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Ben Stein Exposes Richard Dawkins (Dawkins admits possibility of ID, Just Not God).
Townhall ^ | April 21, 2008 | Dinesh D'Souza

Posted on 04/21/2008 7:23:01 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: antiRepublicrat

Considering that Dawkins wrote a book called The God Delusion, you would think he would already have a pat answer to a simple question like that. I mean, his whole premise is that God does not exist, and he has certainly given thought to how that very first living cell came to be. I mean, that’s his whole schtick — disproving God.

I have to admit that he was not nearly as intimidating as I expected, having never seen or heard him before.


81 posted on 04/22/2008 3:35:24 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (<----- Typical White Person)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Moreover, the earth has been around for some 4.5 billion years and the first traces of life have already been found at some 3.5 billion years ago. This is just what we have discovered: it's quite possible that life existed on earth even earlier. What this means is that, within the scope of evolutionary time, life appeared on earth very quickly after the earth itself was formed."

Not so. Life could have come to Earth from elsewhere in the universe, either by accident or by intention.

By accident, life could have evolved over billions of years elsewhere in the universe, and then landed on Earth via a meteor or comet or some other natural delivery.

By intention, life on Earth could have been brought here by an intelligent species of aliens.

The article's assumption that life must have come into being on Earth is flawed. Therefore, the argument that there was such a short period of time for life to form by natural causes, and that therefore it's improbable that life formed by natural causes, is also flawed.
82 posted on 04/22/2008 3:44:18 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: Crush T Velour

Put it another way; neither God nor anybody else could create our present biosphere via evolution.


83 posted on 04/22/2008 4:20:59 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: SeekAndFind

the mystery is ended.

life was created by the first brilliant, all-knowing, light-giving, insightful, liberal, as he always existed. he decided to create the human animals around him and manipulate time so that it seems as if his animal creations were based upon evolution over “billions of years”.

if you ask liberals in congress, they will admit to being superior beings and quite capable of performing miracles.

they do have all the answers dontcha know.


84 posted on 04/22/2008 4:31:06 AM PDT by ripley
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To: haroldeveryman

haroldeveryman said:
The scientific method has saved humanity from starvation, has brought prosperity to the many and has allowed ordinary people to travel the world in almost perfect safety, and is on the verge of curing cancer. But due to political chicanery, science of late has been deemphasized in our schools. I’m all for religious discussion in schools. But it is anti-educational when a faith based theory is presented to kids in the guise of a “science.”

And what does having a belief in evolution have to do with any of the above?


85 posted on 04/22/2008 4:46:32 AM PDT by Ready2go (Isa 5:20 Destruction is certain for those who say that evil is good and good is evil;)
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To: StraightDave

And, who created the aliens? .......................
The same entity that created God? Humans are haunted by these questions, and they will continue to be haunted by them. Maybe the answer is there millions of years in our future and maybe not. Everything has a beginning some where.


86 posted on 04/22/2008 5:12:32 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( Clinton/Obama .. Obama/ Clinton ... Mc Cain/Obama .. Mc Cain/Clinton ... What a Choice!? Puleeeze!)
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To: Crush T Velour
I assure you he does. He has used me.

Point, game and match!

I love the literalists. Christ said, "I am the door." I guess He had hinges! I mean, he said it!

God doesn't mention atomic physics in the Bible, either, but I can turn on my light switch and light the room.

87 posted on 04/22/2008 5:23:31 AM PDT by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: joseph20
By accident, life could have evolved over billions of years elsewhere in the universe, and then landed on Earth via a meteor or comet or some other natural delivery.

Actually, it is worse than that.

Evolutionary Biology states that ALL life on Earth evolved from a single ancestor. This is argued for very compelling reasons. Yet, even though Earth is self-evidently hospitable to Life, and even though trillions of wet, protein-filled bags of lifeforms offer more environments for unique Life to originally occur, it has only happened once in 3.5 billion years (roughly one quarter the age of the Universe). Moving Life's origin to another planet does not solve the problem of its incidence here.

88 posted on 04/22/2008 5:26:50 AM PDT by Crush T Velour
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To: Ready2go
And what does having a belief in evolution have to do with any of the above?

The dogmatic belief in macro evolution as the origin of life is as much or more of a religion than anything else I've experienced. And, unfortunately, its adherents have succeeded in making it the state religion

89 posted on 04/22/2008 5:37:18 AM PDT by Spiff (http://jesuschrist.lds.org)
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To: dr_lew

The point was that he was incapable of explaining the origins of life and had to resort to “intelligent design” despite himself. It was a beautiful moment.


90 posted on 04/22/2008 5:56:38 AM PDT by I'm ALL Right!
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To: Hamilcar_Barca
"jaw dropping"

Not hardly. The modern panspermia movement began with Hoyle and Wickramasingh in the 70s.

The biologists had to wait on the physicists before they could develop Astrobiology.

Since NASA has been investigating cosmic life for quite a few years, how could it be jaw dropping?

91 posted on 04/22/2008 6:04:39 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: ChocChipCookie
I have to admit that he was not nearly as intimidating as I expected, having never seen or heard him before.

I've seen him before, and I'm generally not impressed. He chides religion for being dogmatic and full of hate and scorn, yet he's exactly the same.

92 posted on 04/22/2008 6:09:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Soliton

lol....ok.


93 posted on 04/22/2008 6:10:23 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: SeekAndFind

Who created the E.T.s?


94 posted on 04/22/2008 6:13:38 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: chuckles
Something cannot come from nothing without a Creator.

Which of course begs your question, "Where did that come from?"

95 posted on 04/22/2008 6:21:02 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Spiff

Amen Spiff;

And that’s the sad part...innocent kids are getting this garbage shoved down their throats.


96 posted on 04/22/2008 6:23:27 AM PDT by Ready2go (Isa 5:20 Destruction is certain for those who say that evil is good and good is evil;)
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To: fightinJAG

“Is the film suitable for kids?”

It depends on their interest and understanding of the evo-ID debate. If they’re not interested in the subject matter, boredom is a distinct possibility. On the other hand, if they’re interested in the debate, I would not hesitate to bring them.

Certainly, there’s no profanity/sex/violence. There’s one part where Ben Stein explores how the Nazi regime gassed and cremated their victims. He visits a museum showing the gas showers and sits in a concentration camp, but the atrocities otherwise described using only words. I have three kids myself, and my philosophy was to teach them about historical atrocities- so they know.


97 posted on 04/22/2008 7:17:22 AM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: count-your-change

I heard audible gasps in the theater when Dawkins went on his anti-God rant.

I think people were prepared for his belief in evolution, but were shocked to hear his utter contempt towards believers.


98 posted on 04/22/2008 7:26:54 AM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: keats5
I think people were prepared for his belief in evolution, but were shocked to hear his utter contempt towards believers.

Do you think any of them changed their minds about evolution because of Dawkin's personal sentiments about religion?

99 posted on 04/22/2008 7:30:56 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Bellflower
Life is so amazingly and utterly complex and almost and even possibly nearly infatestimally minute in it's organizational levels that this "alien" would have to be God in order to perform it.

There are whole shelves of books on the evolution of complexity. My favorite is: The Evolution of Complexity, by Means of Natural Selection by John Tyler Bonner

It is wonderfully detailed and footnoted. You might want to read it. It's a lot more than ID's one sentence body of work "It's complex so it must have a designer!".

100 posted on 04/22/2008 7:40:39 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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