Posted on 05/10/2008 7:57:42 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
You can watch it here:
R.C. Sproul interviews Ben Stein
Bump for later
What are the steps that go from
1)nothing to everything
2)non-life to life
3)randomness to fine-tuning
4)chaos to information
5)non-consciousness to consciosness
6)non-reason to reason
I am skeptical that science will ever be able to explain these.
I saw the movie and it was excellent. But this interview and the gentleman that interviewed Ben Stein was tremendous. Thanks for the link.
Yes it was an excellent interview, one of those rare interviews when the interviewer was as interesting, or even more so, then the interviewee. Loved Sproul's anecdotes about Sagan.
We admire RC Sproul tremendoubly and have about all his books, tapes, videos, etc.
He is the real deal.
He teaches at Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, Florida.....Presbyterian Church, PCA.
From a related thread...
In 1987, The Supreme Court of the United States ruled that teaching creationism in public schools violated the separation of church and state in Edwards vs. Aquilard.If anybody wants to see the USSC's bogus separation of church and state disappear before their eyes, a politically correct perversion of our constitutional religious freedoms that was wrongly legislated from the bench when the Court decided Cantwell v. Connecticut in 1940, then please read the following post. Note that while the post concerns a 10 Commandments issue it is also applicable to this thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1992174/posts?page=22#22Note, for instance, that the states have the constitutional power (10th A.) to authorize public schools to lead non-mandatory (14th A.) classroom discussion on the pros and cons of evolution, creationism and irreducible complexity, as examples, regardless that atheists, separatists, secular judges and the liberal media are misleading the people to think that doing such things in public schools is unconstitutional.
The bottom line, as mentioned in the referenced post, is that the people need to reconnect with the Founder's division of federal and state powers, particularly where the wrongly ignored 10th A. power of the states to address religious issues is concerned, power now limited by the honest interpretation of the 14th Amendment. The people then need to get in the faces of renegade justices and do a major spring cleaning where USSC respect for our religious freedoms is concerned. President Lincoln put it this way.
"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." --Abraham Lincoln (Political debates between Lincoln and Douglas), 1858.
Go to my FR profile page and download the old little book Menace of Darwinism by W. Jennings Bryan. You'll find it interesting.
RC Sproul/Ben Stein interview bttt
Sproul (1:10)
“...there was a systematic closing of any inquiry for ultimate truth. And in the way that was played off/out in the last decade or so with the closing of the academic world to any kind of inquiries to Intelligent Design has been a tremendous impact to our educational system.”
Only a small part of the academic world is looking for the ultimate truth philosophy and religion.
Take a look at the proportion of students from the US and other countries writing their dissertation in natural science at US Universities. The part of US students decrease steadily other the last years - less than half now. In how many countries do you think they teach the theory of evolution at school and in how many something like ID (e.g. Saudi Arabia).
Stein (2:10)
“It [ID] is the hypothesis that life did not originate randomly, not by random mutation and natural selection but that there is some design involved by an all powerful designer and that we didn't just originate as human beings as a lightning striking a mod puddle.”
Wikipedia on hypothesis
“In common usage in the 21st century, a hypothesis refers to a provisional idea whose merit requires evaluation. For proper evaluation, the framer of a hypothesis needs to define specifics in operational terms. A hypothesis requires more work by the researcher in order to either confirm or disprove it.”
In other words - IDist do your homework.
For “random mutation and natural selection” you need something already living.
Stein (2:50):
“... the producer brought me evidence that noted academics have been fired, lost their grants, lost their offices then hounded out of their communities for just questioning the idea that there could be anything except randomness in the universe.”
Just asking silly questions all day long is not academic work. The universe is not random. It's determined by inherent rules scientist try to understand. Both admit that later.
Stein (6:25)
“In todays world people who question the dominate orthodoxy are not even allowed to continue their work. If they want to continue their work they have to go out of (???) go to a new place to do their work there.”
So, please Dear producer of this film pay some scientist to do some research on ID.
Stein (7:00):
“... Darwin's church ...”
And so on ... to man playing ping-pong with non science.
Finally
Stein (23:50)
“And Newton said he was no more doing than explaining how God had organized the universe.”
And that is quite the opposite of what ID is about:
“God did it!” - Causa finita.
Don't have time for the book,but your profile page is quite interesting. Thanks for all the work. I've bookmarked it for later.
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