[thackney]

Another study to consider concerning ethanol's energy input/output ratio is from the main source pushing it. Our government.

From the Alternative Fuels and Advanced Vehicles Data Center, sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy, part of the Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Information Center they discuss the Energy Balance of Ethanol.

http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/fuels/ethanol_balance.html

Here you will find the following: Ethanol - The complete Energy Lifecycle Picture Brochure
http://www.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/program/ethanol_brochure_color.pdf

On the third page we find:
Total Btu Spent for One Btu Available at Fuel Pumps

You will see by their study more energy is put into creating the fuel, than the fuel contains itself.

This study was orignially created by Michael Wang, Ph.D. from the Center for Transportation Research/Argonne National Laboratory for the Corn Growers Association promoting ethanol.

Argonne expert addresses energy, environmental impacts of fuel ethanol
http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/News/2005/news050823.html

[KamperKen]

Thanks for the information and the links. I was surprised to see it came from a government agency.

[hubel458]

All fuel and food comes from the sun’s energy.
If Wang did a calculation(and it’s been done
by others) on the amount of energy gotten out of
oil, compared to what the sun put into plant and animal
tissues as well as the heat to decompose them and make
oil, they’d find a lot less btus gotten out, compared to
what went in to make oil. It is a strawman issue.
We don’t get the energy out of out steak, compared to
what sun put into it. Are we to stop eating.

Swiss- And the biggest share of that .5% ag bill is
food stamps and conservation payments, most of
which active farmers don’t get.

A word to the two campers/kampers whatever.
It is obvious you don’t know shit from shinola about
farms and the uses farm products are put to.
My post told the truth about some uses that farm
products are used for. And why do you complain about
oil being used in ethanol plants, which it isn’t,
and not complain about oil powering oil refineries.
And your letting the big money powers, one of whom
wrote this article stampede you into your silly
reactions knowing that the controversy you are
joining in with will drive up farm commodities more,
helping them and speculating friends. You are
being use das stooges...for their dirty work.....Ed