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R.C. Sproul Interviews Ben Stein
Ligonier Ministries ^ | March 20, 2008

Posted on 05/10/2008 7:57:42 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode

You can watch it here:

R.C. Sproul interviews Ben Stein


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benstein; darwin; evolution; expelled; hollywood; moviereview; sproul; stein

1 posted on 05/10/2008 7:57:43 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Excellent
2 posted on 05/10/2008 8:01:43 AM PDT by Popman ("When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.")
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Bump for later


3 posted on 05/10/2008 8:06:25 AM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

What are the steps that go from
1)nothing to everything
2)non-life to life
3)randomness to fine-tuning
4)chaos to information
5)non-consciousness to consciosness
6)non-reason to reason
I am skeptical that science will ever be able to explain these.


4 posted on 05/10/2008 8:14:47 AM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

I saw the movie and it was excellent. But this interview and the gentleman that interviewed Ben Stein was tremendous. Thanks for the link.


5 posted on 05/10/2008 9:48:38 AM PDT by Jerry Attrick (<B>)
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To: Jerry Attrick
this interview and the gentleman that interviewed Ben Stein was tremendous. Thanks for the link.

Yes it was an excellent interview, one of those rare interviews when the interviewer was as interesting, or even more so, then the interviewee. Loved Sproul's anecdotes about Sagan.

6 posted on 05/10/2008 10:16:11 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Asked on his deathbed why he was reading the bible, WC Fields replied "I'm looking for loopholes.")
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To: Jerry Attrick
"the gentleman that interviewed Ben Stein" is well know in our family.

We admire RC Sproul tremendoubly and have about all his books, tapes, videos, etc.

He is the real deal.

He teaches at Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, Florida.....Presbyterian Church, PCA.

7 posted on 05/10/2008 6:41:18 PM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; All
Unfortunately, based on everything I've heard about Mr. Stein's much needed movie, even Mr. Stein seems to be unaware the broader problem of the USSC's unlawful stifling of free religious speech in public schools.

From a related thread...

In 1987, The Supreme Court of the United States ruled that teaching creationism in public schools violated the separation of church and state in Edwards vs. Aquilard.
If anybody wants to see the USSC's bogus separation of church and state disappear before their eyes, a politically correct perversion of our constitutional religious freedoms that was wrongly legislated from the bench when the Court decided Cantwell v. Connecticut in 1940, then please read the following post. Note that while the post concerns a 10 Commandments issue it is also applicable to this thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1992174/posts?page=22#22
Note, for instance, that the states have the constitutional power (10th A.) to authorize public schools to lead non-mandatory (14th A.) classroom discussion on the pros and cons of evolution, creationism and irreducible complexity, as examples, regardless that atheists, separatists, secular judges and the liberal media are misleading the people to think that doing such things in public schools is unconstitutional.

The bottom line, as mentioned in the referenced post, is that the people need to reconnect with the Founder's division of federal and state powers, particularly where the wrongly ignored 10th A. power of the states to address religious issues is concerned, power now limited by the honest interpretation of the 14th Amendment. The people then need to get in the faces of renegade justices and do a major spring cleaning where USSC respect for our religious freedoms is concerned. President Lincoln put it this way.

"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." --Abraham Lincoln (Political debates between Lincoln and Douglas), 1858.

8 posted on 05/10/2008 7:05:29 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10
classroom discussion on the pros and cons of evolution, creationism and irreducible complexity, as examples, regardless that atheists, separatists, secular judges and the liberal media are misleading the people to think that doing such things in public schools is unconstitutional.

Go to my FR profile page and download the old little book Menace of Darwinism by W. Jennings Bryan. You'll find it interesting.

9 posted on 05/10/2008 9:56:38 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Ckick here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

RC Sproul/Ben Stein interview bttt


10 posted on 05/11/2008 4:04:32 AM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: Popman
“Excellent”

Sproul (1:10)
“...there was a systematic closing of any inquiry for ultimate truth. And in the way that was played off/out in the last decade or so with the closing of the academic world to any kind of inquiries to Intelligent Design has been a tremendous impact to our educational system.”

Only a small part of the academic world is looking for the ultimate truth philosophy and religion.
Take a look at the proportion of students from the US and other countries writing their dissertation in natural science at US Universities. The part of US students decrease steadily other the last years - less than half now. In how many countries do you think they teach the theory of evolution at school and in how many something like ID (e.g. Saudi Arabia).

Stein (2:10)
“It [ID] is the hypothesis that life did not originate randomly, not by random mutation and natural selection but that there is some design involved by an all powerful designer and that we didn't just originate as human beings as a lightning striking a mod puddle.”

Wikipedia on hypothesis
“In common usage in the 21st century, a hypothesis refers to a provisional idea whose merit requires evaluation. For proper evaluation, the framer of a hypothesis needs to define specifics in operational terms. A hypothesis requires more work by the researcher in order to either confirm or disprove it.”

In other words - IDist do your homework.

For “random mutation and natural selection” you need something already living.

Stein (2:50):
“... the producer brought me evidence that noted academics have been fired, lost their grants, lost their offices then hounded out of their communities for just questioning the idea that there could be anything except randomness in the universe.”

Just asking silly questions all day long is not academic work. The universe is not random. It's determined by inherent rules scientist try to understand. Both admit that later.

Stein (6:25)
“In todays world people who question the dominate orthodoxy are not even allowed to continue their work. If they want to continue their work they have to go out of (???) go to a new place to do their work there.”

So, please Dear producer of this film pay some scientist to do some research on ID.

Stein (7:00):
“... Darwin's church ...”

And so on ... to man playing ping-pong with non science.

Finally
Stein (23:50)
“And Newton said he was no more doing than explaining how God had organized the universe.”

And that is quite the opposite of what ID is about:
“God did it!” - Causa finita.

11 posted on 05/16/2008 11:38:30 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Go to my FR profile page and download the old little book Menace of Darwinism by W. Jennings Bryan. You'll find it interesting.

Don't have time for the book,but your profile page is quite interesting. Thanks for all the work. I've bookmarked it for later.

12 posted on 05/17/2008 12:56:15 PM PDT by Cincincinati Spiritus
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