Normal in Bend that specializes in embroidered T-shirts. A closed sign hung in the window of the business on Tuesday.

And near the Beaties' tidy two-story Craftsman-style home, neighbors Timothy and Janet Boland were surprised by the news that Thomas Beatie was pregnant. The retired couple said they had gotten to know the Beaties over the last year and a half through neighborhood parties.

"They've always been very friendly," said Timothy Boland.

"We like them," said Janet Boland.

Beatie writes that most people he meets don't know he is pregnant. "But our situation ultimately will ask everyone to embrace the gamut of human possibility and to define for themselves what is normal."

The rarity and bizarre details of a case like this can obscure what's at stake, says OHSU's Nichols.

"You hope this kid will grow up with two adults who care very much for her, and that's great," he says. "It's a decision best left to the individuals in privacy.

"My inclination would be to wish them good luck, hope it all goes well and leave well enough alone."

Matthew Preusch of The Oregonian staff contributed to this report.

Don Colburn: 503-294-5124; doncolburn@news.oregonian.com


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; pregnancy; transgender
I have not been so shocked since the ministers daughter took me to the church bell tower to see the holy ghost. Not only the woman to man thingee, but, the attitude of the doctor in the ivory tower, and the mockery of a family unit.
1 posted on 03/26/2008 6:09:20 AM PDT by crazyhorse691
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To: crazyhorse691

IT is NOT a “HE”!


2 posted on 03/26/2008 6:11:21 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: crazyhorse691

This story is complete nonsense.

So, a mentally ill woman with mutilated breasts managed to impregnate herself using a turkey baster and a “DNA sample” form the sperm bank.

BFD.


3 posted on 03/26/2008 6:13:12 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: crazyhorse691

The reluctance of doctors to treat “him” probably has more to do with liability concerns rather than morality. “He” has been on testosterone therapy and has been at least partially surgically modified, and no OB doctor wants to risk an unknown outcome in what is already a lawsuit-filled business.


4 posted on 03/26/2008 6:13:41 AM PDT by Sender (Feltzqlna dads if mental our Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him)
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To: crazyhorse691
It's not very complicated.

A mentally ill woman who is hallucinating that she is a man has gotten pregnant.

If her illness made her think she was Joan of Arc instead of Joe Sixpack, it wouldn't even be news.

5 posted on 03/26/2008 6:14:06 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: crazyhorse691

6 posted on 03/26/2008 6:14:06 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: crazyhorse691

Confusing is not the word on this one.


7 posted on 03/26/2008 6:14:41 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: JimRed

Yeah, what’s so tough about this? A woman who likes to pretend she’s a man had artificial insemination and is pregnant.


8 posted on 03/26/2008 6:15:38 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: crazyhorse691

“’Biologically, that all sounds plausible,’ says Dr. Mark Nichols, medical director of Planned Parenthood of the Columbia/Willamette and professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Oregon Health & Science University.”

This guy is probably salivating at the prospect of an untapped source for abortions.


9 posted on 03/26/2008 6:16:47 AM PDT by RouxStir (No Peeing Allowed in the Gene Pool.)
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To: crazyhorse691

A women acting as a man, her body doing exactly what is was designed to do does not, make her a man.


10 posted on 03/26/2008 6:16:57 AM PDT by edcoil (Go Great in 08 ... Slide into 09)
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To: crazyhorse691

Trannies and minorities hardest hit.


11 posted on 03/26/2008 6:17:59 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: Sender

Bingo. The doctors should simply ask, “do you wish to file the lawsuit now, or do you want to wait for the complications to set in first?”


12 posted on 03/26/2008 6:19:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: crazyhorse691

It’s a new gender....”FREAK”


13 posted on 03/26/2008 6:21:30 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: crazyhorse691
A transgender man in Bend claims he is five months pregnant...This sentence is completely incorrect.

A transgender man woman in Bend claims he she is five months pregnant...

Now it's right. So where's the story here?

14 posted on 03/26/2008 6:22:16 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: crazyhorse691

GROSS!


15 posted on 03/26/2008 6:25:39 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: crazyhorse691

If this is true, God have mercy on the child.


16 posted on 03/26/2008 6:34:33 AM PDT by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: crazyhorse691

Prayers for the baby. I can not imagine what kind of life it will have. Shaking my head...


17 posted on 03/26/2008 6:41:40 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: ladtx
If she was really a man we could say:

"Where is the fetus going to gestate. You gonna keep it in a box?"

18 posted on 03/26/2008 6:45:47 AM PDT by CDFingers (EALM: Ethnic Americans Living in Massachusetts)
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To: crazyhorse691

It’s very simple:

Regardless of “surgery” or “hormones”, XX=woman; XY= man.

What set you get is what you are.

Forever.

The end.


19 posted on 03/26/2008 6:47:26 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: crazyhorse691

“Biologically, that all sounds plausible,” says Dr. Mark Nichols, medical director of Planned Parenthood of the Columbia/Willamette and professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Oregon Health & Science University.

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Look at his titles....how can he do both?? Life and death....this is sickening.


20 posted on 03/26/2008 7:18:02 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: crazyhorse691

“The definition of family has changed a lot,” Nichols says. “There’s not a set definition anymore.”
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Wrongo.....no matter how many times you repeat this....it won’t make it true.


21 posted on 03/26/2008 7:19:13 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: crazyhorse691
The rarity and bizarre details of a case like this can obscure what's at stake, says OHSU's Nichols.

"You hope this kid will grow up with two adults who care very much for her, and that's great," he says. "It's a decision best left to the individuals in privacy.

"My inclination would be to wish them good luck, hope it all goes well and leave well enough alone."

In a normal relationship these two would be looking over their shoulder for Child Protective Services.

Of course, in Oregon the CPS agents will probably throw a baby shower. Let's check back in 15 years as the little tyke runs away seeking a normal life.

22 posted on 03/26/2008 7:46:16 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: crazyhorse691

So, will SHE stop taking testosterone while pregnant or screw up her child before it’s born too so she can pretend to be male? I didn’t want to read the whole article because, well EWW..


23 posted on 03/26/2008 9:15:56 AM PDT by Trillian
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To: Trillian

The other article said she stopped using testosterone several months before conceiving.


24 posted on 03/26/2008 9:21:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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To: CDFingers

“Here, I’ve got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can’t actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody’s fault, not even the Romans’, but that he can have the right to have babies.”


25 posted on 03/26/2008 9:23:43 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Tax-chick

Ah ok.
I feel so sorry for that baby. It will never know it’s father, the mother will pretend to be it’s father and the woman she’s shacking up with will pretend to be the mother. How can anyone be so SELFISH to do this to a child?


26 posted on 03/26/2008 9:28:16 AM PDT by Trillian
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How can anyone be so SELFISH to do this to a child?

Lots of women deprive their children of fathers, without this woman's excuse of being barking mad.

27 posted on 03/26/2008 12:25:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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To: Tax-chick

I was born a man, but identify as a fire engine, and if you deny me my right to be a fire engine, you are worse than Hitlet.


28 posted on 03/27/2008 6:26:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: crazyhorse691
"The definition of family has changed a lot," Nichols says. "There's not a set definition anymore."

Here is the whole point of this.

The family unit must be destroyed in order for the socialist hive (gov't) to take its place of primary loyalty.

29 posted on 03/27/2008 6:30:22 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: massgopguy

That could work if you’re arrested for peeing on a fire in public.


30 posted on 03/27/2008 6:31:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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