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Scientist: Forget Global Warming, Prepare For New Ice Age
FOX ^ | 04/23/08 | Unknown

Posted on 04/23/2008 11:26:35 AM PDT by Froufrou

Sunspot activity has not resumed up after hitting an 11-year low in March last year, raising fears that — far from warming — the globe is about to return to an Ice Age, says an Australian-American scientist.

Physicist Phil Chapman, the first native-born Australian to become an astronaut with NASA [he became an American citizen to join up, though he never went into space], said pictures from the U.S. Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) showed no spots on the sun.

He said the world cooled quickly between January last year and January this year, by about 0.7 degrees Centigrade.

"This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record, and it puts us back to where we were in 1930," Chapman wrote in The Australian Wednesday. "If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over."

Critics quickly pointed out that Chapman may have been "cherry-picking" the data. A strong La Nina formation in the Pacific pushed down January temperatures over much of the Northern Hemisphere from where they had been a year earlier, but average global temperatures are still much higher than the 20th-century average, and the NOAA said last week that last month was the warmest March on record.]

The Bureau of Meteorology says temperatures in Australia have been warmer than the 1960-90 average since the late 1970s, barring a couple of cooler years, and are now 0.3 degrees Centigrade higher than the long-term average.

A sunspot is a region on the sun that is cooler than the rest and appears dark.

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KEYWORDS: globalwarming; iceage; nasa; sunspots
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1 posted on 04/23/2008 11:26:35 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 04/23/2008 11:28:21 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Froufrou

Headline: Bush Solves Global Warming!!!!


3 posted on 04/23/2008 11:28:48 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Froufrou
barring a couple of cooler years

so were they counted ?
4 posted on 04/23/2008 11:29:55 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: steelyourfaith; Always Right

AR, you KNOW it will have to be a DEM to solve what a DEM invented!


5 posted on 04/23/2008 11:30:33 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
The hot air from Al is fading!!!!!!

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6 posted on 04/23/2008 11:30:47 AM PDT by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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To: Froufrou

“If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.”

Like when you give a party and nobody comes.


7 posted on 04/23/2008 11:31:58 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Froufrou
"...temperatures in Australia have been warmer than the 1960-90 average..."

How convenient and brave of them. They measure against a known cool period.

8 posted on 04/23/2008 11:32:02 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Always Right

Just pump out more CO2 and we’ll be fine...

Oh! What? All of a sudden CO2 DOESN’T raise temperatures?

Funny that...


9 posted on 04/23/2008 11:33:18 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: steelyourfaith

what is striking is how much of history most of Europe & North America have been covered by glaciers versus warm & livable for just a small amount of history.


10 posted on 04/23/2008 11:33:28 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: Froufrou
The Bureau of Meteorology says temperatures in Australia have been warmer than the 1960-90 average since the late 1970s, barring a couple of cooler years, and are now 0.3 degrees Centigrade higher than the long-term average.

You get to bar a couple cooler years when figuring the average ? I thought the average, by definition, includes everything. Who's cheery-picking the data ?

11 posted on 04/23/2008 11:33:39 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Froufrou

Does this mean that we can expect Gore to alert us of the impending Global Cooling, and the Nobel Committee to award him another Peace Prize?


12 posted on 04/23/2008 11:34:16 AM PDT by 353FMG (Don't make the mistake to think that Government is a Friend of the People)
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To: Froufrou
Critics quickly pointed out that Chapman may have been "cherry-picking" the data

Projecting their biasis.

13 posted on 04/23/2008 11:34:27 AM PDT by AU72
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To: stylin19a

I wonder if we can trade our warming “credits” in on cooling “credits”.


14 posted on 04/23/2008 11:34:31 AM PDT by doosee
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To: EggsAckley; avacado; geo40xyz; JRios1968; martin_fierro; Hegemony Cricket

Or when you have an election and nobody votes!

Ping to realityville!


15 posted on 04/23/2008 11:35:16 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

I liked it a lot better before there was incessant worrying about things that we can’t do a damn thing about.


16 posted on 04/23/2008 11:35:37 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Froufrou
are now 0.3 degrees Centigrade higher than the long-term average. <>i>

.3 degrees centigrade higher ? is this right ?
17 posted on 04/23/2008 11:36:12 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: 353FMG; AU72; Red Boots

Cherry picking shouldn’t be a problem; they do well in the Washington snow, anyway...

If we dissect whatever that theory is about parallel universes, then it makes sense we’d go back through another ice age before going way, way back to the firy swamp inferno we were before the [if you believe it] the nonGore theory of big bang...


18 posted on 04/23/2008 11:38:10 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

I’ve been telling you guys the earth is going to freeze. The warmers want to pull off their scam before nature shows them up for the lying kooks they are.


19 posted on 04/23/2008 11:39:03 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Froufrou
You mean that you don't believe the MSM?:-()

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20 posted on 04/23/2008 11:39:44 AM PDT by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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To: Froufrou

21 posted on 04/23/2008 11:42:05 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: stylin19a
It is amazing how poorly written these articles are. I am open minded about anthropomorphic global warming (I neither believe nor disbelieve) and I'm always looking for good information. This article makes no sense, like most articles on global warming. It seems like everyone cherry picks the data and often can't even agree on the data.
I think most journalists didn't take either math or science ion college.
22 posted on 04/23/2008 11:42:33 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: stylin19a; pallis; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

I think 0.3 is right. I copied it and pasted it right from the ar-tickle.

And no, I don’t believe the MSM. I truly think television was a means by which to anesthetize the country into a dull lull.

For the most part, it’s worked. I didn’t wake up until 2004.


23 posted on 04/23/2008 11:42:45 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: 353FMG
Does this mean that we can expect Gore to alert us of the impending Global Cooling, and the Nobel Committee to award him another Peace Prize?

I wouldn't be shocked if they did exactly that. The committee has constructed no boundaries for their stupidity. The prize to Gore confirms that.
24 posted on 04/23/2008 11:44:14 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: Wil H

It’s demonstrative of the left’s motives that no matter what the “crisis”, the “solution” is always the same - global socialism, less individual freedom, and more control over our lives.


25 posted on 04/23/2008 11:44:15 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Always Right

What was the cause of the spike in 1998?

Blue dress??? [/rotflmao] “hadCRUT” - bwahahahahaha


26 posted on 04/23/2008 11:44:50 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Now i’m confused...am I supposed to get ready for 1)burning up 2)freezing to death 3)a nuclear attack 4)starving to death....


27 posted on 04/23/2008 11:44:55 AM PDT by SAMS ("I may look harmless, but I raised a U.S. MARINE!" Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: doosee
I wonder if we can trade our warming “credits” in on cooling “credits”.

Yes, they're fully convertible, for a small fee of course.

28 posted on 04/23/2008 11:45:13 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Wil H
This chart has been around for awhile:-()

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http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html

29 posted on 04/23/2008 11:47:40 AM PDT by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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To: stylin19a

The truly long-term average of temperature on Earth is ~10 degrees C above the current temp. That’s what it has been for the majority of life on Earth.


30 posted on 04/23/2008 11:51:48 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: SAMS; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Yes.

We’re all gonna die...the sky is falling...!!!


31 posted on 04/23/2008 11:53:23 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
oh, I'm not questioning your posting.
maybe I did the conversion wrong.
Anybody whose good at this stuff, what, in Fahrenheit, is .03 Centigrade.(or do they mean Celsius ?)
32 posted on 04/23/2008 11:53:45 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: stylin19a

Probably Celsius and I forgot the conversion a long time ago...0 degrees C = 32 Farenheit, or the other way around???


33 posted on 04/23/2008 11:55:10 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: don'tbedenied
I am open minded about anthropomorphic global warming

What? The movement is NOT about seeking truth or solving any problems. The AGW movement is solely about imposing Stalinist controls and wrecking our way of life, our capitalist system. Gore, et.al. are in it to steal vast sums of wealth from the taxpayers.

if you think for one second this movement is based on science, you are sadly mistaken. This movement is pure evil at it's core. This movement will result in the needless death of hundreds of millions of fellow humans -- for no damn reason.

Those who push these evil AGW solutions or no less evil than Stalin, Hitler and Mao. They don't care if millions should die because of their beliefs.

True justice will occur when the citizens around the world hunt down these evil men and all who support them with the same determination exercised in defeating Hitler.

34 posted on 04/23/2008 11:59:00 AM PDT by sand88
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To: Froufrou

TEN THINGS YOU CAN DO TO SAVE THE PLANET:

10.Always double-bag
9.Drink more beer—just the plastic 6-pack ring alone uses the energy equivalent of a muscle car
8.Buy stuff from China, the world’s #1 polluter
7.Do not, repeat do not plant any trees—one tree captures the carbon output of the average American for entire lifetime
6.Throw away those bicycles, plastic helmets and form-fitted outfits. Not only will you save the planet, you won’t look like a Euro-weany.
5.Single-use batteries; they cost more, but the Earth is at stake
4.Send in your tax returns by mail.
3.Use a big toilet bowl reservoir, or at least double flush.
2.Eat beans
1.BUY AN SUV!!!


35 posted on 04/23/2008 11:59:29 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Froufrou
"If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over."

Awe! No! The Dems will be so disappointed! They love global warming.

36 posted on 04/23/2008 12:17:20 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: sand88

I’m open minded about anthropological global warming not the Al Gore led movement. The movement is reprehensible and irresponsible.


37 posted on 04/23/2008 12:25:23 PM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: Froufrou

I doubt there’s anything to the cosmic ray / cloud formation theory, but I thought one of the “little ice ages” a few hundred years ago was associated with a late solar cycle start like we’re seeing now. It would be incredibly ironic if right after so many have trumpeted the “certitude” of global warming the Earth went into a significant cooling trend.

Atmospheric CO2 concentrations are high, but all that’s needed is a sensible approach including lots of nuclear power. There’s no need for economy-killing measures. What would be good, is if the government would get some common sense and enable energy exploration and exploitation again off our coasts and in Alaska.


38 posted on 04/23/2008 12:32:45 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: geo40xyz

Quite an interesting set of charts.

They are proof positive that not only does colder denser air contain more oxygen by volume than hotter air, but that it also contains more CO2.

Science is truly amazing.


39 posted on 04/23/2008 12:44:36 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: geo40xyz
This chart has been around for awhile:-()

Proving exactly nothing. The resolution is too poor. When you look at small time scales, temperature precedes warming. You can still see it on an overlay, as I've done below but it's difficult because over 400000 years the difference of a few hundred years is a pixel or two.

40 posted on 04/23/2008 12:53:43 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: Malsua

I said “Temperature precedes warming” I meant “Temperature changes precede changes in CO2”


41 posted on 04/23/2008 12:54:48 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: PreciousLiberty
I doubt there’s anything to the cosmic ray / cloud formation theory, but I thought one of the “little ice ages” a few hundred years ago was associated with a late solar cycle start like we’re seeing now.

If you have time, pickup a copy of The Chilling Stars. It is quite fascinating. It discusses the cosmic ray/cloud theory. I bought a used copy b/c the new edition is coming out this August. It is an excellent read, quite an eye opener. It really helps highlight how Climate is much more complex than we realize. It only makes you have more contempt for those who say, "the science is settled."

42 posted on 04/23/2008 2:07:10 PM PDT by sand88
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To: PreciousLiberty

Here is a link on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Chilling-Stars-Theory-Climate-Change/dp/1840468157/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208984283&sr=8-1


43 posted on 04/23/2008 2:08:32 PM PDT by sand88
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To: don'tbedenied; PreciousLiberty; sand88
This article makes no sense, like most articles on global warming.

Maybe I can add a little clarity (at least, so far as my limited understanding of the solar theory is concerned)...

For 200 years people have noticed a connection between sunspot activity and temperature, though no one knew the reason. It was 200 years ago that the "King's Astronomer," William Herschel noted that wheat prices were higher when sunspot activity was lower (LINK). Lacking temperature measurement instrumentation, he was saying that fewer sunspots meant colder weather, leading to less wheat production, and higher prices. Everyone made fun of the guy and the scientific community's been afraid to make too much of sunspots ever since.

In the mid-1970s, Jack Eddy published a paper in Science about the correlation of sunspot activity with temperature and dug into history (LINK). He was the first person to coin the phrase "Maunder Minimum," which was a period of low sunspot activity during the Little Ice Age.

There appeared to be correlation, but no one knew why or how. The direct solar energy from the sun's brightness didn't vary enough to make much of a difference on temperature and no one could say about the indirect effect. The IPCC's assessment report showed that indirect effects from the sun could make things a lot warmer or a lot cooler. In short, the effect was "unknown."

So along come some Danish physicists and they note that there are more clouds when sunspot activity is low and vice versa (LINK and LINK). They postulate that a magnetically active sun blankets the earth with a magnetic solar wind that blocks cosmic rays. A magnetically quiet sun (i.e., a sun that doesn't display sufficient activity to support much sunspot formation) does not blanket the earth with solar wind, allowing cosmic rays to hit the planet, stimulating low level cloud formation. The clouds are reflective, so cooler temperatures are present.

Up to the point of cloud formation, none of this was in much dispute. Scientists have known about the relationship between solar activity and cosmic rays since the early 1960s (LINK). However, there was dispute about the ability of cosmic rays to generate low level clouds. The solar theory is unsurprisingly attacked by supporters of the Anthropogenic Global Warming theory (e.g., Hansen) who tend to talk about direct energy from the sun, which is a different subject, and claim it doesn't vary enough. Or, they deny the link between cosmic radiation and low level cloud formation.

To prove the link, Henrik Svensmark built a cloud chamber and replicated atmospheric chemistry and conditions. He showed how cosmic rays cause low level clouds to form (LINK).

"But that's not as good as my formulas and equations," screamed Hansen in the middle of a tantrum, "which you can't see because you'll just try to pick them apart. It's not as good as my computer models."

Okay, Hansen didn't say that, though he does have tantrums in the media about how Bush censors him (we all wish!) and doesn't like to share his algorithms. At least, he doesn't like to share algorithms with Canadian statisticians who tend to find sloppy mistakes that result in wholesale distortions of the temperature record, but that's another story.

Back to sunspots and solar cycles. So the Danes show that solar activity can impact terrestial cloud formation. I can't place it, but I also read where someone did a study of paintings from the time of the Maunder Minimum and Medieval Warm Period and found that the Maunder paintings were characterized by lots of clouds and grey skies, while the MWP paintings had blue skies.

The Danes' work is pretty significant. If the theory holds, it blows apart the multi-billion global warming industry, Gore's chances to make another hundred million dollars selling carbon credits to the descendants of W.C. Fields' customers, Hansen's chances to get more grant money, foundation gifts, and invitations to swanky political dinners, and the U.N.'s dream of global taxation and control.

How will we know? Wait a few years.

Sunspots help us recognize solar cycles, which last 11 years, more or less. When the sun is active, it supports the formation of lots of sunspots. When it's quiet, it does not.

The length of the solar cycle appears to have an impact on solar intensity for the following cycle. Long cycles are followed by quieter cycles. Shorter cycles by more intense ones.

We're currently at the end of Solar Cycle 23 and the start of Solar Cycle 24 (solar cycles overlap). If we back up, SC 22 was around 9-1/2 years long. It was a short solar cycle. According to the theory, the sun should have been more active during SC 23, with a stronger, more consistent solar wind, fewer clouds, and higher temperatures. SC 23 started in May 1996. Has it generally been hotter than normal through this time? You tell me.

SC 23 should have ended a year ago. It's already 12 years long. Given the way solar cycles have historically wound down following the appearance of the first sunspots of the new solar cycle, SC 23 is good to last through the balance of 2008, if not well into 2009.

It's almost a given that SC 23 will last at least 12-1/2 years. It might make it to 13 years, or longer. This makes it the longest solar cycle in more than 100 years.

According to the theory, the duration of SC 23 would be followed by a quieter sun. Beyond its delayed beginning, SC 24 has been pretty slow to get into gear. There was one sunspot in January and another more recently. The second was so weak that there's been a debate amongst the solar weather followers about whether it should really be considered a sunspot or not. The bottom line is SC 24 is starting out consistent with the theory.

If the solar theory's right, we might be in for some cold weather in the coming years. How cold? Who knows? It's probably not doomsday cold, but according to the theory, temperatures might drop enough for some rivers to freeze over for the first time in more than a century. Boston Harbor might freeze again (PDF LINK).

The biggest consequence will be the impact on agriculture and energy. Growing seasons will be shorter (less food). Everyone will use more oil, gas, or electricity to heat their homes in the winter.

If it happens, maybe it would be enough to knock the complacency out of the idiots running the country so we could begin to drill in ANWR, off the California and Florida coasts, and extract shale oil from Colorado and Utah. Maybe, it will prevent the headlong rush into environmarxism that promises a chattel future of high taxes and few freedoms, government imposed scarcity and malaise.

I hoped this helped explain the solar theory.

44 posted on 04/23/2008 5:05:36 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: sand88

Algore put a solar roof on his 30 room Tennessee mansion so now all is right with the world.


45 posted on 04/23/2008 5:06:22 PM PDT by doosee
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To: Froufrou
The last historical period with low sunspot activity was called the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715). It conincided with the Little Ice Age. The summers were cold and wet, and the winters were downright nasty.
46 posted on 04/23/2008 5:18:16 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Entrepreneur

Thanks for the post.


47 posted on 04/23/2008 5:19:36 PM PDT by eyedigress (If you aren't voting who cares about your opinion.)
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To: Gideon7

Thank you, that’s very interesting!


48 posted on 04/24/2008 7:56:45 AM PDT by Froufrou
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49 posted on 04/24/2008 11:43:12 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: Entrepreneur

Thank you for a well written and very informative post. It is a keeper. You have a gift for writing. After reading the Chilling Stars, I tend to believe that the Cosmic Ray connection could turn out to be a very important discovery. It’s sad that real science is being polluted by the likes of Hansen, Mann and many other leftists scientists.


50 posted on 04/24/2008 10:12:47 PM PDT by sand88
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