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Teens need right to 'medically assisted suicide'
telegraph ^ | 26/03/2008 | By Bruno Waterfield in Brussels

Posted on 03/28/2008 5:25:10 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246

Teenagers should be given the right to medically assisted suicide and the parents of terminally ill younger children should be able to choose euthanasia under proposals from members of Belgium's coalition government.

The plans to extend rules allowing doctors to perform euthanasia on terminally ill people suffering "constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain" comes amid heated Belgian debate on the issue.

Under existing Belgian laws, in place since 2002, patients, other than newborn babies, must be over 18 to qualify for assisted suicide, a situation that Bart Tommelein, leader of Belgium Liberals, wants changed.

Mr Tommelein, whose party is a key member of Belgium's coalition government, has pledged to bring forward new legislative proposals extending euthanasia to children and old people suffering from such severe dementia that they are unable to choose for themselves.

"We will seek, as Liberals, parliamentary majorities," Mr Tommelein said.

The ethical debate will mean another headache for Belgium's new Prime Minister Yves Leterme and his fragile government, which took power last week after a nine-month political crisis.

Cardinal Danneels, Belgium's Catholic Cardinal, used his Easter sermon to start a polarised national debate on euthanasia.

"Avoiding suffering is no act of bravery," he said. "Our society seems unable to cope with death and suffering."

The Cardinal has reacted to Belgian media "glorification" of the "brave" euthanasia least week of Hugo Claus, a Flemish writer suffering from Alzheimers disease.

There are more than 39 cases of euthanasia declared by doctors in Belgium every month, but the true figure is thought to be double that.

Euthanasia is currently permitted on infants and more than half of the Belgian babies who die before they are 12 months old have been killed by deliberate medical intervention.

In 16 per cent of cases parental consent was not considered.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: belgium; choosedeath; cultureofdeath; europe; euthanasia; infanticide; moralabsolutes; posttermabortion; prolife; qualityoflife; suicide; teens
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1 posted on 03/28/2008 5:25:15 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Under existing Belgian laws, in place since 2002, patients, other than newborn babies, must be over 18 to qualify for assisted suicide

more than half of the Belgian babies who die before they are 12 months old have been killed by deliberate medical intervention.
2 posted on 03/28/2008 5:26:26 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246; wagglebee

“Euthanasia is currently permitted on infants and more than half of the Belgian babies who die before they are 12 months old have been killed by deliberate medical intervention. “

Good Lord.


3 posted on 03/28/2008 5:26:32 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: dynachrome

Just flat out evil.


4 posted on 03/28/2008 5:27:56 PM PDT by tdewey10 (Voting for McCain. We need a non-activist USSC. It's time to end the legal murder that is abortion)
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To: Grzegorz 246

No, no, no... give them the option. The more idiots we get out of this world the better. I know several teens and early 20-somethings who are so miserable and whacked out on Xanax that they’d be better off. It’s really a sad state of affairs, but welcome to the next Generation!


5 posted on 03/28/2008 5:28:21 PM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Take heart liberals, Europeans agree with you. The unborn, the old and the infirm should be eliminated.


6 posted on 03/28/2008 5:29:49 PM PDT by infantrywhooah (Hold your nose and vote in November. Even McCain is better than the alternatives)
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To: Grzegorz 246

I’d like to see all fetuses have a right to be born and then, once they are old enough, let them decide if they would like to continue living.


7 posted on 03/28/2008 5:30:35 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How many more "scientists and researchers" can the taxpayers afford to support with Federal grants?)
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To: rarestia

I’m sorry but do something for the kids you ‘know’ instead of offing them. Get them off the prescription drugs, talk to the parents. Talk to them about God and that every life having a purpose.

I’m not saying their condition is your fault or that you are responsible for them bieng that way. But don’t just give up on ‘em. They need a reason to feel useful and that there is some plan for them being here, right now - and it ain’t about them committing suicide.


8 posted on 03/28/2008 5:32:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: dynachrome

Just a guess here but God has to be done with Europe.


9 posted on 03/28/2008 5:33:12 PM PDT by edcoil (Go Great in 08 ... Slide into 09)
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To: infantrywhooah

Ya know, I keep thinking that the Nazis won in the end... The EU is lot like what a Nazi German dominated Europe would have looked like.
‘Bout the only they don’t have is “Lebensraum” in the East.


10 posted on 03/28/2008 5:33:59 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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To: dynachrome
“Euthanasia is currently permitted on infants and more than half of the Belgian babies who die before they are 12 months old have been killed by deliberate medical intervention. “

Presumably this does not include abortions.

So Brussels is where the devil stays when he's in europe?

11 posted on 03/28/2008 5:34:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: Coleus; narses; cpforlife.org; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Mr. Silverback; bjs1779; ...

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12 posted on 03/28/2008 5:39:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“where the devil stays”

I am sure he feels right at home. Isn’t Brussels where the EU is headquartered, also?


13 posted on 03/28/2008 5:39:17 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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14 posted on 03/28/2008 5:39:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Actually Belgium is behaving like they have moral authority in case of human rights, democracy etc. when in fact with laws like this one they should be treated like an ass of the world.


15 posted on 03/28/2008 5:41:59 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Tell me again why we wasted American blood saving these demons from the Nazis.


16 posted on 03/28/2008 5:42:30 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

All they had to do was sell contraception. Abortion soon followed - after abortion, it isn’t much of a journey to kill anyone at any stage of life.


17 posted on 03/28/2008 5:42:51 PM PDT by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Maybe the islamists and Neo-Nazis over there can all kill each other.
18 posted on 03/28/2008 5:44:00 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: wagglebee

They just can’t kill enough people fast enough, can they?


19 posted on 03/28/2008 5:45:50 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. )
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To: 8mmMauser

Ping....


20 posted on 03/28/2008 5:49:52 PM PDT by TheSarce
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To: Grzegorz 246
Euthanasia Rules just damn....
21 posted on 03/28/2008 5:55:23 PM PDT by redreno
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To: Grzegorz 246
Nazi propaganda for their compulsory "euthanasia" program:

"This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the community 60,000 Reichsmark during his lifetime. Fellow Germans, that is your money, too."

...Maybe they could re-print these in French and Flemish.

Unfortunately the largest population of retards are in political office.

22 posted on 03/28/2008 5:59:00 PM PDT by AreaMan
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To: Grzegorz 246

Sick, sick EuroTrash on the way to well deserved extinction.

Allu Akbar, Belgium!


23 posted on 03/28/2008 5:59:02 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

The people refered to are terminally ill and CHOOSE to die. It’s far more ethical than abortion, where the unborn baby has no say.
Considering american abortion laws are even more liberal than they are in most European countries, I would say calling all belgians or europeans ‘demons’ or ‘eurotrash’ is a little hypocritical is it not?


24 posted on 03/28/2008 6:05:09 PM PDT by thundrey
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To: dynachrome
Yes, but remember, the Cardinal who is disagreeing with this law is starting a "polarizing" dialogue.

I guess if you think that killing young children is abhorrent, then you are "polarizing". Fine, I'm polarizing.

25 posted on 03/28/2008 6:10:34 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: thundrey
It’s far more ethical than abortion, where the unborn baby has no say.

Relatively speaking. Which I suppose is fine by those who practice moral relativism. And of course, only in theory, since in practice some of the euthanasia victims have no say.

26 posted on 03/28/2008 6:11:54 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. )
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To: Secret Agent Man

I guess my commentary was misunderstood. I didn’t mean to say that they should off themselves. It’s more that they are and even see themselves as a drain on society. It’s not so much my commentary as more that it’s their own sad view of themselves. These pharmaceuticals are turning people against themselves in a really sinister way.


27 posted on 03/28/2008 6:13:54 PM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Such an innovative idea that it could only have come from Europe. Sickening. Offering the most vulnerable in the population a permanent way out of a temporary problem. Socialized medicine will weed out the weak and infirm. These people and our own Left are sounding more and more like they want a more superior citizenry. Too scary for words.


28 posted on 03/28/2008 6:19:07 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: BykrBayb

God forbid that people should place their own value on their own lives. If I was costing a hundred grand a year to keep alive I’d definitely off myself.


29 posted on 03/28/2008 6:21:28 PM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Grzegorz 246

Okay, maybe I’m dense. But first, I reckon that your average teen is perfectly capable of offing himself or herself, by accident or on purpose, without any help from the public health system whatsoever. And second, it was my impression that Europe is having enough trouble staying populated as it is.


30 posted on 03/28/2008 6:28:03 PM PDT by RichInOC (...William Frank Buckley, Jr., November 24, 1925-February 27, 2008, R.I.P.)
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To: utherdoul
God forbid that people should place their own value on their own lives.

Well, duh! Did you think God promotes evil? Sheesh!

31 posted on 03/28/2008 6:30:18 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. )
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To: Grzegorz 246

Now they want to kill teenagers who are in psychological pain?? Um... I hate to tell them, but that’s kind of how most teenagers are most of the time, from what I can see and remember.


32 posted on 03/28/2008 6:31:55 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Grzegorz 246; All

Terri Schiavo, RIP.


33 posted on 03/28/2008 6:33:03 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: utherdoul
God forbid that people should place their own value on their own lives. If I was costing a hundred grand a year to keep alive I’d definitely off myself.

No, no, no No, monsieur. Laws are for other people, never for those fit to make the laws.

Elitism. It's everywhere.

34 posted on 03/28/2008 6:35:24 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: rarestia

Yes you are correct. It is critical to get people off the drugs that enhance their feelings of worthlessness and despair and suicidal tendencies.


35 posted on 03/28/2008 6:35:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: infantrywhooah

Before Hitler killed the Jews or the Gypsies or the Communists, he killed the terminally ill and the mentally challenged.

Now it begins again.


36 posted on 03/28/2008 6:36:12 PM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Obama)
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To: utherdoul

What 2 year old chooses to die?


37 posted on 03/28/2008 6:37:08 PM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Obama)
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To: thundrey
has pledged to bring forward new legislative proposals extending euthanasia to children and old people suffering from such severe dementia that they are unable to choose for themselves.

There is no choice. Only the illusion of choice.

38 posted on 03/28/2008 6:42:32 PM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Obama)
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To: Grzegorz 246

If a person’s future is hopeless and they don’t want to live any more, why do they need assistance? Why involve and burden the medical profession?


39 posted on 03/28/2008 8:36:46 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (Vote for the person at the primaries; vote for the party at the election.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Peter Singer must be serving as a consultant somewhere for these people.


40 posted on 03/28/2008 9:26:25 PM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: 3catsanadog

You think a 16 year old can make that decision wisely?


41 posted on 03/28/2008 9:30:29 PM PDT by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: MarMema

What about 6 month old ? This is already legal.


42 posted on 03/29/2008 3:59:00 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246; wagglebee; TheSarce
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


43 posted on 03/29/2008 4:28:11 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: AreaMan

Wow. Just wow at that propaganda you found and posted.


44 posted on 03/29/2008 4:39:26 AM PDT by Canedawg (No Che Hussein NObama, and the Hildebeast, too)
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To: rarestia; Grzegorz 246

All human problems can be eliminated by human extinction.

Brilliant method of responding to the human condition. A kind of idiot arithmetic, consisting solely of subtraction.


45 posted on 03/29/2008 5:32:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Pleased to be of service.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"I’d like to see all fetuses have a right to be born and then, once they are old enough, let them decide if they would like to continue living."

Old enough?

9?

19?

90?

Variable, depending on assessment by the State Board of Quality Control and Compassionate Niceness?

46 posted on 03/29/2008 5:36:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Pleased to be of service.)
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To: edcoil
"Just a guess here but God has to be done with Europe."

Not quite yet. Pope Benedict has a couple of cards up his sleeve.

47 posted on 03/29/2008 5:41:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He's XVI ~~ He's beautiful ~~ And he's mine.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
All human problems can be eliminated by human extinction.

If you believe that all human problems can be eliminated by pharmaceuticals, then you're essentially shoring up your own argument.

Have you ever seen someone who's so whacked out on Xanax that they can barely enunciate their words and have just enough energy to get from their bed to the toilet and back? I have a friend who's a "victim" of anxiety, and he's popping 3 - 5 Xanax a day. And his damn doctor continues to fill his scripts! 90 pills for a 30 day period... are you serious? You don't think that's excessive?

I'm not a proponent of his demise, but seriously... what sort of life is that to live? I tried to drag him out of the house to the gym with me, kayaking, bike rides on local trails, even GeoCaching... he just wanted to go home halfway through the experience for one reason or another.

As long as the medical establishment looks at curing the maladies of man with a pill as the answer, we're not getting any better as a society. I, too, suffer from anxiety, but I've learned that exercise, proper diet, a little spirituality and good, old fashioned positive thoughts keep me on even keel without the help of Big Pharma.

Don't mistake my commentary for idiot arithmetic. These people have to want to get better. Their want to die is their own problem. We shouldn't have to legislate for them to be allowed to off themselves, but we should bring more scientific scrutiny to an industry that may very well be turning the minds of these people into suicidal miasmas.

48 posted on 03/29/2008 5:44:22 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: utherdoul
"If I was costing a hundred grand a year to keep alive I’d definitely off myself."

But why would you "off" yourself?

Why wouldn't you just stop spending the hundred grand, and get youself into a simple decent place where you can live -- clean, fed, clothed, sheltered --- and a few chosen kin or dear ones can sit by, pray, open beers and trade wisecracks, until your well-and-truly natural death comes and claims you?

That would be the better option. Take my word for it.

49 posted on 03/29/2008 6:02:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (My contribution to reality-based argument.)
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To: 3catsanadog
Well, I agree with that part about "not burdening the medicdal profession."
50 posted on 03/29/2008 6:08:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (My contribution to reality-based argument.)
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