China: Countries urged to see 'true face' of Dalai Lama

China Daily ^ | 03/26/08 | Qin Jize

[TigerLikesRooster]

Countries urged to see 'true face' of Dalai Lama

By Qin Jize (China Daily)

Updated: 2008-03-26 07:10

Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang yesterday again urged the international community to see the Dalai Lama's "true face" and offer no support for his secessionist activities.

Qin made the remarks in response to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's recent call for China to consider a new policy to address the Tibet issue and to start talks with the Dalai Lama.

US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi also visited the Dalai Lama last week.

Qin said the position of just a few countries did not represent that of the international community.

More than 100 nations have expressed their support and understanding of the Chinese government's attitude to protecting the lives and property of its citizens from violent riots, he said.

Qin said the central government's policy toward the Dalai Lama is consistent and explicit, saying it not only listens to what he says but, more importantly, observes what he does.

China yesterday also criticized a British newspaper's report that linked the Beijing Olympics with the Berlin Games of 1936, saying the story is an insult to Chinese citizens and to the people of the world.

A report published in the British newspaper the Sunday Times said China is holding the Olympics for the same reason Adolf Hitler did in 1936, as an opportunity to collect accolades.

Qin said the Beijing Olympics is a magnificent sports meeting, and people from all nations have expressed their wishes to use it as an opportunity to enhance global understanding, friendship and cooperation.

"The Olympic torch symbolizes humankind's noble ideals and beautiful aspirations," Qin said.

" It also casts light on the gloomy mentality of some people, which will help the common people see their true face," he said.

"The Beijing Olympic Games must be a success with all the efforts made by the people of the

[TigersEye]

I wasn't the one who started demanding such links. I'm still waiting for something other than "Students for a Free Tibet" from you.

No irony there eh? LOL

[TigersEye]

How is it to live vicariously through the lives and stories of others?

Like the Cambridge History of China?

[TigersEye]

Like I said, where did I specifically state that I had read the Cambridge History of China? I can see three instances of suggesting it to others.

Like I asked; Is semantic nitpicking an example of your critical thinking skills?

[Dr. Marten]

Like I asked; Is semantic nitpicking an example of your critical thinking skills?

 

It has nothing to do with semantics; it's all about your lack of critical reading skills.

[Dr. Marten]

How is it to live vicariously through the lives and stories of others?

Like the Cambridge History of China?

Um, as I mentioned before, I've actually lived in and out of China for several years and there are many freepers who, while they may disagree with me on some issues, can none-the-less verify that (including the one who posted this thread).

[Dr. Marten]

You are a master of projection. Anyone can go on a trip and take a picture. Some people can do more than that. Not you though. ; )

 

The photos taken from the Himalyan Moutains were indeed a trip; they were taken during They certainly can, but my last trip lasted for more than a year. Feel free to sift through the archives of my site. I've been in and out of China for more than 8 years.  The photos taken from the Himalyan Moutains were on a "trip". My wife and I had the pleasure of staying with the leader of a Tibetan village. Great stuff.

[Dr. Marten]

And Wikipedia (lol) and several books written by Tibetans (not westerners who never set foot in Asia) and from several Tibetan lamas born in Tibet that I know personally and whose personal testimonies I have read.

 

Using your misplaced logic, I suppose I can now claim supreme knowledge on this subject. While serving as the President of the Chinese Language Club at my university a few years ago, I had the privildge of sitting down for a luncheon with the Dalai Lama's brother and several other Tibetan Monks from the Tibetan Cultural Center in Bloomington.  It was quite a treat and a very enlightening experience. And while I have never had the honor of meeting his holiness, the Dalai Lama, I have been fortunate enough to hear him speak during one of his many trips to Bloomington, IN.

 

See how fun these childish pissing contests are?

[Dr. Marten]

(Just in case you missed it)

And Wikipedia (lol) and several books written by Tibetans (not westerners who never set foot in Asia) and from several Tibetan lamas born in Tibet that I know personally and whose personal testimonies I have read.

 

Using your misplaced logic, I suppose I can now claim supreme knowledge on this subject. While serving as the President of the Chinese Language Club at my university a few years ago, I had the privildge of sitting down for a luncheon with the Dalai Lama's brother and several other Tibetan Monks from the Tibetan Cultural Center in Bloomington.  It was quite a treat and a very enlightening experience. And while I have never had the honor of meeting his holiness, the Dalai Lama, I have been fortunate enough to hear him speak during one of his many trips to Bloomington, IN.

 

See how fun these childish pissing contests are?

[Dr. Marten]

And Wikipedia (lol) and several books written by Tibetans (not westerners who never set foot in Asia) and from several Tibetan lamas born in Tibet that I know personally and whose personal testimonies I have read.

 

Your knowledge of Chinese - Tibetan history remindes me of  Hillary Clinton's experience in Foreign Relations

 

[TigersEye]

Nothing you are saying adds anything to the subject or addresses anything you have been challenged on. Your continued pissing contest tactics are boring, windy and arrogant. I doubt that you have ever attended a college. It is unlikely, considering your extremely poor logic skills, that you even graduated high school. Good night. I have better things to do now that I have forced you to expose your ignorance.

[Dr. Marten]

Nothing you are saying adds anything to the subject or addresses anything you have been challenged on. Your continued pissing contest tactics are boring, windy and arrogant. I doubt that you have ever attended a college. It is unlikely, considering your extremely poor logic skills, that you even graduated high school. Good night. I have better things to do now that I have forced you to expose your ignorance.

 

Translation: You have nothing. Your pot-calling-the-kettle-black tactics are all that have been exposed. You are about as ignorant as they come and simply choose to respond as you see fit; regardless of what's been asked.

 

You've never been to Tibet; never been to China and it's doubtful you've ever even left the United States. Hell, you probably don't even have a passport and that's a good thing.

 

Your inability to debate the topic at hand in an objective manner only leads one to believe that you have no authoritive voice to speak from. In other words, you can't win so you result to insults and invented contacts to inflate your sense of knowledge on a topic you know nothing about.

 

 

[TigersEye]

More projection.

[Dr. Marten]

“More projection”

Translation: Lame response for I have nothing.

[TigersEye]

I already refuted your only substantive contribution to this thread and you have not rebutted it with anything. You seem to be the one with nothing.

Post #84

Post #86

[Dr. Marten]

I think that history on Wikipedia is fairly decent. It matches pretty well what I have read in other accounts from Tibetan sources. If you read the paragraph in post #47 carefully it does not indicate a Han Chinese domination of political affairs in the least. It actually says the Mongols placed Tibetans and Uighurs in authority over the Han Chinese. The Yuan empire was Mongolian not Chinese.

Obviously you do not understand the previous statements of history that I have provided. It's easy to understand why.

[Dr. Marten]

Nothing you are saying adds anything to the subject or addresses anything you have been challenged on. Your continued pissing contest tactics are boring, windy and arrogant. I doubt that you have ever attended a college. It is unlikely, considering your extremely poor logic skills, that you even graduated high school. Good night. I have better things to do now that I have forced you to expose your ignorance.

 

Translation: You have nothing. Your pot-calling-the-kettle-black tactics are all that have been exposed. You are about as ignorant as they come and simply choose to respond as you see fit; regardless of what's been asked.

 

You've never been to Tibet; never been to China and it's doubtful you've ever even left the United States. Hell, you probably don't even have a passport and that's a good thing.

 

Your inability to debate the topic at hand in an objective manner only leads one to believe that you have no authoritive voice to speak from. In other words, you can't win so you result to insults and invented contacts to inflate your sense of knowledge on a topic you know nothing about.

 

 

[TigersEye]

There is nothing more empty than repetitions of the same failed arguments. The style and substance of your debate might work in a high school lunch room but it wouldn't even be acceptable on a high school debating team. Insults and credentials, repeated endlessly, are not equivalent to substantive responses addressed to issues. You haven't done the latter even once.

[Dr. Marten]

There is nothing more empty than repetitions of the same failed arguments. The style and substance of your debate might work in a high school lunch room but it wouldn't even be acceptable on a high school debating team. Insults and credentials, repeated endlessly, are not equivalent to substantive responses addressed to issues. You haven't done the latter even once.

 

Speaking of a high school debate team, do you honestly think "Students for a Free Tibet" would pass for credibility in an argument? No, it wouldn't.

 

You have failed to offer any rebuttal to the other statements you've made in reference to your credibility. "You know some Tibetans", "You've read some testimonies"...blah blah blah.

 

You don't know anything from your own experiences. You're simply regurgitating second-hand knowledge for which you have no citations. That's called hearsay.

 

Talk about credentials, you have none. You can't even provide a single academic citation for any of the assertions you've made, but you'll respond by saying the same. In other words, you HAVE NOTHING.

 

FYI, Wikipedia is not accepted as an academic source. So, given your pride in posting the first link to wikipedia as your source, you are now obligated to provide the actual source of your information.

 

You Sir, are a fraud and the closest you will ever come to a brain storm is a light drizzle.

[Dr. Marten]

There is nothing more empty than repetitions of the same failed arguments.

 

They're not arguments until you have addressed them. Until then, they simply highlight your ignorance.

[TigersEye]

Same old same old. I crushed your points and you have failed to rebut. Until you do I can just keep answering your insults and empty claims of victory.