Posted on 05/09/2008 10:34:55 AM PDT by neverdem
Days after a Philadelphia police sergeant was killed with a semi-automatic rifle, Mayor Nutter and Gov. Rendell called upon Congress to enact a new federal assault-weapons ban that would remove such weapons from the streets.
"The time has come for politicians to decide," said Rendell at the City Hall news conference attended by top police brass and state elected officials. "You have to decide whether you're on their side - the men and women who wear blue - or whether you're on the side of the gun lobby."
The federal assault-weapons ban, which lasted from 1994 through 2004, outlawed an array of military weapons and semi-automatics that fire and automatically reload when the trigger is pulled.
The expired bill would not have outlawed the Chinese-made SKS Carbine - outfitted with a 30-round detachable magazine - used to kill Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski Saturday.
But a new version of the legislation, currently languishing in the House of Representatives, specifically lists "SKS with detachable magazine" as a banned weapon.
Supporters of the federal ban said that the restrictions made it harder to obtain illegal weapons. But critics argued that loopholes in the ban made it easy to modify deadly guns to keep them legal.
Rendell and Nutter have sent a letter to the state's representatives and senators in Washington. In it, they ask for a new assault-weapons ban, but do not back a specific piece of legislation.
Nutter said that the city just needs help.
"Those weapons have one goal and use in mind," Nutter said. "They are to destroy human beings and do it as quickly and as dangerously and in as devastating a fashion as possible. I stand here with Governor Rendell and members of the general assembly to ask for help. Our state and federal legislators need to pass laws that protect citizens and do not protect criminals."
Two local legislators are already showing their support. U.S. Rep. Chaka Fattah co-sponsored the new version of the assault-weapons ban. And U.S. Rep. Joe Sestak this week added his name to the list of co-sponsors.
Sestak said that after the Liczbinski slaying he decided to see if he could "bring a light to a piece of legislation that hasn't been moving around. Let's add our name to it and try to move this further down the road."
Nutter also criticized the National Rifle Association, saying they should support this effort.
"The National Rifle Association must explain to the public how they can stand behind criminals who have access to these kind of weapons while purporting to protect the Second Amendment right," he said.
NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it was "sad to see [Rendell and Nutter] stoop to this level to exploit the death of a police officer."
He said that new laws weren't needed. Instead he questioned why someone like accused killer Eric Floyd - who has a long criminal history and fled a halfway house earlier this year - was out on the street.
"The most important thing for residents in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania is to ask their governor and their mayor what career criminals are doing out on the street," he said. "The problem in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania is violent criminals get multiple chances."
Yesterday's news conference grew contentious when a Philadelphia Inquirer reporter questioned whether the SKS Carbine was technically an assault weapon, noting that the National Rifle Association disagreed with the classification and that a search on www.wikipedia.com brought up information saying it was not.
Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey then got into the mix.
"I don't care about Wikipedia or any other kind of pedias," he said. "If it's not an assault weapon by definition, then add it to the freaking list."
Meanwhile, gun-control advocacy group CeaseFire PA sent a letter to Pennsylvania gun-shop owners Wednesday, asking them to voluntarily stop selling the SKS Carbine. Nutter and Rendell said that they supported the effort.
Fred Delia, 69, owner of Delia's Gun Shop, on Torresdale Avenue near Benner Street, sells the weapon. He said he would not honor such a request.
"I don't want to see any of the police get shot," Delia said. But, he added, "them guns have been sold for the last 20 years."
Delia, who has run his shop for 39 years, said gun-shop owners are being unfairly targeted.
"I understand they're getting mad in the city," he said. "They have to get to the source of this. It's drugs, it's judges." *
we have a couple thousand gun laws now one more is not going to solve the problem
remember what happened to the politician???
Thing is, it wouldn't. ....and they know it.
we have a couple thousand gun laws now; that are not enforced; one more is not going to solve the problem
Union zombies.
Yup....Glad the drug laws keep the drugs off the street
BTW - the thugs who did this were muslim ex-cons who got out of prison early. They robbed the bank dressed up like muslim women to sneak in the guns...
But the standard non-detachable magazine version is, of course, harmless.
...and there you have it!
***”You have to decide whether you’re on their side - the men and women who wear blue - or whether you’re on the side of the gun lobby.”***
It is only among wacked out liberals that these are two different sides. Where I live, the police think that career criminals should be in jail FOREVER so we don’t have to worry about whether they have a wicked looking rifle.
Can you find that & link it?
I have an idea lets ask the men and women who actually wear blue and not the various chief’s organization who are either appointed of elected politicians.
Very few street cops support these bans, all they want is to be allowed to carry the appropriate weapons by their departments.
" .. enact a new federal assault-weapons ban that would remove such weapons from the streets."
NOTHING will come off the streets ... threy'll come out of the hands of citizens with the right to own them.
" "You have to decide whether you're on their side - the men and women who wear blue - or whether you're on the side of the gun lobby."
Bull$h!t !
He means ... the side of gendarmes or the citizens with the right to own guns.
"They are to destroy human beings and do it as quickly and as dangerously and in as devastating a fashion as possible. I stand here with Governor Rendell and members of the general assembly to ask for help. Our state and federal legislators need to pass laws that protect citizens and do not protect criminals."
Once again manipulating language and intent .... YOU, Eddy are part of the tyranical government the 2nd ammendment is in place against. .. Eddy is de facto begging for his life ... "Please don't shoot me ... and please help me from being shot"
"The National Rifle Association must explain to the public how they can stand behind criminals who have access to these kind of weapons while purporting to protect the Second Amendment right," he said."
More bull$h!t ... the NRA stands WITH Americans and we all accuse and prove it is you gummint people that stand behind and protect the criminals.
"The most important thing for residents in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania is to ask their governor and their mayor what career criminals are doing out on the street," he said. "The problem in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania is violent criminals get multiple chances."
You indict yourself, Eddy .... rather than we ask you ... why don't you answer it ... tell us ... why ARE criminals out on the streets? .. YOU'RE supposed to be the "strong arm".
Here we go again ....
Phila. police officer shot to death (thugs in "Muslim garb")
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2010855/posts
Where does Annie Oakley stand on this?
Paging our little buddy Chuckie Bloomer! :-)
Why don’t they investigate how this criminal got this weapon? Too much work huh?...TYPICAL!
I think the police should set a good example and relinquish whatever assault weapons they might have. Maybe they can move on up to sidearms.
“we have a couple thousand gun laws now one more is not going to solve the problem”
We know that laws are only obeyed by lawful individuals, and that the only real gun law makes the 20k+ laws on the books unconstitutional.
How many are there?
http://www.gunlaws.com/faq.htm#howmany
How, with a giant magnet that will suck them up from the street?
Liberals would be funny, if they were not so dangerous.
I think the time has about come for the American people to decide if they are on the side of the Constitution or on the side of lowlife politicians.
>Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey then got into the mix.
>If it’s not an assault weapon by definition, then add it to the freaking list.”
Carry that down to every type of gun, why don’t you?
What part of “the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” do you not understand?
And he is the Chief of Police?
Philly has bigger problems than it is able to understand.
“That reload when the trigger is pulled”. Like a Revolver?
Which is, I suppose, why so many police forces employ them, include Philadelphia's... ?
“we have a FEW thousand gun laws now one more is not going to solve the problem”
We know that laws are only obeyed by lawful individuals, and that the only real gun law makes the 20k+ laws on the books unconstitutional.
How many are there?
maybe I should have used Few instead of couple.
“we have a FEW thousand gun laws now one more is not going to solve the problem”
We know that laws are only obeyed by lawful individuals, and that the only real gun law makes the 20k+ laws on the books unconstitutional.
How many are there?
maybe I should have used Few instead of couple.
And you can bet that all three frontrunners will allow such a bill to pass and be signed into law. That is what happens when you have a Pseudo-Republican who wants desperately to be a Democrat running against another who is officially a Democrat.
And all three have proven records of not caring at all for the US Constitution.
It’s not the guns on the street, you lazy incompetent cowards...... it’s the criminals on the street.
>>I think the time has about come for the American people to decide if they are on the side of the Constitution or on the side of lowlife politicians.
Exactly. - Stop FR. We have the FR quote of the day.
Thanks for the URL!
I know they made them remove the bayonet lug off them. This has stopped all drive by jabbings in Philadelphia!
That cheesy Norinco SKS is the same sort of semi-automatic action as now legal hunting rifles. Look at the Remington 750, the Browning Longtrac or the Ruger ranch rifle, all semi-autos with detachable magazines. Start banning one style of gun from legal use and sales and you end up banning all guns.
Meanwhile, the crooks and bad guys will be armed and dangerous. If the mob can ship into the USA tons of heroin, cocaine and marijuana, they can add a few rifles and pistols to the loads.
Let’s get a consensus. It’s time to see who the Constitution deniers are.
Time to stock up on high cap magazines.
Brilliant idea. All the criminals will immediately show up and turn in their assault weapons for sure. Gun bans in Chicago prove how well the laws work with the lawless.
This is one very EASY "fix."
First thing is to vote out every anti gun politician (but then, I repeat myself) currently holding elected office in the city of Philadelphia, and fire the police chief.
Next thing is to urge local residents to arm themselves and give them professional training using police ranges and equipment.
I would also make some kind of a deal so that city residents could buy Glocks or Sigs at severely discounted prices, in exchange for a separate contract to those companies on replacement weapons for all the cops.
I might think about outsourcing current police responsibilities to somebody like Blackwater USA, while relaxing certain Rules of Engagement in high crime areas. But that's only a thought....
For all of you folks wondering what to do with that big government check. Now you know. Even with the smallest check, $600, you can buy a Polish Tantal (5.45mmx39 AK clone) and over 1000 rounds of ammo.
Chief Ramsey was the DC Police Chief during the "DC Sniper" & "Chandra Levy" cases. He didn't seem that effective down in DC. Somehow he got hired in Philly.
I definitely would bet McCain would never say that before November 4. The only reason McCain has less than an A rating from the NRA in recent years is because of his foolish McCain-Fiengold Campaign Finance law and support for a bill ending private sales at gun shows. Before that he had an A rating, IIRC.
McCain slated to address May 16 NRA convention - 2nd Amendment is session theme
The GOP lost the Congress in large part because the donkeys took the Second Amendment off the table. They ran RKBA donkeys for Congress. I think they just shot themselves in the foot, big time!
Nutter and Rendell. THE two most useless Democrats in the State of Pennsylvania.
BTTT
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