Posted on 05/07/2008 6:09:50 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
A Knoxville man shot and killed a Pittsburgh police dog Tuesday before the canine's handler returned fire, killing the man in what city police Chief Nate Harper called "an unfortunate" but justifiable action. The shooting outraged and angered the family of the 19-year-old man, Justin Jackson. He was pronounced dead by a passing paramedic almost immediately after the shooting that occurred at 6:53 p.m. in front of the UPMC facility on Arlington Avenue on the border of Knoxville and Mt. Oliver.
Harper said the dog's handler ordered the canine -- a 6-year-old German shepherd named Aulf -- to attack after Jackson pulled a gun from under his shirt. Both the officer, an eight-year-veteran Harper did not identify, and Jackson fired several shots, the chief said.
"They shot my son in the head. The officer told me, 'Our dog got shot so we shot him.' They killed my son over a dog," said Donald James Jackson of the West End.
"My 19-year-old son is lying there dead, shot in the head, execution-style. My son's brains are laying on the street. This is crazy. I'm going to do whatever I have to do, file charges against the officers, for my son. It's terrible, the mentality they have," Jackson said as he tried to comfort his wife.
"We are not going to let them get away with this!" Anna Jackson screamed. "They will pay for killing my son. They are going to pay for shooting my son over a dog!"
(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...
The suspect is confronted, pulls a gun out from under his shirt? Yeah, sorry buddy, wrong move. You didn't get shot over a dog. You fired shots at police officers and were hit by returned fire.
I'm so sick of these families. Okay, they were innocent, their little angel most certainly was not. You do not brandish a weapon in a threatening manner against police officers or K-9 units and expect to live.
One less scumbag available to pollute the gene pool. Thank you Pittsburgh PD for doing your jobs!
No, they killed your son because he was threatening people with a gun.
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another “aspiring rapper” gone too soon
This scumbag didnt shoot just any dog, he shot a member of the police force. When will these idiots realize that if you pull a gun it is very highly probable that the cops will pull their guns also?
If the Pittsburgh Tribune Review had even the slightest amount of journalistic integrity, the headline would read:
Man Shot After Pulling a Gun on Police Officer
It appears that the dead apple didn’t fall far from the family tree in the stupidity department.
Your son needed killing!
Exactly right. Bad call to fire the handgun, no matter at who or what, even if in the air. It ended as expected after that.
Next, they’ll place a call to Al (rent-a-riot) Sharkton. He’ll make everythong better. I feel sorry for the police dog and his partner.
The officer saved society millions in court costs and lost lives. I’m sorry that the K9 officer was killed.
This article is missing the words, “honor student.” Perhaps the mother forgot them in her grief.
What was the dirtbag doing with a gun? Great job Burgh PD.
In most states, as I understand it, police dogs are treated as police officers in terms of criminal prosecution against people that do them harm. The “suspect” pulled out a gun, shot a police dog and would likely have continued shooting the human officers. Would the family have been happier if he had killed a human officer before he was shot down?
I vote they sue the family for the damages (both physical and emotional) that their son inflicted on the poor officer and the department.
Typical leftist mentality.
Their son was killed during a commission of a crime and it's the PD's fault.
"Teach your children well".
Even if the Police can see the kid shooting at their dog, they have no way of knowing if he’ll next aim at them, or if the bullets will hit someone behind them etc. Sorry sir, you raised a punk, and a stupid impetuous one at that. And he died for his quick-thinking stupidity.
The family could also call Obama who can proclaim that the dog deserved to die because it was a “typical canine.”
Mr. Jackson, your idiot son is dead because he shot at a police officer. Your pathetic lies will not bring him back.
Give Jackson a Darwin Award.
The only thing the story was missing was a crying grandmother saying "He was turning his life around".
The police dog undoubtedly did more to help the community than our "innocent" citizen here.
That said, its fairly easy to take out an attacking dog. Takes a bit of nerve and some training, but its quite doable. Tends to upset the owner/handler though.
“They killed my son over a dog,” said Donald James Jackson “
Did he come up with this right away on his own, or did an Alinsky-trained “community organizer” (like Obama used to be) help him?
The statement is just too clever and inflammatory, it twists reality a bit too much to be real.
According to accounts so far, he didn’t exactly brandish the weapon.
According to witnesses, the suspect had his hands in his coat pockets.. the police set the dog on him, he pulled out a .357 and shot the dog, and the police shot him.
I don’t know much more at this point than that... what exactly lead to the cops deciding to unleash the dog at him... however I can’t see any sane person with a weapon not pulling it out to shoot a dog that’s going for him.
I would assume the police issued the suspect orders to show his hands, or something else before releasing the dog, but I don’t know. However, I can’t condemn anyone for instinctively shooting an animal coming after them.
Understand I am not condemning the police for their actions in this matter, I don’t know the exact situation so with the facts as they are I can’t say.. However I can’t say that if a dog was coming after me and I had a gun that I would not do the exact same thing... to expect any human to take a dog attack so they can stay in compliance with an order is a bit unrealistic.
firing at an officer or not, can you realistically expect any human being to sit there and take a dog attack just because some cop ordered them too? I think any human being with a gun sees a dog coming at them in attack mode is likely to shoot. Survival instinct being what it is.
As of right now, this one definately smells a bit off.
Has it ever been upheld in a jury trial? I ask because I could easily see a jury not supporting it.
I wouldn’t neccessarily agree.
I can’t think of any human being who seeing a dog coming at them in attack mode who would not defend themselves from it, instinctively. To presume from that the person would inately keep firing at human being is a bit of a leap of logic.
Expecting someone to just take a dog attack because a police man ordered them too is rediculous.
I personaly have a problem with cops sending canine units into a situation they themselves would not go, then complain that the dog is the same as an officer. Say what you will but in MHO sending an animal into a situation where all he is armed with is his teeth against someone that is armed with a gun is a form of animal abuse. Police Dogs are tools, they respond to commands, they don’t take cover when under fire and they can’t shoot back to defend themselves. They do what they do bcause they are trained that way, they are no more an LEO than an attack dog owned by a drug pusher.
Where are the PETA lunatics when we need them?
The officers were completely justified for shooting the guy, anyone stupid enough to pull a gun out with two police officers there and shoot the dog is going to be shot on the spot, even most kindergartners know this who live in urban neighborhoods.
That being said I am of mixed mind on anyone striking a police dog with your bare hands being charged the same as striking a human officer.
If any dog, police or otherwise is biting you then you are going to defend yourself different than if an officer is wrestling you down.
Watching a mouthful of teeth come jumping at your face it is instinctive to protect yourself and strike the dog. This is an instinct so primal that someone shouldn’t be charged for it in a stressful situation IMHO.
Harper said the dog's handler and another officer, both in uniform, were driving on Arlington Avenue in a marked police car to respond to a report of shots fired when they spotted Justin Jackson. They stopped because they believed he was carrying a gun, the chief said.
But, this also struck me:
Others saw the shooting as a tragic reminder of the general decline in the neighborhood.
"I think it's kinda scary. You can't come out at night. I think a lot of it is the drugs and guns and violence," Sue Carroll said.
"We gotta get out of here," agreed Lisa Fehr, who still lives a few blocks away on the South Side Slopes where she was raised. "As soon as my two daughters graduate (from high school). People are walking around with guns. We can't live here."
Something tells me that at least one source of the violence in the neighborhood has now been eliminated...
I think any human being with a gun,
What is a scum bag doing with a gun out in public? I have many guns, but I don’t walk down the street with them and confront Police Officers. This guy got what he deserved. Great job Burgh PD.
I hear the Elvis song "In the Ghetto" playing in my head when I read this.
No, they killed your son because it was clear that he was going to kill someone. He killed the dog, and a person (or persons) were going to be next.
> “This article is missing the words, “honor student.” Perhaps the mother forgot them in her grief.”
Actually, the words I hear most often from parents in cases like this are “he was turning his life around.” When they say that, you know he has a record a mile long.
Are you kidding? Even when the dog is a police dog? It would make about as much sense to "instinctively" start shooting when a cop pulls you over.
At present the reports are not that he confronted the officers, but they confronted him.
So now anyone carrying a gun is inately a criminal? interesting view.. I somehow doubt most gun owners would agree with it.
Yes, yes. Very sad. I heard he was going to join the Peace Corps on Monday. Now he is dead. </sarcasm>
According to the police, the kid pulled a gun, the cop ordered the dog to “disarm”, and the kid fired. If the witnesses are like the family, they will report that the kid was just standing there when a cop suddenly for no reason ordered the dog to attack and kill the innocent honor student who was turning his life around waiting for a hiphop record contract, who had no choice but to defend himself.
Police dogs are trained tightly. If a dog was told to disarm me, he'd keep me too busy to shoot. If I saw a police dog coming at me (and I were truly an innocent bystander) I'd raise my empty hands over my head and trust the dog's training to not escalate the situation. Drawing down on the dog would be, literally, the last thing I'd do.
It would be a tougher call if I didn't know it was a police dog, but in a city that's unlikely- you usually are engaged with the police before a canine is unleashed.
2nd Amendment. We don't know for sure, now do we?
I agree completely.
The cops tried to use non-lethal force. Who was the guy going to shoot next?
And that scumabg drug dealer that was going to shoot the cop was rightly shot dead and removed from the genepool. And this family should be sent a bill for all the trouble that cretin son of theirs caused.
He’s directly above you. ^ ^ ^
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