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Supreme Court rules DUI does not count as violent felony
The Boston Herald ^ | April 16, 2008 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/16/2008 8:55:21 AM PDT by mowowie

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled today that convictions for drunken driving do not count as violent felonies for enhancing prison sentences.

The justices, by a 6-3 vote, said that even though great harm can result from drunken driving, it is different from other crimes that involve purposeful action. Justice Stephen Breyer wrote the majority opinion.

Larry Begay had three felony convictions for drunken driving in New Mexico. He pleaded guilty to possessing a gun, which is illegal after having been convicted of a felony.

The Armed Career Criminal Act makes defendants eligible for longer prison terms if they have three prior criminal convictions for crimes that are either violent felonies or serious drug offenses.

Justices Samuel Alito, David Souter and Clarence Thomas dissented.

The case is Begay v. U.S., 06-11543.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; dui; supremecourt
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1 posted on 04/16/2008 8:59:09 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: mowowie

Duh.

The fact that this was even a question is an example of how out-of-control MADD is.


2 posted on 04/16/2008 9:01:35 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

I didn’t even know OUI was a felony. Maybe after multiple convictions?


3 posted on 04/16/2008 9:03:30 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: MeanWestTexan

A well-deserved defeat for the alcohol nazis!


4 posted on 04/16/2008 9:05:59 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: mowowie

DUI in Kaleefornia can become a felony after a few convictions.


5 posted on 04/16/2008 9:06:07 AM PDT by Enterprise ((Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!))
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To: MeanWestTexan
Ditto!DUI is worse than aggravated assault or robbery in costs to the offender. It is totally disproportionate and unjust.

Mike

6 posted on 04/16/2008 9:06:50 AM PDT by MichaelP (The Big Picture IS important!)
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To: Frank_2001

Well, how about that, we see that Souter the liberal was on the same side as Alito and Thomas, 2 strong conservatives.

Yet Chief Justice Roberts and Scalia were on the same side as Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Breyer on this one.


7 posted on 04/16/2008 9:10:35 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: mowowie

I have mixed feelings about this ruling. Of course I agree MADD is out of control and ridiculous. But I have to ask, is it the job of the Supreme Court to decide what is “right” or whether or not what a legislative body does is unconstitutional. When I saw Alito and Thomas dissenting I had to think very hard about this... even though I am initially pleased with the ruling.


8 posted on 04/16/2008 9:11:19 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: MeanWestTexan

Bump that.


9 posted on 04/16/2008 9:13:42 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yes, it’s an interesting lineup, but this was a statutory interpretation case. That kind of case sometimes avoid the usual 5-4 split that appears in consttitutional cases. At any rate, I have my doubts about Souter’s motivations.


10 posted on 04/16/2008 9:20:13 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: mowowie

Some states have lowered the DUI level so low that one glass of wine at dinner could make a person guilty.


11 posted on 04/16/2008 9:23:49 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: mowowie

In a lot of states, repeated DUIs get you a felony rap. I don’t know if there’s anywhere that a single DUI is considered a felony, but MADD probably won’t rest until they ram that through all 50 states.

God knows drunk driving is one of the stupidest things you can do, and dangerous as hell. But sometimes MADD sounds more like the Women’s Christian Temperance Union...too much focus on the “drunk” and not enough on the “driving.”

}:-)4


12 posted on 04/16/2008 9:25:12 AM PDT by Moose4 (If you get robbed, raped, or killed in Durham County, NC today, thank a probation officer.)
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To: rhombus

I don’t understand how any kind of motor vehicle offense could be considered a “felony” unless the defendant has the right to a jury trial.


13 posted on 04/16/2008 9:25:36 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: mowowie
If DUI isn't a felony, but running over someone while driving drunk is, does that mean attempted armed robbery isn't a felony unless someone gets shot?

I was trying to be sarcastic but they seem related...

14 posted on 04/16/2008 9:29:36 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: Living Free in NH

The court did not say DUI could not be a “felony.”

The court said DUI could not be a “violent felony.”

Just like embezzlement is a felony, but not a violent felony.


15 posted on 04/16/2008 9:31:28 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (McCain is the best candidate of the Democrat party.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well the issue is not whether it should be considered a felony but whether or not anything in the Constitution prevents it from being a felony. What in the Constitution is violated by making this a felony?


16 posted on 04/16/2008 9:32:15 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Alberta's Child

I don’t think DUI should itself be illegal. Breaking a traffic law or getting in an accident is all that should be charged. If the drunk kills someone, then charge them with manslaughter. Cops can’t pull you over for because you don’t have a seatbelt on. The seatbelt infraction is tacked on if your stopped for a real moving violation. The same should apply to DUI. It should be tacked on in ADDITION to whatever other violation you committed.


17 posted on 04/16/2008 9:34:43 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: rhombus

No, that was not the issue.

The issue was, under the federal law at issue (regarding bumping up punishments), was DUI a “violent felony” or just a felony.


18 posted on 04/16/2008 9:35:23 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (McCain is the best candidate of the Democrat party.)
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To: Alberta's Child
I don’t understand how any kind of motor vehicle offense could be considered a “felony” unless the defendant has the right to a jury trial.

Traditionally, a felony is defined as an offense punishable by longer than one year imprisonment. The Constitution guarantees a right to a jury trial for all offenses punishable by more than six months in prison.

19 posted on 04/16/2008 9:35:23 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: TheThirdRuffian

No I’m even more confused. I’d better read the dissent by Thomas & Alito. Do you know what their reasoning was?


20 posted on 04/16/2008 9:36:44 AM PDT by rhombus
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