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Colt's Grip on Military Rifle Market Called Bad Deal
yahoo.com ^ | 4/20/2008 | RICHARD LARDNER

Posted on 04/20/2008 1:10:11 PM PDT by kellynla

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To: driftdiver
Theres an en episode of future weapons where the host demonstrates the HK416 at the companies range. They stuff it in a box of sand and then take it out, shake it off and shoot it full auto for about 30 rds. Then they stick it in a tub of water and do the same.

It probably does a better job at sealing its critical parts from the dirt than the M-4. Colt may be able to do minor design changes to the M-4 that could make it comparable to the HK416 at protecting it from the elements.

41 posted on 04/20/2008 3:59:58 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 300winmag

I’ve always wondered if a heavier caliber, perhaps in the .30 range, might not be a better investment.


42 posted on 04/20/2008 4:07:18 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Jack Black
So, no, it’s now way out of range in my opinion.

And what was the price of the firearms just fifteen years ago, before all the assault gun band BS. You could buy an m16 for about $350.00, to $400.00 and an AK style for 125.00 and an sks was about $89.00.. The good old politicians.

43 posted on 04/20/2008 4:10:42 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: mylife
At 16 lbs it aint fit for battle though

Damn shame

44 posted on 04/20/2008 4:12:29 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: clee1

I question the $1500 per rifle. I’ve spoken with folks who reported the base M16A1 cost under $200 a copy at government rates. Could be way off of course.


45 posted on 04/20/2008 4:13:03 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: org.whodat

Almost bought one. I still prolly will


46 posted on 04/20/2008 4:15:33 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: B4Ranch
Can the other companies match 800 new rifles per day? I would imagine that has something to do with why they were selected.

The better question is , why do we need 800 new one's a day?? Are they so bad that breakage is that high.

47 posted on 04/20/2008 4:15:43 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: mylife

http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/category.aspx?id=9


48 posted on 04/20/2008 4:22:20 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

cool gun porn


49 posted on 04/20/2008 4:23:26 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: org.whodat

Yup.. I like the Panther.

Its just heavy as hell


50 posted on 04/20/2008 4:23:39 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: kellynla
Colt "had not demonstrated any incentive to consider a price reduction," then-Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Sorenson, an Army acquisition official, wrote in a November 2006 report.

"General Sorenson has not demonstrated any incentive to consider a salary reduction" 2111USMC wrote in a April 20, 2008 post.

51 posted on 04/20/2008 4:27:44 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: driftdiver
I have alway wanted to opt for a heavier caliber. The 7.62x39 always appealed to me, I have a Ruger in this caliber, but I am an old fogy. We must move on and not be the last to cast the old aside
I am also worried that the Gumment might outlaw military calibers in lieu of another “assault weapons ban”
barbra ann
52 posted on 04/20/2008 4:38:40 PM PDT by barb-tex
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To: org.whodat

The economic system is designed to support a military/industrial complex. There is money in supplying armed forces. Always has been and always will be, so quit bitching and support the war.


53 posted on 04/20/2008 4:39:40 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Rope, Tree & Traitor; Some Assembly Required || Gun Control Means Never Having To Say I Missed You)
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To: driftdiver

30 plus caliber is designed to kill with one shot, below 30 caliber requires two or more rounds. If you want to kill your attackers, use something like a .308, if you only want to discourage them, use a .223.


54 posted on 04/20/2008 4:43:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Rope, Tree & Traitor; Some Assembly Required || Gun Control Means Never Having To Say I Missed You)
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To: B4Ranch

Colt is overpriced. You got a problem with oversight?


55 posted on 04/20/2008 4:46:47 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: B4Ranch

A great man, you probably never heard of told me not to do that, some say he was a five star general. But like I said you probably never heard of him since you know nothing of free speech as well.


56 posted on 04/20/2008 4:48:28 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: B4Ranch

The .223 made some sense where guys are truckin it thru the bush, I guess. That way they could carry a lot more ammo to piss people off.

I like the idea of putting someone down and out with one shot.


57 posted on 04/20/2008 4:50:06 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: B4Ranch

I gotta Tx made High Standard AR15 here. $750

Jap Hakko scope $125, Bipod? $25

Never jams, never miss.

Colt could do better


58 posted on 04/20/2008 4:51:24 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

“Colt is overpriced. You got a problem with oversight?”

At first glance a lot of government contracts appear over priced. They rarely are unless a Senator or ex General is involved in the procurement.

Many times the govt gives you only brief requirements which are changed a million times. And/Or they require extensive oversight which has to be included in the product or service price.

I was at one event a few weeks ago. The govt was requiring a full time person to be assigned prior to award and with no guarantee of award. Their opinion was this was a cost of doing business. So that persons cost gets built in to everyone elses price. If the contract isn’t won then its added to the next contract.

The amount of bureaucracy and numbers of people whose sole purpose was ‘manage’ procurement was astounding. They thrown a ton of this at procurement and expect it to be more efficient.


59 posted on 04/20/2008 4:59:09 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: mylife

“I gotta Tx made High Standard AR15 here”

I have a bushmaster and have had good luck with it. But then I’m not running around in the sand, mud, or salt water.


60 posted on 04/20/2008 5:01:33 PM PDT by driftdiver
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