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'Ramos, Compean must ask for clemency' 'there's a process' for pardons
World Net Daily ^ | 5-1-08 | unattributed

Posted on 05/01/2008 5:14:19 PM PDT by dynachrome

The two former U.S. Border Patrol agents who were sentenced to prison terms of more than a decade each for shooting at a drug smuggler who dumped a load in the United States, then fled on foot back into Mexico rather than be arrested, must ask if they want clemency in their cases, according to the White House.

"There is a process under which anyone can apply for a pardon or a commutation. And if they want to take advantage of that process, they're absolutely welcome to," Dana Perino, the White House spokeswoman, told WND today.

She was responding to a question from Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent at the White House, about the case involving Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. It has been a subject of dispute among border control advocates ever since the two were arrested.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; clemency; compean; immigrantlist; pardon; ramos
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Free them now. Show some guts, Pres. Bush.
1 posted on 05/01/2008 5:14:20 PM PDT by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome

WTF?


2 posted on 05/01/2008 5:17:17 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: dynachrome

Bush doesn’t want to upset his kickbacks from his Mehican buddies.


3 posted on 05/01/2008 5:17:54 PM PDT by Levante
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To: pissant

That was my first thought when I saw this article.


4 posted on 05/01/2008 5:18:37 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: dynachrome

Did all the folks that Clinton pardoned, just before he left office, follow the required process?


5 posted on 05/01/2008 5:18:40 PM PDT by doc1019 (Acts 16:31, Romans 10:13 ... nuff said.)
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To: dynachrome

This is just being discussed now?


6 posted on 05/01/2008 5:18:48 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: calcowgirl

ping.


7 posted on 05/01/2008 5:19:57 PM PDT by AndrewC (You should go see "Expelled")
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To: doc1019
That certainly is an interesting argument to make: because Clinton may not have followed the process, Bush shouldn't either.

In any case, I am not aware of anyone getting a pardon while their appeal is running, perhaps a historian can help me out.

8 posted on 05/01/2008 5:21:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dynachrome

Frikkin’ sad.


9 posted on 05/01/2008 5:23:00 PM PDT by TADSLOS (John McCain marches stealthily at the half step to the socialist drum to let the sheeple sleep.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Scooter


10 posted on 05/01/2008 5:24:36 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: dynachrome

Sutton is Bush’s pal. He won’t admit “mistakes were made” and that Sutton abused the powers of his office and deliberately steered the jury by lies of omission and character assassination “gonna go out and hunt some meskins”.


11 posted on 05/01/2008 5:26:47 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: pissant

Oh, really? I wonder what the “commutation” of the sentence was, then?


12 posted on 05/01/2008 5:27:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I though that the criminals pardoned by Clinton used a different process, financial kickbacks to the Clintoons.


13 posted on 05/01/2008 5:27:50 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: weegee

That would come up during the appeal, wouldn’t it? If it doesn’t, what’s your guess why it didn’t?


14 posted on 05/01/2008 5:28:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: weegee

Maybe (and probably) so. Interesting to see conservatives argue in favor.


15 posted on 05/01/2008 5:29:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

There have been a few issued over the years by various Presidents...... Libby and Nixon come to mind. But if you look closely at President Bush many of his pardons are for minor offenses where the person has served their time and are now back in society. It is basically a record clearing process for them.


16 posted on 05/01/2008 5:30:01 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: 1rudeboy

Then commute these mens’ sentences


17 posted on 05/01/2008 5:30:27 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: dynachrome

Maybe if they change their name to Scooter? Think that might work?


18 posted on 05/01/2008 5:31:18 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: pissant

I’m having trouble keeping up with you . . . you were wrong about Scooter, now you want Ramos and Compean’s sentences commuted before the appeals court finishes hearing the case?


19 posted on 05/01/2008 5:32:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Non-Sequitur

Umm, no . . . if you actually know something about the Libby case.


20 posted on 05/01/2008 5:33:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

That’s what happened to Scooter, if you recall.


21 posted on 05/01/2008 5:33:22 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: dynachrome
"There is a process under which anyone can apply for a pardon or a commutation. And if they want to take advantage of that process, they're absolutely welcome to," Dana Perino, the White House spokeswoman, told WND today.

Basically we have two innocent men being further humiliated by telling them they have to ask for a pardon or a commutation. Is the White House that clueless, or do they just want to rub it in? It has been clear to many that these men are being punished for doing their job. I have never seen anything like this except during the corrupt Clinton Administration. How sad.

22 posted on 05/01/2008 5:34:45 PM PDT by olezip
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To: Levante

The Mexicans have picture of Bush from one of his “lost weekends” in Mexico.

As the son of a prominant American politician I’m sure the crooked Mexican government had/has some blackmail.


23 posted on 05/01/2008 5:35:55 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008, they have nothing else. Mark my words.)
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To: pissant

Oh, really? Care to work us through the timeline? There are others on this thread who can use the education.


24 posted on 05/01/2008 5:36:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dynachrome

Scooter was convicted. Scooter was appealing. Bush Commuted his sentence. Scooter dropped appeal.

Hope that helps you out.


25 posted on 05/01/2008 5:37:54 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Finalapproach29er

And, after all these years, the Mexican government kept those incriminating photos close to its vest in order to railroad two innocent Border Patrol agents for shooting a drug smuggler.


26 posted on 05/01/2008 5:38:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: olezip
"telling them they have to ask beg for a pardon"
27 posted on 05/01/2008 5:38:30 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: 1rudeboy
Courts are run by judges. District Attorneys are supposed to act independently of the prosecution but this is generally not the case.

The juries are shielded from some information in cases.

I've heard a lot of the basic details again and again. I'm sure the answers about why this didn't come up at appeal (Or if it did, why it didn't “matter”)are online if you want to look for them.

28 posted on 05/01/2008 5:38:52 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: pissant

Scooter dropped his appeal. You fail. Care to try again? Or is one knee-jerk reaction enough?


29 posted on 05/01/2008 5:39:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Scooter dropped his appeal after his sentence was commuted.


30 posted on 05/01/2008 5:39:53 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Prove it.


31 posted on 05/01/2008 5:40:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dynachrome

I agree. It just sickens me a little more because they have to beg for a pardon. I hope some day we find out why the Bush Administration is so rotten in connection with this case.


32 posted on 05/01/2008 5:41:57 PM PDT by olezip
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To: weegee

Well, bearing in mind that unless you are sitting in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, you have no idea what is being argued there.


33 posted on 05/01/2008 5:42:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Nah, you can look it up yerself.


34 posted on 05/01/2008 5:42:54 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: All

Heck, anyone prove it . . . please. I’ll admit it if I was wrong.


35 posted on 05/01/2008 5:43:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: pissant
ROTFLMAO

busted

36 posted on 05/01/2008 5:44:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Nope, just google it yourself. My memory is flawless.


37 posted on 05/01/2008 5:44:51 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Just not on this thread. [hoot]


38 posted on 05/01/2008 5:45:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dynachrome

One of the things I really don’t like about President Bush is that he seems to feel no sense of loyalty to people working for him or for the country he serves when they are unfairly treated by his political enemies.

It’s much the same with the Haditha marines. And Scooter Libby. Bush is their commander in chief, they served faithfully, but he persistently lets his men down whenever they are scapegoated by the Democrats.

Or Peter Pace.


39 posted on 05/01/2008 5:48:41 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 1rudeboy

keep digging yer hole, you’re bound to reach China pretty soon


40 posted on 05/01/2008 5:49:27 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: dynachrome
Free them now. Show some guts, Pres. Bush.

He'd rather show loyalty to his Messican buddies across the border.

41 posted on 05/01/2008 5:51:24 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: pissant; 1rudeboy
Heck, anyone prove it . . . please. I’ll admit it if I was wrong.

Bush commuted his sentence in July, Libby dropped his appeal in December.

source

Don't like my source, find your own.

42 posted on 05/01/2008 5:59:27 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: pissant; 1rudeboy

Interesting.

After Googling “Libby Commuted Appeal”, first two hits say that Bush commuted Libby’s sentence just hours after the Appeals Court denied Libby’s request to delay serving his sentence.


43 posted on 05/01/2008 6:00:09 PM PDT by uptoolate (I don't fear the election - my God is there already - and bigger than them all.)
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To: 1rudeboy; pissant

I remember it, too. Google is your friend.


44 posted on 05/01/2008 6:05:34 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Still determined to write in Hunter.)
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To: olezip

Having voted for all the Bush bunch every time they ran, I have to admit they were merely the lesser of the evils.

Read House of Bush, House of Saud - it details some 1.476 billion dollars invested through the Bush bunch and the Carlisle Group.

Cash on a multi=national scale will prove to be behind President Bush morphing into El Presidente Jorge Boosh.

‘Tis long past time to legalize drugs before any more Americans are corrupted by drug money.


45 posted on 05/01/2008 6:07:10 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: South40

Thanks. I had this vision of an appeals trial going on, but I stand corrected. Libby had a number of appeals going on at the time, apparently.


46 posted on 05/01/2008 6:15:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

To be honest, I really didn’t remember until I looked it up.


47 posted on 05/01/2008 6:21:08 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Levante
I feel like a foreigner in my own country when I'm on a job site where every worker speaks Spanish. These people come from Brazil, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Mexico and other Spanish speaking countries. There are only three or four English speaking workers out of thirty or thirty five. I don't even want to think about how bad it would be if our worthless politicians pass their ridiculous amnesty bills.
48 posted on 05/01/2008 6:23:36 PM PDT by peeps36 (Politician = Corrupt Degenerate Loser = Ted, Nancy, Barry, Jack and Many More)
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To: pissant; 1rudeboy
I love this kind of stuff.

December 10, 2007: Libby drops appeal

July 3, 2007: Bush Commutes Libby's sentence (so he can stay out of jail pending appeal

It looks like pissant is right. Libby's sentence was commuted months before he dropped his appeal.

Now, anybody know if Libby petitioned for commutation?

49 posted on 05/01/2008 6:36:01 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: dynachrome

Well, I know if I was serving 10 years in prison, and someone told me I had to actually ask if I wanted to get out, I’d just stay in prison instead. The nerve of some people.

/sarc


50 posted on 05/01/2008 6:38:37 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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