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To: Dan Evans

Were do you get wholesale price of gas that cheap.
My station guy only makes 15-20 cents gal.
Your mayh is stupid and has no reality to
the actual use of the ethanol/gas mixture.
And in the 10 % blend I burn, the cleaner burning
mix gives me an extra mile per gal in my V8s.
So the 70% of 1/10 of the mix is giving me gal with
135,000 BTUs instead of 140,000 BTUs for regular.
The loss everyone bitches about isn’t there.
It is another strawman issue put out by liars. The
cleaner burn gives little better mileage and less
emissions for cleaner air. Ed


148 posted on 04/18/2008 7:23:21 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: hubel458
Were do you get wholesale price of gas that cheap.

In Colorado and Oklahoma. But that was in January. I've found a better site with more current numbers. Nationwide the price in March was $2.71/gallon.

Here's a comparison of fuel mileage. Gasoline vs E85 ethanol. With 15% ethanol, there was only 82% of the mileage of gasoline. A test tells the story of ethanol vs. gasoline

Here's another from Consumer Reports:

The ethanol myth

"The fuel economy of the Tahoe dropped 27 percent when running on E85 compared with gasoline, from an already low 14 mpg overall to 10 mpg (rounded to the nearest mpg). This is the lowest fuel mileage we’ve gotten from any vehicle in recent years. With the retail pump price of E85 averaging $2.91 per gallon in August, according to the Oil Price Information Service, which tracks petroleum and other fuel prices, a 27 percent fuel-economy penalty means drivers would have paid an average of $3.99 for the energy equivalent of a gallon of gasoline. When we calculated the Tahoe’s driving range, we found that it decreased to about 300 miles on a full tank of E85 compared with about 440 on gasoline. So you have to fill up more often with E85.

"You could expect a similar decrease in gas mileage in any current FFV. That’s because ethanol has a lower energy content than gasoline: 75,670 British thermal units per gallon instead of 115,400, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. So you have to burn more fuel to generate the same amount of energy. In addition, FFV engines are designed to run more efficiently on gasoline. E85 fuel economy could approach that of gasoline if manufacturers optimized engines for that fuel."

So, according to these tests, fuel economy drops faster than you would expect using ethanol blended fuel.

Do you know of any studies (other than your own) showing improved mileage using ethanol blends?

152 posted on 04/19/2008 1:49:35 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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