Army takes HK416s from special unit

Military.com ^ | 12 March 08 | Matthew Cox

[LSUfan]

Source is headline and link-only. Click here for full article

[BGHater]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZpZryZEiY4

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Bureaucrats exercising their power.

[maine-iac7]

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[Sender]

How stupid is this? The HK416 is demonstrably a better carbine and it is completely familiar to anyone who has used an M4. It’s just an improved M4. It’s not like they have some wierd, nonstandard rifle, it just doesn’t have the stupid direct gas tube problems. I can’t see any possible reason they can “require” the M4 after they have bought better weapons. Stupid, stupid, stupid. They should be replacing all the M4 uppers instead.

[xcamel]

Follow the Murtha money..

[tubebender]

I am awaiting your words of wisdom as displayed in your latest post to me...

[mad_as_he$$]

The military and especially the Army need to get the politics and infighting out of the rifle procurement process.

[Birdsbane]

“Follow the Murtha money..”

Yeah, trace that greasy money right back to the buttered palms...

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[mad_as_he$$]

I wonder if this is some kind of weird fallout from the Boeing tanker deal.

[ARE SOLE]

[Kenny Bunk]

Am I correct in assuming that the M4 and the HK416 use the same magazine basically the m16 magazine which fits NATO equipment.

If that's correct, the decision to take away this weapon is even more bizarre. It does need much less attention than the M4'

Also what is the timetable for the introduction of the new 6.8 MM Remington round, designed to improve the M16's longrange lethality. Does anyone know? If I interpret correctly, present rifles can be re-chambered for it without much problem. Anyone know?

[Eaker]

Did you see this?

[BGHater]

Barrett M468m has almost the same lower receiver, I think it has a different buffer assembly though. Not sure if it is gonna be incorporated into Big Army. Not compatible with NATO :(

[Yo-Yo]

This is the utmost in arrogance and stupidity on the part of somebody in the United States Army.

The HK416 works better than the M4 because it is piston operated rather than gas impinging operated. It uses the same magazines as the M4, and the HK146 upper can be mated to an M4 lower, thus converting our existing weapons economically.

These rifles are already bought and paid for. The only reason to remove them from service is because the Army doesn't want the world to find out how superior a gas piston operated weapon is to the gas impinging operated M4/M16.

The Army is also in the process of purchasing even more M4s without any competition.

The USA’s M4 Carbine Controversy

[LSUfan]

What is the story on the FN SCAR that SOCOM adopted?

[Aut Pax Aut Bellum]

What’s funny is Eugene Stoner, the designer of the M-16 (grandfather of the M4), later developed the Armalite 180, which incorporated the gas piston design, and a folding stock.Reliable as all heck, but the M-16 was in motion and committed to already, so it was brushed aside. Contracts are all about politics and money.

[Red_Devil 232]

beat me to it ... MONEY ... deep pockts .... filling empty pockets!

[Squantos]

Yep total BS , bean counters BS’d & bribed .......the H&K 416 is IMHO the best thing that has happened to the M16 family since it was introduced.. I have carried everything from the old XM177’s to the M4 when I retired and our company uses the HK416 now for a reason. They work. And we really really tried to make em fail, we hate new and improved with a passion thus a lot of the folks desire to pack M1A’s until we ran the 416 thru it’s paces. Good weapon albeit critics who have never carried one or relied on one seek to trash it........

The HK416 isn’t going anywhere IMO. This is a bump in that procurement road.

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