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Open letter regarding the Southern Baptist Global Warming "declaration"
xjcsa | March 12, 2008 | xjcsa

Posted on 03/28/2008 10:10:00 PM PDT by xjcsa

Several dozen leading members of the Southern Baptist Convention, including its current President and several past Presidents, recently released a "Declaration on the Environment and Climate Change." I attended Liberty University, a school affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention and specifically affiliated with Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Virginia. Both the church and the University were founded and led by Jerry Falwell until his death last May. The school and church are now led by Rev. Falwell's two sons: Jerry Falwell, Jr. is the Chancellor and President of Liberty University, and Jonathan Falwell is the senior pastor of the church.

Nobody directly affiliated with these ministries appears on the list of signatories to the Declaration. I thought it appropriate to send the ministries the following letter regarding the situation:

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Rev. Falwell-

I am a 1997 graduate of Liberty University living in my hometown of Cedar Falls, IA. I spent four great years at Liberty and was awarded a B.S. in Religion with a concentration in Youth Ministries. I enjoyed my time there, and I have a great deal of respect for you and your brother, and for the institutions which you lead. You guys seem to be doing a great job, and I commend you. I hope to be able to visit the campus one of these days to see all the changes.

I write with concern not for Liberty or TRBC specifically, but for the direction of the Southern Baptist Convention, with which Liberty and TRBC are affiliated. I thought it was a good move to join the SBC at the time it happened, but a recent event causes me great concern.

This week prominent members of the SBC - including several men I remember having heard speak at Liberty during my time there - signed a document titled "A Southern Baptist Declaration on the Environment and Climate Change." The document is mostly innocuous, but the following paragraph is a serious problem:

"Though the claims of science are neither infallible nor unanimous, they are substantial and cannot be dismissed out of hand on either scientific or theological grounds. Therefore, in the face of intense concern and guided by the biblical principle of creation stewardship, we resolve to engage this issue without any further lingering over the basic reality of the problem or our responsibility to address it. Humans must be proactive and take responsibility for our contributions to climate change—however great or small."

Here's my translation: "The debate on climate change is over. It's time to do whatever Al Gore and the Environmental Left say we should do."

The global warming movement is, in blunt terms, an evil, anti-human cult. Its aims are to impoverish developed nations and keep poor nations from improving their condition. And the "precautionary principle" which this "declaration" embraces is a deeply flawed and dangerous lens through which to view the world. It ignores the real - sometimes extreme - costs of the action advocated to "fix" the "problem," and serves as a mechanism to shut down discussion.

C.S. Lewis, in his excellent science fiction novel "That Hideous Strength," tells of a rather mad scientist who dreams of making the Earth look like the surface of the moon - so "clean", completely barren of organic life. The basis of organic life, as any Star Trek viewer knows, is carbon. The "mad scientist" essentially wanted to eliminate carbon. And now we see the scientific elites declaring war on nothing less than carbon - the basis of all life on earth.

If the SBC is truly embracing this "Declaration", then it is time for serious ministries to exit the Convention. If this is simply the views of a few, I urge you to enter the fight against the preposterous demonization of carbon dioxide and the embrace of an evil cult.

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks and God bless-

[xjcsa] LU Class of 1997


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I'm not big on vanities, but I thought this might be good for some discussion.

For reference, the "Declaration" in question is available here.

1 posted on 03/28/2008 10:10:08 PM PDT by xjcsa
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To: xjcsa
Good news, xjcsa. The 40 people who signed this statement speak for no one except for the 40 people who signed it. It has no bearing on Southern Baptists at large or any indivitual church. The major media amplified the statement and mistakenly portrayed it as representative of 16 million Southern Baptists.
2 posted on 03/28/2008 10:17:25 PM PDT by Johnstone
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To: Johnstone
Good news, xjcsa. The 40 people who signed this statement speak for no one except for the 40 people who signed it. It has no bearing on Southern Baptists at large or any indivitual church. The major media amplified the statement and mistakenly portrayed it as representative of 16 million Southern Baptists.

True enough. But it's sad that the President of the SBC jumped on board this crap. He's been backpedaling...sort of...but he says he still stands by the text of the Declaration.

Anyway this is one issue that I'm happy to go to war over any chance I get.

3 posted on 03/28/2008 10:20:06 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: xjcsa
Anyone who buys into global warming or climate change as they call it today is walking into a trap.

The soulution to the so called problem is to give up some of your freedom for "the greater good".

I suggest you read "1984" or "A Brave New World".

Get back to me when you have.

4 posted on 03/28/2008 10:22:42 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: xjcsa

Jerry Falwell is spinning in his grave. How did such a great man raise such pathetic nincompoops?


5 posted on 03/28/2008 10:23:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: xjcsa

The president has no authority to make statements on behalf of anyone other than himself. The messengers of the Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution on Global Warming in 2007. But even that resolution is not binding on any local church. Find the 2007 resolution here:

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=27583


6 posted on 03/28/2008 10:29:31 PM PDT by Johnstone
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To: xjcsa

The Vatican is heading down that road too. Eco-socialism, social “justice”, and other concepts continue to creep into mainline Christian denominations, with less room left for scripture and the concept of individual salvation. Schisms have been wrought by far less.


7 posted on 03/28/2008 10:30:41 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Lancey Howard
"Jerry Falwell is spinning in his grave. How did such a great man raise such pathetic nincompoops?

How indeed.

8 posted on 03/28/2008 10:32:18 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: xjcsa; Fiddlstix; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
 


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9 posted on 03/28/2008 10:32:31 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Lancey Howard

I guess we should look at the mother.

Ronald Reagan’s older two children were and are decent people.

Nancy’s spoiled brats, on the other hand...


10 posted on 03/28/2008 10:34:09 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Vote for The Huckster 2012- Who needs White House furniture, anyway?)
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To: Lancey Howard

Allow me to show you the SBC and its membership in four years:

1. As the pastor tells the congration of upper, middle and lower-class members that SUVs are hurting the environment...someone will look into the parking lot and find that 30 percent of the vehicles there...are SUVs. In Sunday school the next week...the topic will come up with wives and their husbands. Peer pressure won’t make them dump their vehicle but it will make their quit their church.

2. As the more wealthy members quit the church...the chief guy of each church managing the plate collections will report to the deacons that revenue is down...by every single church.

3. Deacons will ask why are collections are down, and discover that five percent of their church membership doesn’t attend anymore...the wealthy group and SUV owners. The Deacons will go to their house to “talk” them into returning...which the topic of environmentalism will come up. They won’t return.

4. Some members will then announce that using AC units is evil...using too much power...so they want the windows of the churches open...in July heat...and make everyone boil. This will take out another five percent of the membership who think this is stupid.

5. The topic of pledges will come up in Bible school...part of the handout program from the SBC. The middle-class folks will take some of this the wrong way...and trigger a 10-percent exodus from the church.

6. Several smart guys sitting out in a congregation....will quiz the minister...who is a divinity guy only...not a true scientist...over “facts”...making membership uneasy over questioning God’s word. Those smart guys...have got to go.

7. The folks who do the 14-day missionary runs to Peru...to make themselves feel good and burn tons of carbon...are going to be yanked around and told its evil to burn carbon like that...so no more church missionary trips to Peru or El Salvador or such. More membership to quit.

8. Finally...some folks will begin to take this all true to heart and question the yearly SBC ritual of a mass meeting where tons of carbon is burned to get them folks to some point. The SBC will decide to have only eight guys to meet somewhere....probably New Orleans...and just make decisions for everyone.

The true impact of this game...was devised a year or two ago...by the far left. They realized the impact on the Republican party by the SBC. This is a guaranteed vote column of at least thirty percent. Once they realized the near-idiot competency of the top ten divinity guys in charge of the SBC...they went after them. None of the leadership for the SBC has any knowledge of science, period. They weren’t taught science in divinity school and certainly know less than the average guy in their church.

Thats the tactic of this game....bring the SBC membership to half of what it is today. Make the Republicans lose a huge segment of their support. Course, in the other direction today...the democrats are finding this Obama election is triggering an exodus of unhappy black voters...so maybe this is all even in the end. Truly a mess...but an American-produced mess.


11 posted on 03/28/2008 10:39:09 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: blackbart.223

Well, one response would be that he was too fat to be spinning in his grave. He should have smoked for 40 years, but that would have been a sin.


13 posted on 03/28/2008 10:53:32 PM PDT by norge
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To: norge

delete double post.


14 posted on 03/28/2008 10:54:14 PM PDT by norge
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To: xjcsa

Xcellent letter. It IS a cult.


15 posted on 03/28/2008 10:55:23 PM PDT by pankot
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To: xjcsa
The global warming the leaders of the SBC need to be saving people from:

Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

16 posted on 03/28/2008 11:06:37 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: blackbart.223
I suggest you read "1984" or "A Brave New World".

Get back to me when you have.

I'm not sure if you read my post, but I'm on your side. Emphatically so.

17 posted on 03/28/2008 11:16:56 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: Lancey Howard
Jerry Falwell is spinning in his grave. How did such a great man raise such pathetic nincompoops?

Perhaps my introduction wasn't clear enough. The Falwell brothers did *not* sign this statement; my letter was commending them for *not* signing the statement and urging them to actively fight against the Warmist fools. As far as I can tell they're solid men, unlikely to be led into this kind of idiocy.

18 posted on 03/28/2008 11:19:24 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: blackbart.223
"Jerry Falwell is spinning in his grave. How did such a great man raise such pathetic nincompoops?

How indeed.

He didn't. They did *not* sign this garbage; sorry if my intro wasn't as clear as it could have been. His sons are good men, as was he.

19 posted on 03/28/2008 11:20:46 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: Politicalmom

Again, doing a bit of damage control here, since apparently I wasn’t as clear as I could have been. The Falwell brothers did *not* sign the Declaration. My letter was written to commend them for *not* being a part of the Warmist cult, and to encourage them to fight openly against the Warmists. They’re solid men, and their mother is a good woman. My letter was directed their way simply because they have been my main connection with the SBC.


20 posted on 03/28/2008 11:23:53 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: norge
Well, one response would be that he was too fat to be spinning in his grave. He should have smoked for 40 years, but that would have been a sin.

Apparently double-posting a complete asshat comment like yours is just fine.

21 posted on 03/28/2008 11:26:49 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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The idea of global warming gave Al Gore a reason to keep living. When Baptist churches get into this, having an SUV will be a sin. When smoking came under fire, suddenly smoking was a sin. Dancing was fun so that became a sin. Having a glass of wine was nice, so that became a sin.

This world, in its early days, was hot, so it cooled, then it got realy, realy, cold, then it warmed up; it’s going to keep doing it’s thing of warming and cooling no matter what the creatures on it do. My son, who is a documentary film maker who lives in London, spent three months on the ice pack near the north pole a couple of years ago and it’s still really, really, cold and really, really, frozen. He did not see Al Gore there.


22 posted on 03/28/2008 11:32:56 PM PDT by Marcella (Will work in my rose garden (with wine) and not listen to McCain.)
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To: xjcsa
The Falwell brothers did *not* sign this statement; my letter was commending them for *not* signing the statement and urging them to actively fight against the Warmist fools. As far as I can tell they're solid men, unlikely to be led into this kind of idiocy.

Thanks for the clarification. How long will it take the Falwells to vociforously denounce the "environmental" loons?

23 posted on 03/29/2008 12:12:22 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: xjcsa

“The global warming movement is, in blunt terms, an evil, anti-human cult. Its aims are to impoverish developed nations and keep poor nations from improving their condition. “

You are one person who thoroughly understands what Global Warming really is about.


24 posted on 03/29/2008 4:39:19 AM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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To: Marcella

I consider SUVs the dumbest vehicle ever to roll down the street, but I will fight to defend everyone’s right to own one.


25 posted on 03/29/2008 4:50:01 AM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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To: pepsionice

Boy, I think you got it right. You must be a long time member in good standing. If this happens, which denomination should we conservative SBCers jump to?


26 posted on 03/29/2008 6:25:24 AM PDT by Tampa Caver
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To: xjcsa
I'm really concerned that now that Dr. Rogers, Dr. Falwell and other's that brought the SBC back to their roots are gone, we are going to see a much more moderate leadership.

Hopefully, Dr. Land will help to keep the boat upright for a long time.

27 posted on 03/29/2008 7:07:46 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Tampa Caver

My devout SBC children are now visiting First Evangecial.


28 posted on 03/29/2008 7:14:33 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: xjcsa
The global warming movement is, in blunt terms, an evil, anti-human cult.

I agree with this guy. A lot of good people are being suckered by the lies and half truths about globalony warming. Fortunately more real scientists and climatologists are coming out now with the truth, but the MSM doesn't want us to hear them so they aren't being allowed on the Fox or CNN talking head shows or guesting on big time TV talk shows.

The head of NASA recently said that although the atmosphere is warming slightly it's not because of what man is doing to the atmosphere. He confirmed that the surface of the sun goes through periodic cycles of heating and cooling, and naturally those cycles affect Earth's atmosphere. Right now we are going through a relatively minor climate change, but the warming cycle may be reversed in a few years and a cooling cycle may begin. Within a few years the ecofreak alarmists who want us to go back to the stone age in order to stop global warming may be weeping and wailing and gnashing their teeth about global cooling.

Water vapor makes up 97% of all greenhouse gasses in earth's atmosphere, and man made CO2 makes up less than 1/10 of 1% of the other 3%. That's an almost insignificant amount by comparison with the amount of naturally occurring CO2. According to some climatologists whose articles I have read, nothing humans could do short of simultaneously exploding hundreds of nuclear bombs would bring about a significant change in our atmosphere's temperature. And that change would be to a much colder climate, not global warming, because for many months or years the sun's energy would be partially blocked from reaching the earth's surface by dense clouds of dust and smoke.

I'm not a scientist and I don't play one on TV, but common sense tells me to be extremely skeptical of near-hysterical claims that the almost infinitesimally small percentage of atmospheric CO2 made by man is causing a major climate change on earth.

29 posted on 03/29/2008 8:19:37 AM PDT by epow (Obama for President, in your heart you know he's the Wright's man for the job.)
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To: xjcsa

This declaration is totally congruent with Rev Wright’s declarations and both contribute to the destruction of Christianity and so are being vigorously reported by the MSM.


30 posted on 03/29/2008 8:21:56 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: xjcsa
He's been backpedaling...sort of...but he says he still stands by the text of the Declaration.

Some one who he trusts should get him straightened out on this globaloney nonsense, he has too much influence on Southern Baptist preachers and the 16 million SBC members to go on unknowingly spreading the global warming lies.

He has probably never heard the other side of the story. You know, the side that isn't hysterical and isn't lying though it's teeth about man's microscopically tiny role, if any, in atmospheric change.

31 posted on 03/29/2008 8:31:55 AM PDT by epow (Obama for President, in your heart you know he's the Wright's man for the job.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Thanks for the clarification. How long will it take the Falwells to vociforously denounce the "environmental" loons?

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if they've already done so, but I haven't heard anything. I don't live near their ministries anymore, so I don't always hear things immediately.

32 posted on 03/29/2008 8:49:18 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: Lancey Howard
Jerry Falwell is spinning in his grave. How did such a great man raise such pathetic nincompoops?

Unless I missed something in the article it's not Falwell son's who are endorsing the global warming crap, it's the heads of the Southern Baptist Convention of which the Thomas Road Church is a member. Their old Dad is probably shaking his head so fast his crown keeps falling off.

There are a great many very fine, Godly ministers and bible teachers serving in SBC churches and seminaries, but it's a top heavy organization and the people at the top are often out of sync with the political and social beliefs and opinions of the local church pastors and congregations.

I left the SBC and joined an evangelical, bible-believing, independent Baptist church over forty years ago, and I have never regretted it for a NY minute.

33 posted on 03/29/2008 8:51:12 AM PDT by epow (Obama for President, in your heart you know he's the Wright's man for the job.)
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To: RoadTest
I consider SUVs the dumbest vehicle ever to roll down the street, but I will fight to defend everyone’s right to own one.

You sound like me.

I have never understood the craze for SUVs, but if people who like them are willing to pay through the gijjywah in initial cost and high fuel costs to have them it's not my place to tell them they should know better than to follow the crowd into every fad that comes along.

What vehicle fad will be next after the SUV becomes old hat, a Peterbilt sleeper cab truck in every suburban garage? Or maybe a civilian version of an Abrams tank? That 120mm cannon and the .50 caliber BMG might come in handy when the freeway gets jammed up at rush hour. I wonder what the EPA mileage rating will be.

34 posted on 03/29/2008 9:16:04 AM PDT by epow (Obama for President, in your heart you know he's the Wright's man for the job.)
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To: pepsionice

“bring the SBC membership to half of what it is today. Make the Republicans lose a huge segment of their support”

Either the members that left join another church or start one of their own. That’s what Baptists excel at.

Don’t think this is going to affect Republican support, those that “defect” weren’t really Republican to begin with.


35 posted on 03/29/2008 4:25:27 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: swmobuffalo

Actually....the ones that defect from the SBC...are the “real” Republicans, and the Global Warmers that stay are the non-Republicans. You won’t recognize the SBC congregations in five years...they will be so ate up with saving the environment and reciting Bible verses as they do it.


36 posted on 03/29/2008 9:09:47 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Coldwater Creek

Off Ridgeway Circle?


37 posted on 03/30/2008 7:04:59 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: WKB; streetpreacher; Ottofire; marinamuffy; flynmudd; twonie; Peace4EarthNow; Nightshift; ...

Baptist ping


38 posted on 03/30/2008 7:07:32 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: xjcsa

Baptists speak only for themselves. The convention as whole has not endorsed this. Even if it did, it would not bind any individual churches, the state conventions or any Baptist.

Baptists will split over the preacher’s wife’s hairdo, so if the convention ever passed such a resolution, it would be halved within two weeks. And there wouldn’t be any of the nonsense our Episcopalian brothers are going through about who gets the church property, either.


39 posted on 03/30/2008 7:21:10 AM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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To: Sybeck1

Yep that the one!

One moved over to Germantown Baptist and the others are still at Bellevue.

Family get togethers are really strained these days.


40 posted on 03/30/2008 7:25:12 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek

Are you in Nashville, TN?


41 posted on 03/30/2008 7:28:00 AM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: Volunteer

Close to Memphis.


42 posted on 03/30/2008 7:41:24 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: xjcsa
Ronnie Floyd, Pastor of First Baptist Springdale (Springdale, AR)

Now there's a big surprise...

43 posted on 03/30/2008 10:22:13 AM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: xjcsa

Once again... Frank Page and I are on the opposite page...


44 posted on 03/30/2008 10:25:46 AM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: Coldwater Creek
I'm really concerned that now that Dr. Rogers, Dr. Falwell and other's that brought the SBC back to their roots are gone, we are going to see a much more moderate leadership.

Hopefully, Dr. Land will help to keep the boat upright for a long time.

Southern Baptists have rejected and been downright hostile to the conservative resurgence of Reformed theology within the SBC and now they are reaping the consequences of a man-centered seeker-friendly theology.

In 10-15 years, Warren will probably be President.

45 posted on 03/30/2008 10:34:18 AM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: Coldwater Creek

What’s the news regarding the Rogers family’s strained relationship with Gaines? What ever came of the deacon/Mid-America controversy?


46 posted on 03/30/2008 10:43:45 AM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: blackbart.223
Anyone who buys into global warming or climate change as they call it today is walking into a trap.

You mean like a certain Republican nominee?

47 posted on 03/30/2008 11:01:31 AM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: streetpreacher
The Rogers have moved their membership. I just heard a day or two ago, that there is NO relationship between them and Gaines.

I don't know about the deacon/Mid America thing. I don't think that Bellevue has pulled all of the financial support.

48 posted on 03/30/2008 2:24:02 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek

My father in law is a strident Bellevue member, in fact he has been down playing our church choices to my stepkids, and causing quite an uproar here on Sunday mornings. We live in Southaven and are attending First Baptist in Olive Branch. I won’t change my mind and go to Bellevue. One reason its not that close to home, and also with Dr. Rogers passing the church seems to have changed from what I am seeing.


49 posted on 03/30/2008 2:40:29 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: Sybeck1
We have a family member on staff, and if I said their name you would probably recognize it.

My husband passed away in July, and that person has yet to say one word of condolence to me.........

50 posted on 03/30/2008 2:43:48 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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