Warmer seas, over-fishing spell disaster for oceans: scientists

Terra Daily ^ | 04/11/2008 | Staff Writers

[cogitator]

I’d suggest you re-educate yourself by reading some of the articles here:

Thanks for the suggestion. It may be useful to some people to to reconfirm their misperceptions. I, on the other hand, don't need it.

FR’s biggest Al Gore supporter and Kool-Aid drinker

Name-calling and aspersion casting is a poor replacement for reasoned discourse. But I'm used to it. Do you think calling me names is going to do anything about the bluefin tuna?

[Don Corleone]

Lets see. No more fish. Bread too expensive ‘cause of ethanol.. we’re all doomed! Government..especially world government..hurry up and save us. BWAAAAAA!/sarc

[Tex Pete]

You mean the oceans aren’t dead?!

Ted Danson said they would be dead by 1998.

[Gator113]

I am convinced that all of the human race must soon die, or we are not going to survive.

[redstateconfidential]

Muahahah China will rake the oceans clean! The Lilliputians and Luddites in this country are crippling us. China has no problems like that, because 1)they don’t care,.2) All dissenters are carved up and sold for their organs!3) they don’t care.

[cogitator]

Government..especially world government..hurry up and save us.

The problem with most of the oceans is that once outside the 200-mile coastal zone, there is no governing authority. It's every ship for themselves. And poaching is a serious problem a lot of places that do have a legal authority, but not much money to spend on enforcement. So the alternative would have to be economic; tariffs, import bans, trade sanctions, etc. to get countries to police and control their own fleets and coasts.

[Boonie]

I have a fishing trip planned off Gulf Shores, AL next month...Does this mean I can’t go???

[avacado]

The atmosphere and the oceans have been in a decade long cooling trend. It’s that time... apparently.

[Ditto]

Name-calling and aspersion casting is a poor replacement for reasoned discourse.

Perhaps you could pass that comment on to Doc Hansen and his media hit men as well.

[secretagent]

The tragedy of the commons. Perhaps the solution lies in bidding out the right to fish up to legislated limits, with the proceeds funding enforcement. This might drive up the cost of seafood, albeit to its true market level.

[avacado]

"Post the SST anomaly maps again in July, so we can see how La Nina’s doing then."

SST anomaly maps are in respect to a certain period which is generally from 1960-1990 which was a cool period. That's called smoke and mirrors for the uninformed and easily duped.

[Exton1]

The salmon are not there because the Environmental Imams killed all hatchery salmon. Saying that they were not “natural.” So again the Environmentalist caused a problem where none existed before.

[17th Miss Regt]

There is a race to fish,

Oh, great! Now they are bringing race into this. Affirmative action for fishies, anyone?

[4woodenboats]

I was just about to post the same thing. The most amazing thing about that report is that the “scientists” think that maybe the heat is going down so deep they can’t find it....kinda like their - well, you know :)

[steelyourfaith]

 

Beam me to Planet Gore !

[Vio24]

"Either way, we are all gonna die and it is our fault."

No it isn't. It's George Bushes fault.

[4woodenboats]

Thanks for the suggestion. It may be useful to some people to to reconfirm their misperceptions. I, on the other hand, don't need it.

Geez, no wonder you get laughed at so much. Well, never one to abandon a FReeper in need, I'll give you a quick synopsis of what the 3000 scientific robots currently plying the worlds oceans have discovered in their attempt to map out the waters that have warmed the most ~ they couldn't find ANY oceans that have warmed at all, so the snooty as thou scientists concluded this is due to one of 2 things;

a)The scientists cannot read a thermometer, or;

b)The ocean's heat has changed course and is now going deep, deeper than the robots can dive, instead of the "old science" type of heat, which always rises!

Ain't that cool!

[cogitator]

SST anomaly maps are in respect to a certain period which is generally from 1960-1990 which was a cool period.

That's irrelevant right now. The current anomaly maps show large cool areas attributable to El Nino. There are, of course, currently related meteorological effects happening, too. When La Nina fades, the surface waters will warm up. Whether that's normal or higher than the base period temperatures, the oceans won't look nearly so cold then, because the surface waters will be considerably warmer.

[avacado]

Those SST anomalies are still gauged against the cool period of 1960s-1990s, so yes, an El Nino year will look even warmer. That’s is to be expected if meausred against a known cool period.

[RightWhale]

Why do you focus on the South China Sea in particular

It's an intensely political region where trouble is never more than a day away. China would like to gain the region but Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan, and some others have a problem with that. Might be oil, too. Pure dynamite.