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Make U of I officials explain themselves on veterans program
Daily Herald (Chicago) ^ | 3/10/2008 | Chuck Goudie

Posted on 03/30/2008 5:58:43 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

"In a lawsuit Van der Hooning filed against the U of I, he claims top administrators of the business school indicated there were too many "jarheads" in the program. Van der Hooning says he was ordered to reduce MBA scholarships from 110 to 17, and told to concoct "technical reasons" to dump veterans from the program."

"In other words, he claims that the U of I ordered a cover-up."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailyherald.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: academia; jarheads; liberalmadrassas; professors; veterans; youpaidforthis
Don't ask about the salary or job description for upper echelon school administrators.
1 posted on 03/30/2008 5:58:43 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

>>claims top administrators of the business school indicated there were too many “jarheads” in the program. <<

First thought - so are the admins army or navy?
But rival services might say that - but not go so far as to cancel scholarships.


2 posted on 03/30/2008 6:06:34 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

My guess would be draft dodgers, at best.


3 posted on 03/30/2008 6:17:00 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: gondramB; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...
Too many jarheads in their MBA program ping

llinois Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn, a veterans' advocate and sponsor of the original U of I scholarship program, didn't find it funny.

Lt. Gov Quinn complained last November in a letter to university leaders.

"I am writing to express my continuing concern about the University of Illinois' Executive MBA program's treatment of our veterans," Quinn stated. "Since that promising beginning, I have been deeply disappointed by the University of Illinois' failure to fulfill its promise to our veterans. Instead of honoring our pledge to our veterans, the University of Illinois has cut back on its promise."

And now, the Illinois Court of Claims that heard Mr. Van der Hooning's case has ruled largely in his favor. The court last Friday upheld five of the six counts filed by the former dean, denying U of I's motion to dismiss his complaint.

The ruling by the claims court, which hears cases against state agencies, clears the way for Van der Hooning to take his case to the next venue. His lawyer, the famous Chicago patronage case attorney Michael Shakman, pledges to fight the university in circuit court. If a cover-up and retaliatory firing are proved there, it could result in punishment against the university and reinstatement of Van der Hooning's pay and position.

4 posted on 03/30/2008 6:17:37 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: gondramB

Sound to me like the dunderheads don’t even know who are called “jarheads” == it darned sure isn’t verterans of all services — that honorable title is reserved for Marines only.


5 posted on 03/30/2008 6:22:28 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (ounds to me like the dunderhaeds don't even know who the jarheads)
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To: freema
>>If a cover-up and retaliatory firing are proved there, it could result in punishment against the university and reinstatement of Van der Hooning's pay and position.<<

While the whistle blower must be protected they also must do something about the scholarships. It is unacceptable to see people who ave served their country singled out to deny education.

{army brat mode}
Besides, marines need all the education they can get.
{/army brat mode}
6 posted on 03/30/2008 6:24:20 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
"Lawmakers might want to invoke Springfield's great Latin motto, 'Quid pro quo,' by insisting that there won't be any more tax money for U of I if the university's leaders don't fully explain their decisions in the veterans scholarship program. And turn over all the files, e-mails and letters.

If the answers are not forthcoming, then a little Chicago Latin might be order.

'Bonus fortuna vobis quod equus vos rode una.' (Good luck to you and the horse you rode in on.)"

7 posted on 03/30/2008 6:27:23 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Wow. This is pretty big. The idea that the tenured leftists at our universities might be held to account is heady stuff.


8 posted on 03/30/2008 6:28:18 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Turret Gunner A20

>>Sound to me like the dunderheads don’t even know who are called “jarheads” == it darned sure isn’t verterans of all services — that honorable title is reserved for Marines only.<<

Not everybody is suited to be a soldier (and certainly not a marine). For example, I was raised in the army and I know I am suited for the military only in big war were we need everyone.

But everyone should at least appreciate that service.

We can’t (and should not try to) force appreciation. But we can damn sure insist they not use their government positions to discriminate against those who risk their lives to serve the country.


9 posted on 03/30/2008 6:28:37 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

This is why I will never join the Alumni Association.

That, and because $60,000 was enough for anyone.


10 posted on 03/30/2008 6:29:07 AM PDT by fzx12345 (ACLU DELENDA EST)
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To: fzx12345
Probably why 40 percent of the student population at University of Iowa is from Illinois...
11 posted on 03/30/2008 6:33:56 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

More tears that I shed for the U of I. Graduated in 1976 as a veteran with a “full-boat” veterans’ scholarship in the College of Commerce. Things have only gone really down hill since. But I knew that in the 1970’s that us Vets wouldn’t take too much cr*p from the lefty-loonies. Seems that the left doesn’t like to have opposing views.


12 posted on 03/30/2008 6:41:15 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
It is in Chicago paper. Is U of I Ill. or Iowa?

I strongly suspect a huge weeding of the garden of administration is in order.

vaudine

13 posted on 03/30/2008 6:46:19 AM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: marktwain
Wow. This is pretty big. The idea that the tenured leftists at our universities might be held to account is heady stuff.

I'll believe it when I see it -- not until.

14 posted on 03/30/2008 6:56:24 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (ounds to me like the dunderhaeds don't even know who the jarheads)
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To: marktwain
Wow. This is pretty big. The idea that the tenured leftists at our universities might be held to account is heady stuff.

The sad fact is that this a 'nothing' here in Illinois.

At one school the woman president gave to friends and family what she could steal for herself, then anouncet she was retiring and her PAY would continue for YEARS!

15 posted on 03/30/2008 6:57:15 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: gondramB
It is unacceptable to see people who ave served their country singled out to deny education.

I agree. Smells like a Land o'(bama) Lincoln discrimination lawsuit to me.

O'bamaHaybamabamabamaho & Reverent wRight mus' be out gathering crickets to go fishin' otherwise I'm sure we'd have heard from them by now.

(I tried to edumacate a couple of 'em and durned if they didn't join up anyhow! Maybe it's haireditarry? : )

16 posted on 03/30/2008 7:01:18 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: vaudine

The paper is a major suburban Chicago news outlet.
U of I is University of Illinois,

Only a remnant remains, the garden has been over run.


17 posted on 03/30/2008 7:04:36 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: gondramB

One of the facts I have always found fascinating ( and telling !) is how stupid these college Admin types show themselves to be when they open their mouths. Most of the time without engaging brain beforehand.


18 posted on 03/30/2008 7:07:35 AM PDT by junkman_106 (Once is chance, twice is coincidence, thrice is enemy action ---007/Ian Fleming)
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To: gondramB
Two things ~ this U of I is University of Illinois (just to make sure no mistakes are made). Secondly, why do I want to choke a leftwingtard U of I top level administrator?

I hate it when those pukes try to overwhelm me with such emotions.

19 posted on 03/30/2008 7:18:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: freema
. "Smells like a Land o'(bama) Lincoln discrimination lawsuit to me. "

It appears to me that Van der Hooning is using the 'jarhead' issue as a pretext to recover his old position.

It also appears that no one quoted in this article understands the word 'jarhead'.

20 posted on 03/30/2008 7:19:30 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

No problem... Cancel scholarships to veterans? Sure... Let’s cancel all federal funding to the school. Including student aid. I’m sure the college would do just fine with a student population measured in the hundreds, if that.

Mark


21 posted on 03/30/2008 7:22:35 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: DUMBGRUNT

We’ll see about Van der Hooning. I’m sure they don’t understand the word ; ) But one thing’s for sure. Everybody’s innocent until proven guilty....

except jarheads.


22 posted on 03/30/2008 7:35:34 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

That’s my alma mater. They weren’t a whole lot more welcoming to ROTC students in the 70’s.


23 posted on 03/30/2008 7:40:37 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: vaudine
It is obvious it is U of Ill. U of I, (Iowa) would never have allowed any service member on to their elite socialist campus, let alone have a jarhead in one of their prissy little MBA programs

Iowa farm boy.

75% of the Universities out to lose funding.... worthless beds of commie pinko figs

24 posted on 03/30/2008 7:41:58 AM PDT by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

bump


25 posted on 03/30/2008 7:44:50 AM PDT by VOA
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Academia-Exposed bump


26 posted on 03/30/2008 7:51:35 AM PDT by VOA
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Academia-Exposed bump


27 posted on 03/30/2008 7:53:09 AM PDT by VOA
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To: DUMBGRUNT
...there were too many "jarheads" in the program...

Yet liberals keep saying that the military is using our young men and women who aren't able to get into college, or not smart enough for further education, or are the "victimized" minorities who don't have any chances in life. They complain that military service is the last resort for them because they have no chances. They say these young people are given no opportunities. Yet, it is because of the military and the educational opportunities afforded to all members that we have so many "jarheads" in college! These liberals say that our government recruits these people and that educated people with opportunities and college educations do not join the military.

Now we have this University complaining that too many military students are MBA candidates! LOL Guess this proves the liberal whiners are stupidly wrong - again!

28 posted on 03/30/2008 8:41:58 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

HELP US JON KERY WE R STUK IN URBANA CHAMPANE AND CAN NOT GET INTO BIZNIS SKUL


29 posted on 03/30/2008 8:50:01 AM PDT by Erasmus (It takes branes to make an alternate universe.)
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To: CitizenM
These liberals say that our government recruits these people and that educated people with opportunities and college educations do not join the military.

I have not seen any numbers but I suspect the Vets are more successful in school then the typical incoming.

At my sons last Iraq homecoming (USMC Infantry) I met some of the guys who were now attending school. They said it was going well and many of their fellow students (non Vet) were not focussed on school.

30 posted on 03/30/2008 9:50:11 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
many of their fellow students (non Vet) were not focused on school.

I attended a local community college while active duty (retired now) and several of the professors stated the same thing. The active duty and vets were more driven to accomplish the course work with the highest possible grade (sans grading curve) than the other students.

-Traveler

31 posted on 03/30/2008 11:50:04 AM PDT by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Don't ask about the salary or job description for upper echelon school administrators.

Unless things have changed since I was at Screw of I, it's publicly available information. You could go to the library and request it, and be given a book listing what everyone, top to bottom, was paid.

It was pretty depressing reading, if you were a dead end peon with a lot of mouths to feed, like I was.

32 posted on 03/30/2008 12:06:19 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("dispensationalism -- the eschatology of the Pharisees")
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To: Lee N. Field

One Thousand dollars a day retirement!!!!

Illinois Loop: Salaries and Pensions

http://www.illinoisloop.org/salary.html

Catalani Gary T $380,227 CUSD 200
Bangser Henry S $356,500 NEW TRIER TWP HSD 203
Curley Mary M $321,149 HINSDALE CCSD 181
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Marks Linda R $316,874 GOLF ESD 67
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Six-Figure Public Servants

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Dr. Jacob Wilensky, a glaucoma expert - almost $242,000 a year pension.

former Illinois basketball coach Lou Henson - $250,000 a year pension.

Dr. Mahmood Mafee, a nueroradiologist - $265,000 a year pension.

Dr. Riad Barmada, a retired orthopedic surgery professor - $333,000 a year pension.

UIC Dr. Tapas K. Das Gupta, top pensioner in Illinois - currently being paid $358,000 a year.


33 posted on 03/30/2008 1:04:06 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: gondramB
"Besides, marines need all the education they can get."

-snicker-

34 posted on 03/30/2008 3:26:23 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
Seems that the left doesn’t like to have opposing views.


35 posted on 03/30/2008 7:05:21 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
From the article:

“...U of I announced two years ago that it was going to give out up to 110 full-ride master's degree scholarships for veterans...”

This means a number from 0 to 110.

“And now, the Illinois Court of Claims that heard Mr. Van der Hooning’s case has ruled largely in his favor. The court last Friday upheld five of the six counts filed by the former dean, denying U of I's motion to dismiss his complaint.”

This means that a judge found enough merit from a one-sided argument to have an actual court case for five of the six allegations.

This whole thing sounds like a man who accidentally gave out the maximum scholarships without talking with his supervisors about the budget or the appropriateness of his actions.

Additionally, Mr. van der Hooning is the only one who has stated such things about the others in the program. Their voices will be heard, apparently, in court.

This is a VERY ONE-SIDED story. I know two of the people involved, and I highly doubt this situation is nearly what van der Hooning has claimed or taken for himself in the press over the past year.

36 posted on 03/30/2008 10:44:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

Reply #20 from yesterday:

. “Smells like a Land o’(bama) Lincoln discrimination lawsuit to me. “

It appears to me that Van der Hooning is using the ‘jarhead’ issue as a pretext to recover his old position.

It also appears that no one quoted in this article understands the word ‘jarhead’.

20 posted on 03/30/2008 9:19:30 AM CDT by DUMBGRUNT


37 posted on 03/31/2008 7:11:29 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: freema

I’ll say this about Pat Quinn: He stands 100% behind the troops at every opportunity. If even half the elected Democrats were like this guy we’d have the war won by now.


38 posted on 03/31/2008 5:26:02 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

It appears so according to the USMC press release from two years ago. It was going great guns, then. http://www.allbusiness.com/government/3567850-1.html

Sounds like somebody screwed the pooch. Why would I think that racial profiling would have anything to do with this?
The problem was referred to President B. Joseph White, who apparently decided van der Hooning’s boss, Dean of the College of Business, Avijit Ghosh was the responsible party.
http://media.www.dailyillini.com/media/storage/paper736/news/2007/03/06/News/Investigative.Report.Mba.Admissions.Process.Questioned-2759535.shtml


39 posted on 03/31/2008 5:58:00 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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