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To: hubel458
Were do you get wholesale price of gas that cheap.

In Colorado and Oklahoma. But that was in January. I've found a better site with more current numbers. Nationwide the price in March was $2.71/gallon.

Here's a comparison of fuel mileage. Gasoline vs E85 ethanol. With 15% ethanol, there was only 82% of the mileage of gasoline. A test tells the story of ethanol vs. gasoline

Here's another from Consumer Reports:

The ethanol myth

"The fuel economy of the Tahoe dropped 27 percent when running on E85 compared with gasoline, from an already low 14 mpg overall to 10 mpg (rounded to the nearest mpg). This is the lowest fuel mileage we’ve gotten from any vehicle in recent years. With the retail pump price of E85 averaging $2.91 per gallon in August, according to the Oil Price Information Service, which tracks petroleum and other fuel prices, a 27 percent fuel-economy penalty means drivers would have paid an average of $3.99 for the energy equivalent of a gallon of gasoline. When we calculated the Tahoe’s driving range, we found that it decreased to about 300 miles on a full tank of E85 compared with about 440 on gasoline. So you have to fill up more often with E85.

"You could expect a similar decrease in gas mileage in any current FFV. That’s because ethanol has a lower energy content than gasoline: 75,670 British thermal units per gallon instead of 115,400, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. So you have to burn more fuel to generate the same amount of energy. In addition, FFV engines are designed to run more efficiently on gasoline. E85 fuel economy could approach that of gasoline if manufacturers optimized engines for that fuel."

So, according to these tests, fuel economy drops faster than you would expect using ethanol blended fuel.

Do you know of any studies (other than your own) showing improved mileage using ethanol blends?

152 posted on 04/19/2008 1:49:35 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans

Do you know what E85 is??????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????
Your making erroneous statements.
You know so damn much..... but it is all wrong.

Our V8s get an extra mile per gal with 10-15%
blend, because the whole mix burns cleaner.
If 10% of a blend is 75,000 btus and other
90% is 115,000 btus then the blended mix has
111,000 btus, so there isn’t a great loss of
btus in the mix and if as in our experiece you
get 6% better mileage due to the mix burning cleaner
putting out more energy, you’ve gained.

Back to question what is E85????
Folks get stampeded by so much they think they
know that is all wrong. What is E85...
Anybody here know. Or are you’aal just letting
speculators and BIG OIl snow you. And
That is what E85 is.......A snow job by BIG OIl
to hurt ethanol and by GM to be PC with stupid,
dunderhead, greenies...Ed Hubel.


157 posted on 04/19/2008 6:11:23 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: Dan Evans

I noticed that my VW GTI’s highway gas mileage dropped from roughly 31-32 mpg to 27-28 mpg when ethanol was introduced.

Roughly a 4 mpg dropped in efficiency. But then, it has a turbo-charger, so possibly the fact that ethanol burns cooler is having a beneficial side effect somewhere.


181 posted on 04/26/2008 12:49:14 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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