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China Builds Secret Nuclear Submarine Base in South China Sea
foxnews.com ^ | May 02, 2008 | NA

Posted on 05/03/2008 7:46:40 PM PDT by neverdem

China has secretly built an underground nuclear submarine base in the South China Sea, posing a new threat to powers in the region — a development the Pentagon says it has known about for at least two years.

Satellite photos of the base obtained by FOX News show a large harbor and massive tunnels that defense experts say could shelter many nuclear subs.

The Defense Department has estimated that by 2010 China will have five operational 094-class nuclear submarines capable of carrying 12 nuclear missiles each, according to the Daily Telegraph.

According to the Defense Department, China has 57 attack submarines, but these satellite pictures suggest their 094-class nuclear submarine may already be available.

“It’s very significant to have further visual evidence of the kinds of military build-up that they’ve been engaged in for some time,” said Stephen Yates, a senior fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council.

Photos of the base were taken on November 28 by DigitalGlobe’s QuickBird satellite, and first appeared in the military journal Jane’s Intelligence Review.

The secret base, known as Sanya, is located on the southern tip of Hainan Island in the South China Sea. Defense experts say the harbor feeds into waters so deep that the submarines could launch without having to surface, making it difficult to detect them from the sky.

That may pose a threat to U.S. naval dominance in the region, and to the nations just hundreds of miles from Hainan’s shores.

“It really is a point of force projection out into the South China Sea, and the South China Sea is a very, very important waterway critical to energy security,” said Yates.

The Pentagon has known about the secret submarine base for more than two years. It first showed up in press reports in 2007 and was mentioned in...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; china; chinesemilitary; shhhhhhhhitsasecret; southchinasea

DigitalGlobe
A satellite image of China's secret underground nuclear submarine base on Hainan Island in the South China Sea.
1 posted on 05/03/2008 7:46:40 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
China has secretly built an underground nuclear submarine base in the South China Sea, posing a new threat to powers in the region — a development the Pentagon says it has known about for at least two years.

Not all THAT secret, apparently.

2 posted on 05/03/2008 7:48:08 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: neverdem
I thought Bond blew that place up in 1962.

Really, how do you build a secret base in the age of satellites and such?

The article itself contradicts the headline.

3 posted on 05/03/2008 7:50:21 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: neverdem

Doesn’t sound like a secret to me.


4 posted on 05/03/2008 7:51:22 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: purpleraine

nah, I think that was Dr. No’s place in ‘62.


5 posted on 05/03/2008 7:52:00 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: bobby.223

did the Clintons help them get the technology?


6 posted on 05/03/2008 7:56:21 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: neverdem

shhh

its a secret


7 posted on 05/03/2008 7:56:34 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: neverdem
Has everyone else noticed that lately the Chinese have been acting exactly like cartoonish movie villains, in every respect?
8 posted on 05/03/2008 8:00:22 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Jeff Head
A ping to you my friend.

L

9 posted on 05/03/2008 8:02:13 PM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: neverdem

If it is secret, how come it is posted here on FR. Shhhhhhh! Don’t tell anyone.


10 posted on 05/03/2008 8:08:14 PM PDT by gogov
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To: purpleraine
I thought Bond blew that place up in 1962.

My first thought. But you got to it first.

11 posted on 05/03/2008 8:08:49 PM PDT by gogov
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To: Sherman Logan
quick! make it double secret!


12 posted on 05/03/2008 8:28:46 PM PDT by Republican Party Reptile
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To: JasonC
Has everyone else noticed that lately the Chinese have been acting exactly like cartoonish movie villains, in every respect?

More like Dr. Evil in the Austin Powers movies.

Dr. Evil: Gentlemen, I have a plan. It's called blackmail. The Royal Family of Britain are the wealthiest landowners in the world. Either the Royal Family pays us an exorbitant amount of money, or we make it seen that Prince Charles has had an affair outside of marriage and therefore would have to divorce!
Number Two: Prince Charles *did* have an affair. He admitted it, and they are now divorced.
Dr. Evil: Right, people you have to tell me these things, okay? I've been frozen for thirty years, okay? Throw me a frickin' bone here! I'm the boss! Need the info.
[pause]
Dr. Evil: Okay no problem. Here's my second plan. Back in the 60's, I had a weather changing machine that was, in essence, a sophisticated heat beam which we called a "laser." Using these "lasers," we punch a hole in the protective layer around the Earth, which we scientists call the "Ozone Layer." Slowly but surely, ultraviolet rays would pour in, increasing the risk of skin cancer. That is unless the world pays us a hefty ransom.
Number Two: [pause] That also already has happened.
Dr. Evil: Sh*t. Oh h*ll, let's just do what we always do. Hijack some nuclear weapons and hold the world hostage. Yeah? Good! Gentlemen, it has come to my attention that a breakaway Russian Republic called Kreplachistan will be transferring a nuclear warhead to the United Nations in a few days. Here's the plan. We get the warhead and we hold the world ransom for... ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
Number Two: Don't you think we should ask for *more* than a million dollars? A million dollars isn't exactly a lot of money these days. Virtucon alone makes over 9 billion dollars a year!
Dr. Evil: Really? That's a lot of money.
[pause]
Dr. Evil: Okay then, we hold the world ransom for...
Dr. Evil: One... Hundred... BILLION DOLLARS!

13 posted on 05/03/2008 8:34:26 PM PDT by highimpact (Abortion - [n]: human sacrifice at the altar of convenience.)
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To: neverdem

This evil submarine base brought to you by Bill and Hill, masters of treason , lying, and just about any other rotten thing you can think of.


14 posted on 05/03/2008 8:41:33 PM PDT by Nateman (You only need to fool half of them once every two years.)
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To: Nateman

Makes an excellent target.

Better yet, we’ll just pick them off one at a time, just like we did the russians.

It’s the way we do business. The right way.


15 posted on 05/03/2008 8:52:39 PM PDT by SubmarineNuke (To the Sea I shall return)
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To: neverdem

The secret isn’t the base, the secret is how many ballistic missile submarines they have in dock or how many they have managed to get into deep water between satellite passes.

If we can’t see the slips, we can’t tell if they have everything in the underground base or if they have all steamed out on a first strike mission.

When the time comes, the chinese aren’t going to telegraph it. They will attempt a decapitation strike before sending out their surface navy.


16 posted on 05/03/2008 8:53:29 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: neverdem

One thought might be to quietly emplace captor mines a dozen or so miles off the coast waiting for activation orders. Then put listening devices on the floor under the egress route.


17 posted on 05/03/2008 9:09:53 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Yeah, like as if the space is not heavily monitored by the Chinese, in the first place.

Face it, the Chinese are not rag-head cavemen.


18 posted on 05/03/2008 10:09:28 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: neverdem
How come no one is calling for bombing this nuclear target?

Is it because Communist China is our friend? Walmart? Olympics?

19 posted on 05/03/2008 10:23:18 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Nice little bunker buster right up the pooper will take care of this place.


20 posted on 05/03/2008 10:43:07 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: neverdem
"Defense Secretary Robert Gates visited China last November, he was given a tour of the Forbidden City — but not given answers about China’s growing military budget"

LOL! Anyone else find that funny?

21 posted on 05/03/2008 10:53:26 PM PDT by endthematrix (Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
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To: milford421; DAVEY CROCKETT

Ping.


22 posted on 05/04/2008 12:50:34 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: neverdem

Call me a cynic...Or just someone who takes pictures like this at face value...

But it looks to me like the opening into the side of the coast there is a bit above mean sea level???

Unless the Chinese have developed some sort of new propulsion device that gives their subs a “Flipper” manuever...I’m not sure how the subs are going to get inside the barn there...

Yes, for some reason I see a road (bridge) going across the front of that opening...But that looks like a problem waiting to happen when they need that bridge to work and it decides to break down...

Not much secrecy here...

You 007’ers are really cracking me up though!!! ;-)


23 posted on 05/04/2008 6:20:02 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: dragnet2
How come no one is calling for bombing this nuclear target?

Just a guess but I'm thinking it's because we're not a war with China.

24 posted on 05/04/2008 6:25:12 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Nateman
This evil submarine base brought to you by Bill and Hill, masters of treason , lying, and just about any other rotten thing you can think of.

Digging holes is not exactly high-tech. I'm sure China could have done it without help from the Clintons.

25 posted on 05/04/2008 6:26:47 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: neverdem

It is widely believed in the intelligence community that the Chinese used stolen plans for a secret American sub base for the construction.

Disney/ABC revealed that the plans were actually those used in the movie 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.


26 posted on 05/04/2008 6:32:21 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The Bitcons will elect a Democrat by default)
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To: Non-Sequitur

It’s the subs that go in the holes that are a little harder to make. Chinese spying during the Clinton years gave them the know how to build those subs.


27 posted on 05/04/2008 8:49:50 AM PDT by Nateman (You only need to fool half of them once every two years.)
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To: Nateman
Chinese spying during the Clinton years gave them the know how to build those subs.

Having seen pictures of those subs I suggest that they owe more to early model Soviet Deltas than anything the U.S. has made for the past 50 years.

28 posted on 05/04/2008 9:38:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Nateman

It’s the subs that go in the holes that are a little harder to make. Chinese spying during the Clinton years gave them the know how to build those subs.
If the subs go into those holes, than sooner or later they will want to come back out. Now what if those holes closed up somehow???

Jack


29 posted on 05/04/2008 11:30:02 AM PDT by btcusn
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To: Non-Sequitur
Just a guess but I'm thinking it's because we're not a war with China.

Last I heard, the United States has not declared war on anyone at this point.

However, since we are not at war with Communist China, are you suggesting they are not a direct threat to the U.S. and our allies?

Do you not believe as they build up their military into a world class, massive war machine, they will not use it on us, or our allies?

Just guessing, but I believe it's only a matter of time when this will occur, not if. And if we stand by and watch, they'll eventually have us on our knees, both economically, and militarily.

Are you invested in Communist China?

30 posted on 05/04/2008 1:25:17 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: CarrotAndStick
Face it, the Chinese are not rag-head cavemen.

Agreed. But there are ways to do these types of operations, and to put out enough defensive sensors to preclude such operations from occurring is a very, very expensive operation. Just as the ocean hides submarines, it hides much smaller things as well.

31 posted on 05/04/2008 4:16:48 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt
One thought might be to quietly emplace captor mines a dozen or so miles off the coast waiting for activation orders. Then put listening devices on the floor under the egress route.

Maybe we already have? Yah Think?

32 posted on 05/05/2008 3:58:56 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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