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Mary And The Moslems(The Virgin Mother Mary & Islam)
catholicculture.org ^ | John Boland

Posted on 04/06/2008 6:51:05 PM PDT by kellynla

Editor's Note: Today over one billion persons — about one-sixth of the world's population — are followers of Islam, a religious movement, which began in the early seventh century. While found living virtually everywhere in the world, Muslims are concentrated in a belt of countries on both sides of the equator, stretching from Morocco to the Philippine Islands. These countries — notes historian Geoffrey Parrinder in World Religions: From Ancient History to the Present — "occupy territory of great historical and strategic significances, as they lie across the most important lines of trade and communications between the Old World and the New."

To Westerners, the beliefs and ways of the Moslems are mystifying and complicated — better to ignore than try to understand. Yet, more and more, what is happening in the Moslem world directly involves Western interests and concerns. Some examples: the late Ayatollah Khomeini and the U.S. hostages in Iran; the international furor over author Salman Rushdie's boring, but insulting Satanic Verses book, which forced Rushdie into hiding and a million-dollar Moslem assassination contract offer on his head; the Iraqi (97% Moslem population to 3% Christian) invasion of Kuwait (92% Moslem to 6% Christian); the Gulf War against Moslem Iraq involving the largest mobilization of U.S. military forces since WWII; and the megabillion-dollar B.C.C.I. banking scandal — entangling money-laundering for terrorists and drug kingpins — operating from (Moslem population 97%) Pakistan.

Certainly devout followers of the Moslem religious movement — the word Islam means, "surrender . . . commitment . . . submission" — can in no way be held responsible for the financial (B.C.C.I.) scandals or expansionist ambitions (Hussein's invasion of Kuwait) of such corrupt political and banking generals. No more so than the Catholic Church can be condemned over priests who give public scandal to teaching heresy; or the Bible dismissed because corrupt TV evangelists are found pocketing their congregations' alms.

At the same time, however, it must be remembered that Christian Europe was once nearly destroyed by Moslem invasions and — today — with the migration to Europe and the U.S. of vast numbers of Moslems, their influence on Western society is an important reality. The question: "Can Islam and Christianity find common ground to co-exist in the coming decades" is important and current; yet hardly new.

In 1952, the late Bishop Fulton Sheen devoted a chapter in his book The World's First Love (Garden City Books, Garden City, N.Y.) — entitled "Mary and the Moslems" — to this significant query. Following are Bishop Sheen's observations; more significant now perhaps than when written 49 years ago.

Mary And The Moslems

Moslemism is the only great post-Christian religion of the world. Because it had its origin in the seventh century under Mohammed, it was possible to unite, within it, some elements of Christianity and of Judaism, along with particular customs of Arabia. Moslemism takes the doctrine of the unity of God, His majesty and His creative power, and uses it, in part, as a basis for the reproduction of Christ, the Son of God. Misunderstanding the notion of the Trinity, Mohammed made Christ a prophet announcing Him just as to Christians, Isaiah and John the Baptist are prophets announcing Christ.

The Christian European West barely escaped destruction at the hands of the Moslems. At one point they were stopped near Tours and at another point, later on in time, outside the gates of Vienna. The Church throughout northern Africa was practically destroyed by Moslem power, and at the present hour, the Moslems are beginning to rise again.

If Moslemism is a heresy, as Hiliaire Belloc believes it to be, it is the only heresy that has never declined. Others have had a moment of vigor, then gone into doctrinal decay at the death of the leader, and finally evaporated in a vague social movement. Moslemism, on the contrary, has only had its first phase. There was never a time in which it declined, either in numbers, or in the devotion of its followers.

The missionary effort of the Church toward this group has been at least on the surface, a failure, for the Moslems are so far almost unconvertible. The reason is that for a follower of Mohammed to become a Christian is much like a Christian becoming a Jew. The Moslems believe that they have the final and definitive revelation of God to the world and that Christ was only a prophet announcing Mohammed, the last of God's real prophets.

At the present time, the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming a hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to by Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world power. Moslem writers say, "When the locust swarms darken countries, they bear on their wings these Arabic words: 'We are God's host, each of us has ninety-nine eggs, and if we had a hundred, we should lay waste the world, with all that is in it.'"

The problem is, how shall we prevent the hatching of the hundredth egg? It is our firm belief that the fears some entertain concerning the Moslems are not to be realized, but the Moslemism, instead, will eventually be converted to Christianity — and in a way that even some of our missionaries never suspect. It is our belief that this will happen not through the direct teachings of Christianity, but through a summoning of the Moslems to a veneration of the Mother of God. This is the line of argument:

Mary

The Koran, which is the Bible of the Moslems, has many passages concerning the Blessed Virgin. First of all, the Koran believes in her Immaculate Conception, and also, in her Virgin Birth. The third chapter of the Koran places the history of Mary's family in a genealogy, which goes back through Abraham, Noah, and Adam. When one compares the Koran's description of the birth of Mary with the apocryphal Gospel of the birth of Mary, one is tempted to believe that Mohammed very much depended upon the latter. Both books describe the old age and the definite sterility of the mother of Mary. When, however, she conceives, the mother of Mary is made to say in the Koran; "O Lord, I vow and consecrate to you what is already within me. Accept it from me."

When Mary is born, the mother says: "And I consecrate her with all of her posterity under thy protection, O Lord, against Satan!"

The Koran passes over Joseph in the life of Mary, but the Moslem tradition know his name and has some familiarity with him. In this tradition, Joseph is made to speak to Mary, who is a virgin. As he inquired how she conceived Jesus without a father, Mary answered: "Do you not know that God, when He created the wheat had no need of seed, and that God by His power made the trees grow without the help of rain? All that God had to do was to say, 'So be it, and it was done.'"

The Koran has also verses on the Annunciation, Visitation, and Nativity. Angels are pictured as accompanying the Blessed Mother and saying: "Oh, Mary, God has chosen you and purified you, and elected you above all the women of the earth." In the nineteenth chapter of the Koran there are 41 verses on Jesus and Mary. There is such a strong defense of the virginity of Mary here that the Koran, in the fourth book, attributed the condemnation of the Jews to their monstrous calumny against the Virgin Mary.

Fatima

Mary, then, is for the Moslems the true Sayyida, or Lady. The only possible serious rival to her in their creed would be Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed himself. But after the death of Fatima, Mohammed wrote: "Thou shalt be the most blessed of all the women in Paradise, after Mary." In a variant of the text, Fatima is made to say, "I surpass all the women, except Mary."

This brings us to our second point: namely, why the Blessed Mother, in the 20th century should have revealed herself in the significant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as "Our Lady of Fatima." Since nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as "Our Lady of Fatima" as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too.

Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus, the very place where our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.

The final evidence of the relationship of Fatima to the Moslems is the enthusiastic reception, which the Moslems in Africa and India and elsewhere gave to the Pilgrim statue of Our Lady of Fatima, as mentioned earlier. Moslems attended the church services in honor of Our Lady, they allowed religious processions and even prayers before their mosques; and in Mozambique the Moslems who were unconverted, began to be Christian as soon as the statue of Our Lady of Fatima was erected.

Missionaries

Missionaries in the future will, more and more, see that their apostolate among the Moslems will be successful in the measure that they preach Our Lady of Fatima. Mary is the advent of Christ, bringing Christ to the people before Christ Himself is born. In an apologetic endeavor, it is always best to start with that which people already accept. Because the Moslems have a devotion to Mary, our missionaries should be satisfied merely to expand and to develop that devotion, with the full realization that Our Blessed Lady will carry the Moslems the rest of the way to her divine Son. She is forever a "traitor," in the sense that she will not accept any devotion for herself, but will always bring anyone who is devoted to her to her divine Son. As those who lose devotion to her lose belief in the divinity of Christ, so those who intensify devotion to her gradually acquire that belief.

Many of our great missionaries in Africa have already broken down the bitter hatred and prejudices of the Moslems against the Christians through their acts of charity, their schools and hospitals. It now remains to use another approach, namely, that of taking the 41st chapter of the Koran and showing them that it was taken out of the Gospel of Luke, that Mary could not be, even in their own eyes, the most blessed of all the women of Heaven if she had not also borne One who was the Savior of the world. If Judith and Esther of the Old Testament were pre-figures of Mary, then it may well be that Fatima herself was a post-figure of Mary! The Moslems should be prepared to acknowledge that, if Fatima must give way in honor to the Blessed Mother, it is because she is different from all the other mothers of the world and that without Christ she would be nothing.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: conversion; islam; muslims; virginmary

1 posted on 04/06/2008 6:51:07 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses

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2 posted on 04/06/2008 6:51:43 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Blogging the Qur’an: Sura 19, “Mary”"

And for "fun":

Islam's not for me starring CAIR bears

3 posted on 04/06/2008 6:57:25 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: kellynla

I agree that Our Lady may be a powerful aid in converting Muslims, but the author’s idea that they are “unconvertible” is not correct. Islam is the only “religion” that has been spread entirely by violence and war and which hangs over the head of its followers like a sword ready to drop on them at any moment, and has the full power of the law and the state behind it (because it IS the law and the state). In other words, they’re afraid.

There are actually supposedly many Christian converts in Muslim countries, but they don’t dare to acknowledge it. I think the question of how we can free Muslims from that is a very difficult one. But I’m sure Our Lady can definitely help with it!


4 posted on 04/06/2008 7:09:26 PM PDT by livius
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To: kellynla
At the present time, the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming a hatred against Christianity itself.

If Jesus was sent to save human kind then Muhamed was used as a tool to eliminate the followers of christ. Until the catholic church admits this fact - that Islam was created to checkmate the existence of Jesus - we are all doomed.

5 posted on 04/06/2008 7:19:37 PM PDT by x_plus_one ("let them eat cake, drive small electric cars and take the bus")
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To: x_plus_one
Note how the muslims have already started their re-invasion of the Balkans attempting to create a Neo-Ottoman presence there. And considering it was America that enabled them it only makes it that much more sad. With regards to a painfully poor understanding of what Christians are up against, America has allowed Saudi money to drive American foreign policy.

Let America beware, Europe is being islamicized and your next.

6 posted on 04/06/2008 7:42:08 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython
"Let America beware, Europe is being islamicized and your next."

Let America beware, Europe is being islamicized and you're next.

7 posted on 04/06/2008 7:43:22 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: kellynla

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm

Muslims that saw this in Egypt will never forget it.


8 posted on 04/06/2008 7:52:15 PM PDT by badpacifist (They say your head can be a prison Then, these are just conjugal visits.)
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To: badpacifist

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/zeitun_en.rm

video of event


9 posted on 04/06/2008 7:56:13 PM PDT by badpacifist (They say your head can be a prison Then, these are just conjugal visits.)
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To: kellynla; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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10 posted on 04/06/2008 8:21:31 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: kellynla
In 1952, the late Bishop Fulton Sheen devoted a chapter in his book The World's First Love (Garden City Books, Garden City, N.Y.) — entitled "Mary and the Moslems" — to this significant query. Following are Bishop Sheen's observations; more significant now perhaps than when written 49 years ago.

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This brings us to our second point: namely, why the Blessed Mother, in the 20th century should have revealed herself in the significant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as "Our Lady of Fatima." Since nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as "Our Lady of Fatima" as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too.

Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus, the very place where our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.

The final evidence of the relationship of Fatima to the Moslems is the enthusiastic reception, which the Moslems in Africa and India and elsewhere gave to the Pilgrim statue of Our Lady of Fatima, as mentioned earlier. Moslems attended the church services in honor of Our Lady, they allowed religious processions and even prayers before their mosques; and in Mozambique the Moslems who were unconverted, began to be Christian as soon as the statue of Our Lady of Fatima was erected.

Very interesting that Bishop Sheen should have written this. Check out my 2007 post that reprints a Zenit news story in it's entirety, which reported on an Iranian television program claim that the Lady of Fatima wasn't Jesus' mother, but rather was the Prophet Mohammed's daughter.

11 posted on 04/06/2008 8:27:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: kellynla

btt


12 posted on 04/06/2008 8:34:49 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: kellynla
Not too many are familiar with Lepanto -- the story of hoe Mary saved Eurpoe through prayer from the Muslims.

Lepanto, 1571: The Battle That Saved Europe

Celebrating the Battle of Lepanto

Clash of civilizations: Battle of Lepanto revisited

Lepanto, Bertone e Battesimo, Oh My!

Lepanto Sunday

Our Lady of the Rosary of La Naval (A Mini-Lepanto in the Philippines)

Swiss Guards at the Battle of Lepanto, 7 October 1571

Battle of Lepanto

LEPANTO, 7 OCTOBER 1571: The Defense of Europe

Battle of Lepanto

Remember Lepanto!

The Battle of Lepanto

On This Day In History, The Battle of Lepanto

The Battle of Lepanto

Chesterton's Lepanto

The Miracle At Lepanto...

Lepanto

The Naval Battle of Lepanto

The Battle of Lepanto

Call to Prayer 12:00 EST 17 November: This Lepanto Moment [Read only]

A Call To Prayer: This Lepanto Moment[Read only]

13 posted on 04/06/2008 8:36:46 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

OOPS!

Not too many are familiar with Lepanto — the story of how Mary saved Eurpoe through prayer from the Muslims.


14 posted on 04/06/2008 8:38:08 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: montyspython

“Let America beware, Europe is being islamicized and you’re next.”

Unfu**ing believable that a country can predict its own demise as a nation and do nothing about it. Talking about a lamb being led to slaughter and not even protest. None of the candidates for POTUS even mentions it in any way. Even blowhards like Rush, Sean or Mark are mute on the subject.

And in the meantime, our brave men and women in uniform are expected to lay down their lives to defend this country. Wow, talking about loyalty and dedication to a country that does not reciprocate their fidelity.


15 posted on 04/06/2008 8:53:20 PM PDT by 353FMG (Vote for the Candidate who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: Alex Murphy

It is a foolish effort to believe that muslims will ever accept Jesus as divine or give any credence to His death by crucifixion or His resurrection.

Muslims believe that Mohammed was the last prophet. To “correct” the writings of Mohammed is to try to establish a “false” Islam.

The TRUE reform comes when muslims leave Islam to return to the Old and/or New Testament of the Judeo-Christian Bible as Jews or Christians depending on their acceptance of Jesus Christ.

And it is also foolish to marvel at the number of muslims in this world or to boast of the number of conversions TO Islam when many muslim nations prohibit muslims from being anything BUT a muslim. The religious identity (at least tabulated on a census) is not chosen, it is imposed by Islamic tyranny.

Sort of like how many atheists lived in the USSR.


16 posted on 04/06/2008 9:37:40 PM PDT by weegee (March 18th, 2008 Obama~"I did NOT listen to the sermons of that man, Jeremiah Wright...")
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To: kellynla
Missionaries in the future will, more and more, see that their apostolate among the Moslems will be successful in the measure that they preach Our Lady of Fatima.

I don't think so. Having "Christian" missionaries preaching a deity other than the Triune God of the Bible does not sound like Christian missions to me. Marian apparitions in particular carve out zones of weirdness in popular culture. At the risk of being branded a whiner and loser, let me predict that the course of future Muslim evangelism will center around Jesus, not around a peripheral figure.

Now is a good time to be learning Turkish, Farsi, and/or Arabic. If God the Father answers our prayers made in the name of Jesus the Son (not Mary the Mother) and acts through the Person of the Spirit to discredit Islam overnight (Hey, it happened with Soviet Communism!) -- may we be ready for the great harvest.

17 posted on 04/07/2008 1:31:47 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Winners and lovers shape the future. Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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To: livius

Well what took place a few weeks ago at St. Peter’s in Rome with the Pope baptizing a former Muslim is a start.


18 posted on 04/07/2008 2:34:12 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: kellynla

“the Koran believes in her Immaculate Conception, and also, in her Virgin Birth”

Nothing in The Bible about that. The Scripture does mention all of Mary and Joseph’s kids, though. (Matthew 13:55)


19 posted on 04/07/2008 4:50:54 AM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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To: RoadTest

The Perpetual Virginity of Blessed Mary
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3007.htm


20 posted on 04/07/2008 5:01:43 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Who are you going to believe - man or God?

There won’t be any Cardinals or Popes there when you stand before The Judge.


21 posted on 04/07/2008 7:30:11 AM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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To: RoadTest

Do you deny that Mary the Mother of Jesus was a virgin?
If so then you better brush up on your New Testament. LOL
Try these for starters: Matthew 1:18-23 and Luke 1:26-34

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22 posted on 04/07/2008 8:14:40 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

“Do you deny that Mary the Mother of Jesus was a virgin?”

No. I’m a believer. I didn’t word my original comment correctly. It should have said “Mary and Joseph had kids together after Mary bore Jesus by the fatherhood of the Holy Spirit, not Joseph.” Mary was certainly a virgin when Jesus was born but certainly not after all those other children, mentioned in Mattew 13:55


23 posted on 04/07/2008 3:06:10 PM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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To: RoadTest

Where, precisely, are Jesus’ brothers described as Mary’s sons? Why does St. John take charge of Mary at the Crucifixion if these numerous other brothers remain?


24 posted on 04/07/2008 4:22:18 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

Why precisely, does one suppose that Adonijah was condemned to death for asking for the hand of Abishag in marriage.

Why did Adonijah ask Bathsheba for Abishag’s hand, does one suppose?


25 posted on 04/07/2008 4:30:37 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

Sorry, that first part should be a question:

“Why precisely, does one suppose that Adonijah was condemned to death for asking for the hand of Abishag in marriage?”


26 posted on 04/07/2008 4:31:24 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

Final question: what koine word was used at the time of the Evangelists for “stepbrothers?”


27 posted on 04/07/2008 4:47:07 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: RoadTest
but certainly not after all those other children?"mentioned in Mattew 13:55

"the 'brothers of Jesus' are neither the sons of Mary, nor the brothers of Our Lord in the proper sense of the word, but they are His cousins or the more or less near relatives. [70] The Church insists that in His birth the Son of God did not lessen but consecrate the virginal integrity of His mother (Secret in Mass of Purification). The Fathers express themselves in similar language concerning this privilege of Mary. [71] http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm

The Perpetual Virginity of Blessed Mary http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3007.htm
28 posted on 04/07/2008 4:52:11 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I would just like to say that those who change the word of God are cursed. The men who wrote these things are in Hell. - Rev. 22:18


29 posted on 04/08/2008 3:49:43 AM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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To: RoadTest

“I would just like to say that those who change the word of God are cursed. The men who wrote these things are in Hell”

Judge not, lest you be judged...


30 posted on 04/08/2008 5:10:34 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

““I would just like to say that those who change the word of God are cursed. The men who wrote these things are in Hell”

Judge not, lest you be judged...”

I’m not cursing anyone. The Lord has already judged those men who twist and hack up the word of God. I’m just a reporter warning everyone not to do that, and to report what happens to those who do.

Jesus took my judgement for me, and I rest completely in Him who is The Word.


31 posted on 04/08/2008 7:16:39 AM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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To: RoadTest

You can dance around the issue all you like BUT

you said “The men who wrote these things are in Hell”

Now, I don’t know who you think you are but you’re in no position to be saying who is in hell and who isn’t. PERIOD

Class dismissed.

Now quit bothering me with your posts...


32 posted on 04/08/2008 7:58:12 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: RoadTest

I refuse to admit that the translators of the King James Version were condemned to hell simply for their simplistic translation of adelphoi.


33 posted on 04/08/2008 10:16:40 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

“I refuse to admit that the translators of the King James Version were condemned to hell simply for their simplistic translation of adelphoi.”

Be careful what you twist.


34 posted on 04/08/2008 12:49:48 PM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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To: RoadTest

Anyone who proof-texts from translations barely deserves a sidelong glance.


35 posted on 04/08/2008 3:10:29 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

“Anyone who proof-texts from translations barely deserves a sidelong glance.”

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. “ Psalm 12:6,7

God said this, being fully aware that paper would crumble away in less than a century. I believe the words of The Lord God who made Heaven and earth. Who do you believe?


36 posted on 04/09/2008 4:14:52 AM PDT by RoadTest ( None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies - Isaiah)
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To: kellynla
It is our belief that this will happen not through the direct teachings of Christianity, but through a summoning of the Moslems to a veneration of the Mother of God

For the longest time I though that the major world religions would unify through the charismatic movement; whose major tenant is tongues. Ignore all doctrine differences ... if you speak in tongues you are baptized by the Holy Spirit and that is enough common ground to unify. But I always wondered how the largest religion in the world (Muslim) would be assimilated into the world church.

It appears Catholics have found the common ground that could make this happen.

37 posted on 04/09/2008 8:00:21 PM PDT by dartuser ("If you torture the data long enough, it will confess, even to crimes it did not commit")
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To: dartuser

“It appears Catholics have found the common ground that could make this happen.”

Well, it remains to be seen and it’s gonna probably take a miracle from the Virgin Mary Herself to convert the Muslim terrorists. LOL

But I did find it interesting that there was & is such a special relationship between Muslims, the Koran & the Virgin Mary.


38 posted on 04/09/2008 8:07:35 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: RoadTest
Fine, but the words in question are: ἔτι αὐτοῦ λαλοῦντος τοῖς ὄχλοις ἰδοὺ ἡ μήτηρ καὶ οἱ ἀδελφοὶ αὐτοῦ εἱστήκεισαν ἔξω ζητοῦντες αὐτῷ λαλῆσαι. Not the words which the translators of the KJV imposed on the text.
39 posted on 04/10/2008 11:05:33 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: badpacifist

Recently, a car bomb was exploded in front of St. Mary’s Church in Zeitun.


40 posted on 10/01/2009 3:29:34 PM PDT by 353FMG
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