Skip to comments.'Ramos, Compean must ask for clemency' 'there's a process' for pardons
Posted on 05/01/2008 5:14:19 PM PDT by dynachrome
The two former U.S. Border Patrol agents who were sentenced to prison terms of more than a decade each for shooting at a drug smuggler who dumped a load in the United States, then fled on foot back into Mexico rather than be arrested, must ask if they want clemency in their cases, according to the White House.
"There is a process under which anyone can apply for a pardon or a commutation. And if they want to take advantage of that process, they're absolutely welcome to," Dana Perino, the White House spokeswoman, told WND today.
She was responding to a question from Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent at the White House, about the case involving Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. It has been a subject of dispute among border control advocates ever since the two were arrested.
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Bush doesn’t want to upset his kickbacks from his Mehican buddies.
That was my first thought when I saw this article.
Did all the folks that Clinton pardoned, just before he left office, follow the required process?
This is just being discussed now?
In any case, I am not aware of anyone getting a pardon while their appeal is running, perhaps a historian can help me out.
Sutton is Bush’s pal. He won’t admit “mistakes were made” and that Sutton abused the powers of his office and deliberately steered the jury by lies of omission and character assassination “gonna go out and hunt some meskins”.
Oh, really? I wonder what the “commutation” of the sentence was, then?
I though that the criminals pardoned by Clinton used a different process, financial kickbacks to the Clintoons.
That would come up during the appeal, wouldn’t it? If it doesn’t, what’s your guess why it didn’t?
Maybe (and probably) so. Interesting to see conservatives argue in favor.
There have been a few issued over the years by various Presidents...... Libby and Nixon come to mind. But if you look closely at President Bush many of his pardons are for minor offenses where the person has served their time and are now back in society. It is basically a record clearing process for them.
Then commute these mens’ sentences
Maybe if they change their name to Scooter? Think that might work?
I’m having trouble keeping up with you . . . you were wrong about Scooter, now you want Ramos and Compean’s sentences commuted before the appeals court finishes hearing the case?
Umm, no . . . if you actually know something about the Libby case.
That’s what happened to Scooter, if you recall.
Basically we have two innocent men being further humiliated by telling them they have to ask for a pardon or a commutation. Is the White House that clueless, or do they just want to rub it in? It has been clear to many that these men are being punished for doing their job. I have never seen anything like this except during the corrupt Clinton Administration. How sad.
The Mexicans have picture of Bush from one of his “lost weekends” in Mexico.
As the son of a prominant American politician I’m sure the crooked Mexican government had/has some blackmail.
Oh, really? Care to work us through the timeline? There are others on this thread who can use the education.
Scooter was convicted. Scooter was appealing. Bush Commuted his sentence. Scooter dropped appeal.
Hope that helps you out.
And, after all these years, the Mexican government kept those incriminating photos close to its vest in order to railroad two innocent Border Patrol agents for shooting a drug smuggler.
The juries are shielded from some information in cases.
I've heard a lot of the basic details again and again. I'm sure the answers about why this didn't come up at appeal (Or if it did, why it didn't “matter”)are online if you want to look for them.
Scooter dropped his appeal. You fail. Care to try again? Or is one knee-jerk reaction enough?
Scooter dropped his appeal after his sentence was commuted.
I agree. It just sickens me a little more because they have to beg for a pardon. I hope some day we find out why the Bush Administration is so rotten in connection with this case.
Well, bearing in mind that unless you are sitting in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, you have no idea what is being argued there.
Nah, you can look it up yerself.
Heck, anyone prove it . . . please. I’ll admit it if I was wrong.
Nope, just google it yourself. My memory is flawless.
Just not on this thread. [hoot]
One of the things I really don’t like about President Bush is that he seems to feel no sense of loyalty to people working for him or for the country he serves when they are unfairly treated by his political enemies.
It’s much the same with the Haditha marines. And Scooter Libby. Bush is their commander in chief, they served faithfully, but he persistently lets his men down whenever they are scapegoated by the Democrats.
Or Peter Pace.
keep digging yer hole, you’re bound to reach China pretty soon
He'd rather show loyalty to his Messican buddies across the border.
Bush commuted his sentence in July, Libby dropped his appeal in December.
Don't like my source, find your own.
After Googling “Libby Commuted Appeal”, first two hits say that Bush commuted Libby’s sentence just hours after the Appeals Court denied Libby’s request to delay serving his sentence.
I remember it, too. Google is your friend.
Having voted for all the Bush bunch every time they ran, I have to admit they were merely the lesser of the evils.
Read House of Bush, House of Saud - it details some 1.476 billion dollars invested through the Bush bunch and the Carlisle Group.
Cash on a multi=national scale will prove to be behind President Bush morphing into El Presidente Jorge Boosh.
‘Tis long past time to legalize drugs before any more Americans are corrupted by drug money.
Thanks. I had this vision of an appeals trial going on, but I stand corrected. Libby had a number of appeals going on at the time, apparently.
To be honest, I really didn’t remember until I looked it up.
It looks like pissant is right. Libby's sentence was commuted months before he dropped his appeal.
Now, anybody know if Libby petitioned for commutation?
Well, I know if I was serving 10 years in prison, and someone told me I had to actually ask if I wanted to get out, I’d just stay in prison instead. The nerve of some people.